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Njuul
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posted May 21, 2002 01:24 PM |
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Life/death
I would but ask a simple question:
In "our" community I would think there were a general facination for the honour and noblenesscode of Fantasy.
My question is therefor: What do YOU think it is worth dying/sacrificing your life for?
Do one and all have a duty? Are one honourbound to fullfill the codex of ones own Fantasy (like middlearth and so on) facination?
Just a question, and I would be thankfull for any replie.
Humble greetings
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morcoz
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posted May 21, 2002 08:00 PM |
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What a stupid thread!
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matthy
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posted May 21, 2002 08:25 PM |
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i would die for anything and everything...
as long as my death will not be painful. afterlife is much better, either it be in hell or heaven... did you know palestinian terrorist suiciders believe they will get to heaven if they blow themselves up. and they will get 72 virgin worshipers too! 
'A man goes to Hell and looks very sad. The Devil comes up to him and asks whats wrong. The man says 'im in hell and i heard hell is a horrible place...' The Devil laughs and asks 'do you like to smoke?' 'yeah' says the man. 'Ok, youre gonna love mondays! we smoke weed all day long!' The man is a bit happier. The Devil asks 'do you like to drink?' The man says 'yep!' The devil says 'well, on tuesdays we drink bloody mary, irish car bombs and beer all day long!' The man looks even more happy. The devil asks 'do you like to gamble?' The man says 'yes!' The devil said 'well...on wednesdays we play roulette, blackjack and poker all day long...' the man has a shiny smile on his face. The Devil asks 'are you gay?' The man says 'ofcourse not...' The devil answers 'oh...ok. THen youre gonna hate thursdays...'
hope you laughed. if you didnt youre either gay, pessimist or stupid.
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Njuul
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posted May 21, 2002 10:14 PM |
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Edited By: Njuul on 21 May 2002
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I laughed!!!
and morcoz.... thanks for enlighting me.
humble greetings
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morcoz
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posted May 21, 2002 10:27 PM |
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Greetings back Njuul!! 
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DonGio
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posted May 24, 2002 11:34 AM |
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Quote:
I would but ask a simple question:
In "our" community I would think there were a general facination for the honour and noblenesscode of Fantasy.
My question is therefor: What do YOU think it is worth dying/sacrificing your life for?
Do one and all have a duty? Are one honourbound to fullfill the codex of ones own Fantasy (like middlearth and so on) facination?
Just a question, and I would be thankfull for any replie.
Humble greetings
grammars, grammars, grammars... (and some help in getting this excellent thread going )
I would think there was a general fascination...
one general fascination
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OK, back on-topic:
Well, you (Njuul) might already be familiar with my views on this topic, but I'll share them with others.
When considering this highly flammable issue (now, now, don't get carried away, young padawan), I like to use an altered version of what some say was the temple knights motto: "When swinging your sword, think not of whose life you take, but whose life you spare."
So I would say that it can be worth sacrificing your life to save others. But I guess that's sort of a vague and evasive answer.
Truth be told, I do not know for sure what I would give my life for. It is one thing to say "I'll die for this", and quite another to actually die for that.
Now, come on, the rest of ya! I know there are many thinking minds here, with something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion like this.
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Shadow_Phoenix
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posted May 25, 2002 04:14 PM |
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I would like to give my life for someone that I love, I just hope that I have the courage if the opurtunity arrise.
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PhoebeDuViels
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posted May 26, 2002 12:25 PM |
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I would die for something that worth for. And also make sure...I'll enter the heaven after..
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Wesley
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posted May 26, 2002 01:45 PM |
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Heaven is a fairytail...
You will NOT notice because if you die you will vanish into nothing..
Bye bye!
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Dajek
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posted May 26, 2002 06:51 PM |
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I would die for... I don`t know. Some day we will maybe know?
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Kynes
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posted May 27, 2002 05:47 AM |
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Well, first I'd like to mention that whether one's willing to die for something (anything) or not, depends solely on if that person believes in afterlife of some sort. If you don't think you'll exist after your death, there's no point in dying for anything at all.
Now someone shouts: "But what if you'll be making someone else happy, or make something that future generations will prosper on?" Doesn't matter. Everyone's living but for himself and you can't enjoy of anything you've died for, 'cause there's no you at all. Nothing at all. Life is everything we've got - can't get over it.
If however you think you'll proceed to another level of existence, it's all different - there's still something, and what a person would die for depends on what that other existence is - is it linked to this realm somehow or what. If, for example, there'd be heaven, you'd probably die for some noble cause, hoping to get there.
For me there's nothing to die for. Although I don't decline the possibility of heaven or any other stage of being, I can't be sure, and I like living quite a bit. If we get a bit more philosophical however, it doesn't matter at all. There'd be no 'me' to care about the people I left behind, to grieve 'my lost life' or anything else. It just wouldn't matter.
Anyway, just in case, I still intend to keep my life as long as I can
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Sir_Elric
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posted May 27, 2002 11:35 AM |
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Defending my soon to be bride for one!
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Njuul
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posted May 27, 2002 02:26 PM |
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Dear Kynes.
You claim that without the prospect of a post-death existence there is nothing worth dying for..
You also say that it is only you that matter in the end, your own existence supercedes every other.
All this if there is no God.
I must ask: Does it not then count what life you live at all? I find it hard to belive that one can live without seeing things in a grander perspective than that of only self-survival...
I think it is worth dying for youre principles, for your freedom. Life is but a passing experience anyway, and has little worth if you live on accord with your own beliefs.. This should count if you are religious or not.
Humble greetings
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Kynes
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posted May 27, 2002 11:06 PM |
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Njuul, now that I think of it, the only thing worth dying would be ending one's own suffering, if one thinks there is nothing good in life, only misery. Or at least if the person thinks the good things in life don't make it worth living.
Yes I believe that for every individual their own existence supercedes (should supercede) everyone else's. There's no point in living for someone else - everyone's life is their own. This may sound pretty egoistic, but if you look under my avatar, you see I'm altruistic egoist: I believe helping other people will help me in the end.
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I must ask: Does it not then count what life you live at all? I find it hard to belive that one can live without seeing things in a grander perspective than that of only self-survival...
Well, during your life, everything you do has some kind of effect and that's why most people try to live reasonably. After death, however, it doesn't matter anymore how you lived. It's all over then, if no afterlife exists. Therefore seeing things in that 'small' perspective of self-survival is priority. Larger scales can be considered when survival is obvious.
Dying for your freedom is reasonable if you think life isn't worth living imprisoned and/or you can expect to have a chance to survive fighting for the freedom. Dying for your principles I don't approve of though, except if you (again) don't consider life worth living without them. What good are your principles if there's no you to live up to them?
This I don't quite understand:
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Life is but a passing experience anyway, and has little worth if you live on accord with your own beliefs.. This should count if you are religious or not.
Life isn't but a passing experience if there is nothing after that, at least for an individual. I think it's a religios matter whether there's afterlife or not, and that's why I can't really agree (or did I just completely miss your point?).
Thanks for commenting
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Njuul
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posted May 27, 2002 11:25 PM |
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Interesting...
What I mean is that if you live according to your beliefs, you will fine purpose in your earthtly existence aside from just staying alive. You say you belive that beeing good to others eventually reflects on you. A golden principle to be sure, and true, but my question is then:
If the only reason to end ones live, "the thing worth dying for", is your own suffering... is then only your personal pyscical condition what matters? Can others suffering bring pain to you in such a degree that redeeming their pain, or trying to, is infact worth dying for? Is the petty condition of existense we call "life" worth anything if we donīt fight for our principles and justice? I say it is not. From my christian perspective this is obvious, but also if you enter the realms of pilosofers such as Jean Paul Sartre, and to a certain degree Søren Kierkegaard you will find arguments for life beyond just living. The choise and all that..
Thanks
Humble greetings
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Kynes
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posted May 27, 2002 11:50 PM |
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Well, of course every human has purposes in life. In fact people make themselves purposes and then enjoy fulfilling them. So, every human seeks something out of life - not like they would just enjoy living without anything else to it. Surviving is priority because if you don't, then there's nothing else (when afterlife isn't considered). All those principles and that justice are in that life.
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Can others suffering bring pain to you in such a degree that redeeming their pain, or trying to, is infact worth dying for? Is the petty condition of existense we call "life" worth anything if we donīt fight for our principles and justice?
These are for every human being to decide for themselves. You think the way you do, but people are different.
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Njuul
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posted May 28, 2002 12:06 AM |
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But on account of your principles, for Gods sake!, life CAN NOT be the ultimate goal.
Even if uppholding morale standards and justice, as you see it, does not give you any reward in afterlife, it is my humble meaning that the reward you gain in this world for doing so is immensly superior to ones life. You need to justify your existence....
This was mabe somewhat unclear and badly written,but itīs late and I have an exam tomorrow.. I respect your oppinions, I see that they are well thought through...but I cannot agree.
Humble greetings
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Hexa
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posted May 28, 2002 12:31 AM |
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Check out This Thread!@
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Kynes
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posted May 28, 2002 12:34 AM |
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I understand that you strongly believe in some sort of afterlife-existence, and I don't so totally disagree - all I'm saying is that I can't be sure.
I also do personally believe in upholding morale standards and justice. I do believe that I'll 'get a reward' for doing so - that it makes my life better. However, there are many people that don't think the same way, and they can't be forced to.
So, I'm not sure if we're on so different tracks after all... though this talk has gone a bit off from the original question
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Snogard
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posted May 28, 2002 05:16 AM |
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Njuul
I'll say whatever we do (hence including dying, and in this case, not dying for as well), in a sense, we're only doing it for ourselves. "Otherwises" are only interpretations of other people.
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