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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 22, 2022 12:35 PM |
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Poll Question:
Worst Heroes 3 misc artifacts
Yes you came to the right place, when this thread is H3C, WoG and HotA. Why I chose misc artifacts nor worst Heroes 3 artifacts? A piece of cake hasn't been enough for everyone. Ok someone can be crybaby, thus unknown artifact, no worries, friends.
*Orb of Driving Rain is a major class artifact, that is equipped in misc slot. While equipped, the orb increases the damage of all Water Magic spells by 50%. This effect does not stack with multiples of the same artifact.*
*Sphere of Permanence is a major class artifact, that is equipped in misc slot. Equipped in a misc. slot, this orb renders your units immune to Dispel.*
*Orb of Inhibition is a relic class artifact, that is equipped in miscellaneous slot. Equipped in a Misc. slot, this orb prevents all spellcasting in combat.*
*Monster's power casts Prayer on all monsters of one kind. Every week, a new random monster is selected from the hero's army and Prayer will be cast on ALL monsters of this type that every hero has during that week.*
*Gate Key upon entering a town you own, the Gate Key gives you the option to lock it for 5 days. Heroes can leave locked towns but no hero can enter except by Town Portal or Castle Gate, and the town cannot be attacked. The Gate Key will vanish when used and returns to the hero 10 days later. A town cannot be relocked by any Gate Key for 5 days after it becomes unlocked. If a player is vanquished, their locked towns will be unlocked for all players the following day.*
*Hideous Mask is a minor class artifact, that is equipped in misc slot. Decreases enemy's Morale by 1.*
*Runes of Imminency and Demon's Horseshoe are treasure class artifact, that is equipped in misc slot. Decrease enemy's Luck by 1.*
When you clearly got them lists are psychologist matter. We can think that we build artifacts are Tome of Earth, etc What you don't take misc artifact to your hero, thus useless and lesser OP.
Welcome again! Remember what you know more Heroes 3 now. 
Wait!
Where are Eagle Eye artifacts? Banned artifacts, when 99,99% winner.
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heymlich
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posted August 22, 2022 02:51 PM |
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I vote Orb of Driving Rain. For an Artifact of such a high tier it is really bad.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted August 22, 2022 05:54 PM |
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I agree with you, thus only mad Ciele can use a Water Orb?! Tomorrow I vote your club. I wonder a Water Orb doesn't affect to Efreets, but elementals! Water could be 4lvl Ice Rain and Flood. But ok.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
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posted August 22, 2022 08:04 PM |
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I actually cannot understand the magic school bias because the strength of a school doesn't depend on the spells it has, but on the spells you actually get in any game. So some of the artifacts in questions may be very strong or very weak, depending on what is actually happening. With Expert Water Magic and Magic Arrow/Ice Bolt/Frost Ring the Driving Rain Orb is actually rather good. Without it? Well, playing Dungeon or Strunghold with a Barb getting the thing really sucks.
With the Sphere of Permanence it's exactly the other way round. If you have a Water Magic hero with strong water spells but no Expert Air you don't want that. Picking it up would be bad. A Barb or Dungeon hero, however - great thing to have.
Same with Orb of Inhibition. TOTALLY depends on your hero, the expected opposition and whether it may be an advantage or not to fight without magic.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 22, 2022 08:54 PM |
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I am just going to ask a question here:
Is'nt Orb of Inhibition like completely unfair? I mean how will poor Solmyr ever defeat Crag Hack or Deemer defeat Tazar?
It's an artifact that basically says, "LOL you picked a magic hero, good luck fool".
(Recanter's Cloak and Cape of Silence are mostly okay imo, but not Orb of Inhibition.)
I believe it is mostly banned in HotA and for a good reason.
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Hourglass
Famous Hero
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posted August 22, 2022 09:14 PM |
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@JJ
I think there should have been more reasons for going towards various spell schools, but this kinda ends up not being true. The level one spells are the backbone for most schools, and those spells were made very easy to get. Mage guild alone guarantees 5 different spells. Then there are the map objects, such as shrines, spell scrolls, and heroes can trade spells with Scholar. So it ends up being very consistent to have the most powerful ones, such as Slow and Haste very early on in the game. And as far as the Orb goes, Magic Arrow does always do bonus damage regardless of the level of Magic schools you may have, so there's no added bonus for building Water magic to benefit from the Water Orb.
Orb of Inhibition is extremely good artifact, Might heroes will take care of any mage, because they will not have any advantage for the Mage in combat, the maneuvers one can pull at the battle without magic is very limited to say the least. Sure, there are times you're the mage up against a might hero, and then it's obviously extremely bad artifact. But if a single item can basically guarantee you winning certain match ups for sure, it really shouldn't be on this list.
Sphere of Permanence has pretty much one specific usage, and it's to make sure your opponent cannot remove Anti-magic. Otherwise, it's pretty poor artifact.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted August 22, 2022 10:35 PM |
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In HotA, I recommend the use of the Sphere every time you equip the Ironfist. If AI has Water it will try to dispel his effects.
I find strange the Red Orb is mentioned but not the Ring of Oblivion, that one really is the might over magic game breaker.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 22, 2022 10:41 PM |
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Hourglass said:
@JJ
I think there should have been more reasons for going towards various spell schools, but this kinda ends up not being true. The level one spells are the backbone for most schools, and those spells were made very easy to get. Mage guild alone guarantees 5 different spells. Then there are the map objects, such as shrines, spell scrolls, and heroes can trade spells with Scholar. So it ends up being very consistent to have the most powerful ones, such as Slow and Haste very early on in the game....
Nah. I've played too many maps as Stronghold not getting either Slow or Haste to accept that. And I mean, with Stronghold you just need one of those. Dearly.
It's just not happening.
And it's a big difference whether you play against the AI or against another human.
In general I think Water Magic is underrated. A lot. As is Fire Magic, by the way. That speed stuff - sure. But you must get it. And in the original game it's not a safe bet.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted August 23, 2022 11:14 AM |
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bloodsucker said:
In HotA, I recommend the use of the Sphere every time you equip the Ironfist. If AI has Water it will try to dispel his effects.
Yes! When WoG/ERA commanders get mass Fire Shield to all troops. Insane OP, but Dispel  and your Sphere  If my Offense skill and stats are large, I get more damage from Fire Shield. So you can cast Protection from Fire. Fear and surrender game. Lucky Sphere is a rare artifact.
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I remember Sphere worked well in the RoE, but no H3C. Is bug?  Black Dragon can Dispel in the RoE too, even if Magic Immune.
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 23, 2022 03:43 PM |
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Voted for the Sphere.
Orb of Driving Rain isn't great since there isn't a level 4 or 5 Water damage spell, but it's still more useful to deal more damage with Ice Bolt than to make your units immune to Dispel, I think.
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2022 03:40 PM |
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The title is H3, so enlighten me I played AB SOD and H3, why I do not recall gates key, hideous mask and minus 1 luck Artifact?
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted August 25, 2022 05:36 PM |
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Gate Keys are from WoG.
Hideous Mask and negative luck artifacts are from HotA.
(For some reason Ghost decided to mix them all together.)
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2022 06:03 PM |
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I can search google but from a players POV can you tell me in a nutshell what is WoG or Hota? Are they H3 extensions, remake or just different interfaces?
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Pol
Known Hero
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posted August 25, 2022 06:37 PM |
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@thecastrated
These are fan mods for Heroes 3 Complete game. WoG (In the Wake of the Gods, featuring ERM scripting language by Slava Salnikov, latest version 3.58f or 3.59-russian only) in international version is usually considered to be ERAIII. So, seek for ERA on this forum.
HotA (Horn of the Abyss) - is another mod, aimed at multiplayer and simple control. Also seek this forum.
Both mods have threads here, with full description and download.
Both of them have incorporated HD mod, so you can play it at any resolution. Supporting several drawing filters.
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2022 07:53 PM |
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Ah so basically the same game just modifications? HOTA sounds interesting how many people play them is there tourneys and meeting zone like the old MSN?
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Hourglass
Famous Hero
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posted August 26, 2022 09:56 PM |
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thecastrated said:
Ah so basically the same game just modifications? HOTA sounds interesting how many people play them is there tourneys and meeting zone like the old MSN?
Yes, Hota is a mod, but you may hear people calling it the unofficial expansion, as there's so much stuff going on. Most noticeably it adds a fully playable town, and we're expecting to get another one in the foreseeable future.
If you're asking how popular Hota is, it's pretty hard to say, but to get some idea, a poll was made at Reddit earlier this year asking how the Homm3 community is playing their games. According to it, more people were playing Hota than the regular game + other mods combined. So Hota is pretty popular, yes. If you meant how many people are playing Hota multiplayer, I can tell that during prime times, the lobby hosts over 2000+ players, so you can most definitely find someone to play with. There are obviously user made tournaments, and I would say the best place to meet and chat is in the multiplayer lobby itself.
Hota main thread and download link
Download for HD-mod (required to access the multiplayer lobby)
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted August 26, 2022 11:50 PM |
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Ah then does HOTA have standard tourneys and ranking system like the old Simyar or Vesuvius? If theres no such ranking I once played with crap people who dropped out of games in week two or cheaters, others anyhow accusing others of hit and run, wasting my time totally
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted August 27, 2022 06:21 AM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 06:23, 27 Aug 2022.
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Yeah water could use another damage spell, like a weak armageddon in "Flood" maybe, or perhaps an inferno-like "Thunderstorm". After all, biblical ark and all that...
Orb of Driving Rain + Ice Bolt / Frost ring is *still* weaker than just using base Implosion or Chain Lightning.
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted August 27, 2022 08:39 AM |
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Conflicts with storm elementals
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heymlich
Famous Hero
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posted August 27, 2022 01:44 PM |
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Hourglass said:
According to it, more people were playing Hota than the regular game + other mods combined. So Hota is pretty popular, yes.
But HoMM3 primarily is a single player game that originates from a time before the internet became a thing. I believe, most HoMM3 players don't read the forum, don't ever visit reddit and don't even know HotA exists.
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