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JollyJoker
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posted December 24, 2022 12:12 PM

Drakon-Deus said:
JollyJoker said:
Drakon-Deus said:

I love Christ.


Shouldn't you love thy neighbor then, not hate them?


God is angry with the wicked every day. And they are not "my neighbour". Are Democrats my neighbours?

And Christ himself said that who denies the Son shall not see life.
Everyone is thy neighbor. And whether God is angry with the wicked or not doesn't matter, because it doesn't change Christ's commandment. Nor does it mean just because God does something you should or can do it as well.
And that Christ said who denies the Son shall not see life have, only means that YOU shall not see life, because by hating thy neighbors you deny Him.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 24, 2022 04:53 PM

Let's get something straight, shall we? By loving my enemies certainly I do not love them in a brotherly way or tolerate their actions, but I love them by praying and hoping they turn from their ways.

And there will be plenty of so called Christians who will be turned away by the Master, that is true.

Finally, it's my opinion that I can hate whomever I want, just like you hate groups such as Trump and his cohorts.

I am not saying and I will never claim that I "love everyone" or that God does since that would be a lie. At least I am being honest with myself, and with you.
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posted December 24, 2022 09:36 PM

Christiana love is another than people thinking. Its when you want for someone really good. Not fun · pleasure · delectation · enjoyment...
Example. For Russians  fun · pleasure · delectation · enjoyment is now big empire builded on murders massaceress genocids.
But its very bad and they will go to hell in the case they will realise it.
So I wish them a big military catastrophe. Big casualties. A lot of KIA MIA WIA. Its good for them. Because they will get a chance to wake up and change their patological mind. Its not fun · pleasure · delectation · enjoyment but really good.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 25, 2022 08:35 AM

I love Romania but I hate its government.
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baronus
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posted December 25, 2022 11:49 AM

Yes if you love your country you dont need love your state! It may be completly awfull organisations. Good Russians hate russian state!

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JollyJoker
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posted December 25, 2022 07:49 PM

Drakon-Deus said:
Let's get something straight, shall we? By loving my enemies certainly I do not love them in a brotherly way or tolerate their actions, but I love them by praying and hoping they turn from their ways.

And there will be plenty of so called Christians who will be turned away by the Master, that is true.

Finally, it's my opinion that I can hate whomever I want, just like you hate groups such as Trump and his cohorts.

I am not saying and I will never claim that I "love everyone" or that God does since that would be a lie. At least I am being honest with myself, and with you.

Christ loves everyone - that's official. It's just that He can't help it when someone doesn't love him.
I don't "hate" Trump and his cohorts. I hate what an illness can do to a loved person. I'd certainly hate someone who'd seriously hurt or even kill someone I love.
Besides, I'm not a Christian. I just find it strange how many "Christians" come over as hateful when they shouldn't be. You know, CLAIMING you are this or that is one thing. But deeds speak louder than words - in the end it matters what you DO and how you behave, not what you say.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 25, 2022 09:17 PM

@JJ Perhaps hate is too strong a word. Dislike would be more accurate to describe how I feel about Democrats, AC/DC, etc.
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posted December 25, 2022 09:26 PM

Thank you for your willingness to reconsider. *bows*

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yogi
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posted December 27, 2022 07:39 PM

Drakon-Deus said:

I love Tim Burton films.

I hate Christopher Nolan films.

hates a strong word but yeah burton batman > nolan

Drakon-Deus said:

I love Republicans.

I hate Democrats.

just another rigged sport

Drakon-Deus said:

I love faith.

I hate atheism.

takes a lot of faith to be atheist

Drakon-Deus said:

I love freedom.

I hate sheeple.

gotta crawl before you can run

Drakon-Deus said:

I hate greed.

hate is greed

cool post
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 28, 2022 06:36 AM

Thanks yogi bear.
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artu
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posted December 28, 2022 11:17 AM

yogi said:
takes a lot of faith to be atheist

That is a very common misconception by people who can only conceptualize such positions within the terminology of religions. Atheism is simply the position of not believing in any god or gods, simply because there is no plausible reason to. The atheist position regarding the claim of gods existing, is no different than your position to the claim of Zeus, gremlins, Ra, dragons, fairies, Thor etc. With today's knowledge, with all the historical data anthropology provides on how, why and when people started to believe in gods, an eventually the god, the atheist position is merely the most rational one. To conclude that it is extremely more probable that humans created gods, is only the simplest explanation there is about gods and not faith at all. If you are to suggest that not believing in something is also a belief (when there is absolutely no plausible reason to), then you also have faith in an infinite amount of suggestions not being true, you have faith that a purple elephant is NOT sleeping in the next room right now.
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posted December 28, 2022 12:40 PM
Edited by Drakon-Deus at 12:58, 28 Dec 2022.

Artu, I try to look at it differently. Let forget pagan religions, Islam, Christianity and Judaism for a minute. Let's say there is a wholly different creator being that may be described as God. If you say there is no God absolutely, I think Yogi means it takes a lot of faith for that. But I don't agree.

Btw, I only dislike atheism because as an ideology it feels hopeless to me. You're a mortal being who exists for a very very short time compared to the world, and then you cease to exist forever, after suffering. No more "you", no more feeling, no more seeing loved ones again, ever.

It may be the most rational, can't argue about that.
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Ghost
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posted December 28, 2022 01:04 PM

500-700M atheists in the world.. Thanks for religious liberty! Ancient religion was another life in space.. They are ancestor.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts Later on YHWH in India.. People don't believe, because the Bible is the world's oldest script.. YHWH in India? Ancestor from the space too.. Atheists don't believe in soul, spirit, etc And ancestors are blood and meat.. Who believed them? Hawking, etc Then you should know theism, atheism and deism.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 28, 2022 01:05 PM

And by the way, saying that life is only precious because it ends, to me sounds exactly like saying "marriage is only precious because there is a divorce".
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posted December 28, 2022 01:09 PM


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artu
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posted December 28, 2022 01:21 PM
Edited by artu at 13:33, 28 Dec 2022.

Drakon-Deus said:
Artu, I try to look at it differently. Let forget pagan religions, Islam, Christianity and Judaism for a minute. Let's say there is a wholly different creator being that may be described as God. If you say there is no God absolutely, I think Yogi means it takes a lot of faith for that. But I don't agree.

Btw, I only dislike atheism because as an ideology it feels hopeless to me. You're a mortal being who exists for a very very short time compared to the world, and then you cease to exist forever, after suffering. No more "you", no more feeling, no more seeing loved ones again, ever.

It may be the most rational, can't argue about that.

But you dont exactly say "I absolutely know that there is no God" which would be about whether you are gnostic or agnostic anyway. Atheism is about whether you believe in it or not.

Gnostic theist: There is a God and we can know that.

Agnostic theist: We can never know but I believe there is a God out there.

Gnostic atheist: We can know for certain there are no gods, hence I dont believe them.

Agnostic atheist: We cant know for sure but I dont believe in gods.

The agnosticism is usually a technicality, since the probability of a God, especially like the ones in traditional religions who will take you in their heaven after you die and so on, is astronomically small. And the anthropological explanation is much better. But it is not an ideology. Yes, it is not easy to face your own mortality all the time or the mortality of loved ones, especially right after you lose them. But wishful thinking doesnt change facts and at a certain level of maturity, to believe in an after-life turns into something like believing in Santa. You couldnt even if you wanted to. Especially if you're not indoctrinated into believing in such myths as a child. So an agnostic atheist, who are the extreme majority of atheists, would usually say something like "yes, we cant be absolutely sure, in the sense that we cant be sure we arent in the Matrix or dragons dont exist in some distant galaxy but I dont believe in such things since they dont seem plausible."

Drakon-Deus said:
And by the way, saying that life is only precious because it ends, to me sounds exactly like saying "marriage is only precious because there is a divorce".

Well, I would have liked to live for hundreds of thousands of years or even millions maybe. Life is annoyingly short, no argument there, wait till you pass 40. But actual infinity is something way beyond our imagination, it is incomprehesibly vast and at some point, everything would be pointless and you'd just go mad.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 28, 2022 01:23 PM

Yes, I think you're right. Thanks for clarifying.

I would then describe myself as agnostic theist.

Also, what do you think about deism or pantheism? Not talking about death anymore now, just about god(s).
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posted December 28, 2022 01:31 PM

Deism made sense back when people were mature enough to realize religions were cultural, yet they had this Newtonian cosmology with perfect orbits and a stable universe, so they saw God in mathemathical accuracy. That's why so many intellectuals from the 18th century were deists.

Pantheism seems just like a semantic word play to me, instead of nature, you just say God, but there is practically no difference since such a god has no personality.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 28, 2022 01:35 PM

But would you say deism is more plausible than traditional theism ? Just curious.

And I agree with you on pantheism. Though some insist it's different, it's still very much like theism.

For a while I looked into Buddhism which is, from what I understood, a godless religion.
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posted December 28, 2022 01:46 PM

Buddhism has many sects, variants. Some are theistic, some are not. God is not at the core of it, you can say that.

Deism is more plausible compared to traditional religions which are obviosly myths and tales of our ancestors but I dont think it's plausible enough still. It's a pass over, the explanation requires more explanation than what it allegedly solves.
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