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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted August 09, 2024 12:59 PM |
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Poll Question:
Peasant (HoMM3)
A funny creature, we found a few strategy. Do you know what kind? Ok we know H3 song/puzzle something: "To know a peasant is to dread knowing a peasant. It seems the only hero eager to fight a peasant or have a peasant in their army ranks is the Necromancer." So you get a Skeletons, esp. in Viking We Shall Go! ..Maybe only Viking We Shall Go!, I can't remember all the maps and campaigns.. Another what? You need a speed and health artifacts.. An/the idea isn't a new thing.. But used rarely, and often in H4.. Thus Peasant vs Peasant.. So stronger than some creatures.. When in H4 or HoMM3 WoG/ERA you can get a damage bonus.. But we are talking about speed and health artifacts.. Third what? You vs opponent with splitted Peasants, for example, you can't attack his/her Archangels, etc You know Peasant strikes you, and then Archangels strike you.. Depends on strategy.. When Chain Lightning, Armageddon or Death Ripple.. The same matter only splitted Peasants.. And you can talk freely then..
Peasants vs level 7 creatures
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purerogue3
Known Hero
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posted August 09, 2024 06:09 PM |
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Anything sufficiently cheap or numerous can be useful.
Would you refuse 200 peasants/week at $5? (Obviously overpriced at 10.)
Clearly peasants are larger than sprites or imps - how can you get more skeleton than their ingriedient by 6-1?
Ban them from the transformer, but you can still harvest them by fighting.
And peasants are moody, they should make 0-1 dmg.
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baronus
Legendary Hero
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posted August 09, 2024 07:12 PM |
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Failed unit from 1 to 3 part. Its nonsensible to give all worstes stats. something should be good. Eg. growth. 100 peasants a week make a lot of sense and little faster eg 6 instead 3. And we have playable unit!
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Hourglass
Supreme Hero
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posted August 09, 2024 08:04 PM |
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Technicially, I'm not sure if peasants truly are the worst creatures in the game.
I tend to use skeleton transformer for Walking dead to increase my skeleton stack, or if low on gold, they usually just not get hired at all. And if their sole purpose more or less lies upon becoming a skeleton, well, then their faith isn't any better than what's coming for peasants. Regarless of the situation, it's the necro player who has any intrest towards the two creatures. And since you can get a lot more peasants that don't cost at all than walking dead with an actual price tag, I would argue the peasants are only the second worst creature in the game.
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted August 09, 2024 08:15 PM |
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Converting zombies to skeletons, is imo a bit foolish, since zombies have 20 HP, skeletons only have 6. Peasants only have 1, so I guess that makes zombies 20 times better than peasants!
Also peasants have speed 3, zombies have speed 4, so zombies are slow, but peasants are even slower...
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted August 09, 2024 09:14 PM |
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Heh do you remember RoE song/puzzle? When campaign said peasants believe in Angels.. And then Seer's Hut or something, I haven't played RoE in a long time, but in there Prayer. So Expert Prayer gives +4 speed, Peasants didn't expect the speed artifact, so +5 speed, but nerfed in expansion.. Ok Phoenix4ever knows much better is Loynis.. But Peasants are in AB.. They "arrived" to HoMM country..
Yes Peasants are sucking, but we can find to tune a Turbo Peasant just fun, esp. in a mapeditor.. Only Peasant waits for Skeleton transformer..
I have nothing else to say.
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Hourglass
Supreme Hero
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posted August 09, 2024 09:17 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Converting zombies to skeletons, is imo a bit foolish, since zombies have 20 HP, skeletons only have 6. Peasants only have 1, so I guess that makes zombies 20 times better than peasants!
Also peasants have speed 3, zombies have speed 4, so zombies are slow, but peasants are even slower...
I was especially talking about the Walking dead which, btw, is probably my least liked creature name in the game, since the Zombie is entirely different unit, but everyone wants to call the pre-evolution Zombies, me included.
However, perhaps I didn't make the rest of my point crystal clear: normal Walking dead growth is 8, whereas normal Peasant growth is (*checks the wiki*) 25. And since we're only after the skeleton growth, that makes the peasants slighty over three times better choice comparing to Walking dead. Peasant's technicially have a cost, but normally you just get them free from the dwelling. The walking dead on the other hand have a cost.
Sure, the Walking Dead upgrade into Zombies. However, I'm not sure if the upgrade is really ever worth it. You have plenty of other objectives during the first week, and on the second week they feel even less impacful, especially if you didn't build towards Citadel/Castle. Building the upgraded graveyard is just -1 for the building tempo.
And, after all, they can just be put into the transformer. Sure, they cost more than skeleton, but then they actually get to be part of something useful. Bigger the skeleton stack, the more they deal damage, and the less there are enemies that would strike back. Skeletons, and basically the entire necro early game is all about the critical skeleton mass - bring too few of them for certain fight, and suddenly you're doing way worse than you would if you could somehow have a dozen more of them.
Basically, the Walking dead kinda needed +1 speed to have proper place in the line-up. Now they're too slow to begin with, and cannot properly take retalitions away for the skeletons to land a safe blow. And due all undeads having the -1 morale perk, only a necro player is truly ever willing to use them as part of their army anyway.
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purerogue3
Known Hero
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posted August 09, 2024 09:27 PM |
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Here's a stupid, unrelated idea.
Use the transformer as an un-upgrader.
Set external level 7 dwellings to produce the upgraded beasts since we know wild is better, and towns can only produce the base creature.
Thus, you have two options, discover a hillfort or conquer a necro town to merge your lvl 7s.
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted August 09, 2024 09:41 PM |
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@Hourglass Nice reasoning as always, I am not really gonna argue with you.
I made all speed 3 units, speed 4, as I find speed 3 units unfairly (is that a word?) slow.
I also set minimum adventure movement speed to 5.
Honestly in default game, all speed 3 and 4 units should just be left at home/alone, they are too slow both in battle and on the map.
But yeah to sum it up, the ONLY purpose of peasants, is to get the honor of becoming skeletons. 
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purerogue3
Known Hero
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posted August 10, 2024 05:09 AM |
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An alternative destination for peasants:
Replace griffins (avian flu) with peasant->pikeman conversion.
Now you can peasant->pikeman->halberdier .
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heymlich
Famous Hero
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posted August 11, 2024 08:06 AM |
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baronus said:
Failed unit from 1 to 3 part. Its nonsensible to give all worstes stats. something should be good. Eg. growth. 100 peasants a week make a lot of sense and little faster eg 6 instead 3. And we have playable unit!
If you make peasants better, goblins will be worst. So, you make goblins better, too. Then some other unit will be worst, you need to improve that one, too. It will end like the majority of sequels and mods: an overall increase of stats and additional instances of everything.
I think, peasants are fine as they are. A useless piece of crap that doesn't pretend to be anything else. 
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Barbuta
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 02, 2024 11:20 PM |
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Here is proof that peasants are not useless and
200 peasants can beat 2 red dragons with a level 1 hero, no spells, 0 attack, 0 defense and just basic tactics!
video
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heymlich
Famous Hero
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posted September 03, 2024 12:09 AM |
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yes yes. So, how many peasants are needed to beat 2 hydras. Can't be that many, after all, hydras are the worst lvl 7 unit. Right?
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gatecrasher
Famous Hero
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posted September 03, 2024 12:17 PM |
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Peasants look like 50% on the way to zombies. Maybe the name should rather be pestilence-stricken Peasant. Would also explain their abysmally low health/speed.
Deliver them from their agony in the Skelly transformer.
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heymlich
Famous Hero
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posted September 03, 2024 04:52 PM |
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killing them is helping them 
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Hourglass
Supreme Hero
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posted September 03, 2024 04:58 PM |
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Barbuta said:
Here is proof that peasants are not useless and
200 peasants can beat 2 red dragons with a level 1 hero, no spells, 0 attack, 0 defense and just basic tactics!
video
I mean, yes, they can practicially move, attack and deal damage. The sad truth here than acquiring 200 peasants is already asking kinda much, that's 8 times the weekly growth of one dwelling and no losses. And since this is exactly 2 dragons, that amount isn't enough to defeat red dragon dwelling, consisting of 3 dragons.
The value of the Peasant within in-game context is more or less useless, but they do wonders at spreading game related media among the fans with nearly 25 years after being introduced to the game.
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Barbuta
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 03, 2024 09:03 PM |
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Edited by Barbuta at 21:06, 03 Sep 2024.
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Hourglass said:
Barbuta said:
Here is proof that peasants are not useless and
200 peasants can beat 2 red dragons with a level 1 hero, no spells, 0 attack, 0 defense and just basic tactics!
video
I mean, yes, they can practicially move, attack and deal damage. The sad truth here than acquiring 200 peasants is already asking kinda much, that's 8 times the weekly growth of one dwelling and no losses. And since this is exactly 2 dragons, that amount isn't enough to defeat red dragon dwelling, consisting of 3 dragons.
The value of the Peasant within in-game context is more or less useless, but they do wonders at spreading game related media among the fans with nearly 25 years after being introduced to the game.
Yes I know, I am not disagreeing with you. I just wanted to share a cool thing you can do with them . And if your hero had higher stats you can probably take on the dwelling with 3 red dragons in it. Of course the idea for the video is based on the fact that Shakti day 1 can take on a red dragon dwelling with only a lot of troglodytes and his tactics. And I just made it a more extreme case
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LordCameron
Known Hero
Veteran of the Succession Wars
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posted September 04, 2024 03:44 AM |
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In the final Craig Hack solo mission the peasants come in pretty handy. That's the only time I've found that to be true.
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PatrickAce
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 18, 2024 10:04 AM |
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for Town defense maybe it can be use it in the begginning of the game but other times is totally worthless
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