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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Are you shocked with Factory campaign difficulty?
Thread: Are you shocked with Factory campaign difficulty?
AlexSpl
AlexSpl


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Supreme Hero
posted January 22, 2024 08:38 PM

Poll Question:
Are you shocked with Factory campaign difficulty?

As you know the new HotA campaign delivers the difficulty comparable with one of some famous custom maps like Paragon, Unleashing the Bloodthisty, etc. and introduces the underground world of tricks and tips of pro players. I'm very satisfied with the campaign and the way how it teaches common players to play more thoughtfully. What do you think about it? How it's different from the most difficult campaigns you've won before and proud of that fact?

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Yes
No
It's 39th month but I'm pretty sure I'm winning
I'm a pro, bro, u know?
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Ghost
Ghost


Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
posted January 22, 2024 08:56 PM

No.. I'm waiting for very high-levelled map.. You know they nerfed Logistics, so Cove campaigns too.. But very different players.. Think about I got to jump chess club level, when noob team, I can't win in first place.. Summer holiday, lesser chess players, so mixed strong and noob team.. I played well.. I got strong team.. But I can't win in first place to master team, and summer holiday again, they recommend me to play, because I get score from master players, even if different game style.. I went to drug and heroes way.. I stopped chess club.. But I visited chess club, I got in first place in noob team.. Fun! I visited, when I bought chess items.. Other! I've 3 gold medals, 1 silver, 3 bronze.. How? My chess style fits stronger player with..
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AlexSpl
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posted January 22, 2024 09:15 PM
Edited by AlexSpl at 21:20, 22 Jan 2024.

Heroes is basically chess with a more complex set of rules. So it attracts chess enthusiasts. And, in the same time, it attracts even girls for it was written for a girl How do I know? I taught at least two of them how to play Heroes

What I'm trying to say? There are different playstyles which fit for just everyone. Heroes is a game winnable by default. You just have to achieve a point when your creatures growth will overwhelm that of your enemies. That's why it's loved probably. But there is no challenge in it. After some practice you will be winning almost any map with the power of skipping turns.

But... Is that your way?

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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted January 22, 2024 09:25 PM

But I don't played Campaigns yet.. Hmm my dead* friend beat me.. But never beat me, when another friend is along, we played hotseat..

*9.12.23 So he's noob, and played MWM (RoE).. So developed much better than another friend.. I'm OP, because I playing expansion, etc And they stayed in RoE due to another friend wanted be RoE.. He plays H3 RoE HD yet..
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AlexSpl
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posted January 22, 2024 09:33 PM

Ghost, the new campaing is a nightmare, I tell you. It's not just my opinion, it seems everyone agree with me. Still, as I see from YouTube videos, some people prefers to skip turns as far as into the 39th month playing the 3rd scenario. Even those who are trying to teach others how to play show very poor results (4+ months). So, I consider, that the new campaign is very hard for the so-called pros Try it and see for yourself.

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bloodsucker
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posted January 22, 2024 09:42 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 21:44, 22 Jan 2024.

AlexSpl said:
Is that your way?
Nah! My way is to edit the scenarios to play in god's mode. So, the first stream I saw was so difficult I've quit even try it.
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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


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posted January 22, 2024 09:44 PM

My way is Tankred (hope I spelled his name right) at 117

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Ghost
Ghost


Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
posted January 22, 2024 09:49 PM

@Alex

Crazy! Pity us.. They planned and arranged our map is easier.. Ok don't worry! Fun.. I'm very tired due to two sleeping pill.. But you get other conversation partner..
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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


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posted January 22, 2024 09:52 PM

Well, the campaign seems pretty hard for me (with just average achievements in tournaments). The HotA team now works on lightening the burden for those who are far from the tournament scene.

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AlexSpl
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posted January 22, 2024 10:00 PM
Edited by AlexSpl at 22:03, 22 Jan 2024.

Just show you the army which is sufficient to eliminate every single neutral block all the way down to Tankred



While the second part of the army gets resources in the center.

Without losses (which is important)

Basically, my 1 week is worth 1 month of guys from YouTube

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted January 23, 2024 12:51 PM

Looking at that pic made me realize I hate one thing about Factory. Heroes are mostly ugly guys and the few girls look like tomboys, I'm certainly not building a squad of heroes from that town. Why doesn't Dury look like Neela? Mmm.
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NimoStar
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posted January 23, 2024 05:51 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 17:53, 23 Jan 2024.

Pro playing is overrated, its all tricks and playing in the most grinding, mechanic way possible

This at least normally has the multiplayer aspect of reacting to the opponent, thus having a sigle degree of variation

In single player this variation is not present, its all dull and joyless

Challenges should be to intelligence and creativity, not to error tolerance in repetition
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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted January 23, 2024 06:14 PM

NimoStar said:
Pro playing is overrated, its all tricks and playing in the most grinding, mechanic way possible

This at least normally has the multiplayer aspect of reacting to the opponent, thus having a sigle degree of variation

In single player this variation is not present, its all dull and joyless

Challenges should be to intelligence and creativity, not to error tolerance in repetition


Now I make the Dead Ornament (HotA) map.. Your random Necropolis or Factory.. If you can't fight against Centaurs, so you go to Black Two Way Monolith, and you meet Faerie Dragons.. OP AIs haven't a problem.. Ok Giant+U, 4 players/AIs..

Description: Evil rules control the whole realm. Can you topple the evil realm and rules? You can do because evil isn't present, when you destroy his imaginativeness, and he can't step on the land. Why? His fear factor is over!





Map isn't ready, but you can follow in VW or maps4heroes.. Thanks!!
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Doomforge
Doomforge


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Retired Hero
posted January 23, 2024 11:37 PM

There are custom maps that are much harder, so kinda whatever
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Ghost
Ghost


Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
posted January 24, 2024 03:07 PM

Once I made a map, I can't beat the map in first month.. I threw to trash.. No AI bonuses, only Diplomacy.. And my/your territory is snow that strong monsters are guarded and block the way.. AI didn't build town for troops but only joined neutrals and came to meet me/you.. Human player style and level, when I/you go to adventure, I/you don't wait for my/your troops.. Map was full monsters as paradise.. But I don't play if cheats aka tricks.. An example 3DO H4 tournament map showed legion of Leprechauns, so only Stealth also Slow plus Poison by Academy, etc I stopped it.. A few hours ago, I think to make easier the Dead Ornament, so lesser Centaurs and Faerie Dragons.. I don't know yet.. When you see Centaurs, it after Strom Elementals, etc up to +8lvl are too much.. It takes our time.. And AIs become legion or thousands.. Its from my RoE map, when I've seen ghost on the map.. I improved in HotA.. aka Giant, +8lvl creatures also HotA.. Ok I also want to see is the ghost yet? If bug or other 3DO animation.. No only the Dead Ornament but also objects from WoG.. It works in HotA well..
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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted January 24, 2024 09:06 PM
Edited by Ghost at 17:05, 26 Jan 2024.

Info!

AIs beat the Centaurs in the 3 months.. It effects AIs get larger troops and also more Primary Skills, but I must to draw a map, when only water.. No bug allowed, etc Now's ok in first territory.. What I followed AIs..

EDIT

AI improved in 1m 4w 6d to beat the Centaurs.. Maybe AI got excellent artifacts, thus Primary Skills, but spells and skills too..
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