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The_Gootch
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posted May 21, 2002 05:54 PM |
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Deleting of threads?
I've been perusing the history of the tavern in my vain (so far) attempts to gleen from its hallowed pages OldTimers true age.
Alas, my attempts so far have been unsuccessful but I have uncovered a gem--one written by Sha_Men.
The purpose of the thread was to address and take to task Incubus for a thread that he had started and evidently deleted in a fit of anger.
Several members voiced their displeasure at his abilitiy to do such a thing. Why? Because it seemed to be a pretty long thread and when the creator deleted it--poof! There went all of their replies; replies that they had decided to take the time to make. Their cries of indignation finally made it to the Great Turban.
The Great Turban stated that he was unaware of this and that the situation would be corrected.
It hasn't.
Case in point, Ogneslav started several threads a few weeks back--several in fact that were quite inflammatory.
I finally responded to it. And I pushed just as hard back at him as he was. He didn't like my voice of dissension. What did he do? He deleted the entire thread just by deleting his first post.
Same thing with the Mocara thread and Mocara Poll in the toh side of the house. Lord_Dracos deleted those entire threads.
My question is...why hasn't this been fixed yet? Fine Valeriy, you wanted us members to have more control over our posts. However, we the mob should not have control over entire threads.
That is your and your moderators' job. Once we press that return key to post something we should not have the power to delete others posts just because we don't like their answers.
Does anyone else have something to say about this?
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matthy
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posted May 21, 2002 07:28 PM |
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Yes i have.
This would make the kind of behaviour possible:
SOmeone flames extremely and speaks in naughty words and then deletes his thread after one day before mods have checked it and then says 'up yours...you cant proove anything anyway...' deleteing should be for mods only...
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morcoz
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posted May 21, 2002 07:51 PM |
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I think itīs good that its possible to delete your threads.
But it is stupid that members are losing their post count when that happens. I say: let all post count even if threads are deletet!
Excuse my poor english, its my second language.
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matthy
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posted May 21, 2002 08:33 PM |
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so...
ill get my friend to log on and post notes to one thread one after one. and then delete it. and delete all of our threads... so go figure how we have 55443 posts and the title 'Psychotic Spammer Hero' without any threads...hmm. who cares about those lame stars anyway? i only care about qp and if they are in -....
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Sir_Stiven
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posted May 21, 2002 09:49 PM |
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Im with you gootchie, members should have the control of his/her own posts since they are their personal. Threads on the other hand is for the public once you post them.
As for the yellow stars, who actually cares about them? to me they are just as valuable as red stars. Which is nothing.
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Cat
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posted May 21, 2002 10:19 PM |
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Hear hear!
Okay, the deal...
Topics can be deleted by the author unless they are polls which are already underway.
It's potentially a good system, as it allows useless or spammy topics, such as threads which have been done before or are just plain rubbish can be disposed of without having to call a mod. Also offensive topics can be deleted if he person sees the error of their ways. So far, so good.
However, like most free systems, it is liable to abuse. Members can delete topics simply to be capricious or malicious or downright stupid. As we have seen through the actions of Wesley's previous incarnation incubus and Ogenslav, i can be a pain. Quite a few of Ogen's posts were actually moved by Hexa, btw, so you might wanna look to see if they have popped up anywhere else.
It would be interesting to see Wesley's views on this, although I appreciate he may not wanna get involved. Although I would be one of the last to notice if my post count dropped (I'd actually be quite pleased if it did as I seem to be super spammer.. lol), I can see how it has some stigma attached... your post count shows that you are veteran member, and it must be annoying for someody who doesn't post very often to drop a level. also, if you are reading the archives, as I often do and Gootch was doing, it can be annoying to find gaps. I really wanted to see the 'Inky Babies' thread, for instance, which is now gone.
It is also annoying, for that matter, when posts are deleted, as it leaves huge conintuity gaps in various threads.. for instance, Stiven's Deleting spree in the temple means that now the first few pages don't make that much sense.
A solution could be a thread recovery option for Val or the moderators... I am the first to admit that I know jack about coding, but surely it must be possible to have a feature which allows Val, the mods or both to pull deleted threads back out, and then 'lock' them in some way... or maybe, since the mod/ admin re-posted the thread it would be un-editable except by them, just like a regualar post made by that mod/ admin would be?
The other solution, to remove the delete option entirely, is a little harsh, as it's too inhibiting for my tastes. Val created this site with an element of trust and it would be a shame to abuse it so much that he revoked all our options one by one.
Don't act like a dingbat just coz u feel like it, any of you.. it isn't worth it... 
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Wesley
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posted May 21, 2002 10:52 PM |
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Well actually...
When you all make me very mad again.. I won't be responcible for my evil deeds..
The other deletings were all done by my PLAIN evil toughts...
I'm not ashamed for it.. because those post mean nothing to me anyway..
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bjorn190
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posted May 21, 2002 11:28 PM |
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This happends for a few reasons, in no particular order.
a) sometimes the poster regrets his thread and deletes it.
b) sometimes the poster doesnīt like a reply, deletes the thread, and creates a new one, with her original post, but with the unpleasant reply deleted, thus deleting someone elses post.
c) sometimes they like the power of deleting other ppls posts.
d) the only way to avoid the problem is to keep your posts yourself, in a text file. Thatīs what I do with important post, or when I post in a thread that is likely to be deleted by the originator (like dracos and co)
=P
fooos
you dont own the forum. once you make the post, itīs not yours anymore. Backup.. always backup.
FOOBUMS UNITE!!! =D
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Aculias
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posted May 21, 2002 11:39 PM |
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Yes I know the feeling it really pissed me off when Hexa would not listen to reason & some of the threads I made was not supposed ta have replies but to just read & enjoy a little writing from myself withing & which took a long time ta write & he deleted.
I have people copying threrads that I made earlier but I dont care about that, It just really pisses me off when threads have ta be deleted like that like we are baby sitters for kids & adults.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted May 21, 2002 11:40 PM |
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Again:
Id say that a post is yours, since its your words and only your words in it and you should therefor be able to do what you like with it.
But this isnt the case with a thread, because in a thread there are not only your opinions&words. There are other pplīs words aswell.
As for putting the weight on the mods shoulders for deleting everything if a thread starter wouldnt be able to delete it. Well, the mods should know what being a mod includes and therefor i think they know what they accepted once they accepted the responsibility for being that.
Isnt it kinda ridicoulus to have to backup a post just because youre not sure if the thread starter is reliable?
Id say that only the mods and off course the admin should have the power to delete a thread.
/Stefan
oh and Catherine, i had forgotten about that by now..im glad someone remembers what i do around here
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Nightshiver
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posted May 22, 2002 01:46 AM |
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It is certainly a brave option to provide the members the ability to delete posts . I guess the Webmaster of this site should be congratulated as should the members for the general level of self control exhibited.. Although backing up the database is an option it requires bandwidth and incurs data transfer costs to back up this database every time a post was made would be an expensive exercise i would imagine....
Most sites do not allow members to delete posts and therefore threads, certainly on my site we could not operate on that basis.. We have however an ever vigilant force of moderators a very large Mod team which allows us to have mods active on the forums at all time..24/7.(as Cat well knows)
I have taken the view on my site that the age range generally 10 to 60 does not allow me to give that sort of power to general members...
So i would say that if you have been given that ability here excercise it with extreme caution as it is a right not generally given and easily removed...
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DonGio
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of Clear Water Mountain Clan
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posted May 22, 2002 01:23 PM |
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Hey! Has someone deleted my "Creature Verdict!" thread??? Can't find it anywhere!
Delete well
DonGio
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celfious
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From earth
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posted May 22, 2002 01:54 PM |
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I think INCUBUS should be SHOT!
Dead and simple. Left a rotting FILTHY COURPSE.
Who need's him? Seriously ask this question!
Who the hell need's this guy? SHOOT 'IM!!!
Everything would be fixed. GIVE ME THE GUN!
I'LL TAKE HIS LIFE!! I wouldn't even have to think about it.
If HE'S such an evil guy, the serphant king he is..
he'd be alot happier watching our soul's burn in hell.
know what I'm sayin'? 
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matthy
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posted May 22, 2002 04:34 PM |
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300th post!
perhaps a simple redcoloured -------- on the topic name would do? so that you cant read it. kinda like recycle bin. then the other threads wont get so messed up as cat said. perhaps after a week of being --------- when everyone has checked that part of HC it will just be deleted permanently.
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Wesley
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posted May 23, 2002 01:00 AM |
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Quote:
I think INCUBUS should be SHOT!
Dead and simple. Left a rotting FILTHY COURPSE.
Who need's him? Seriously ask this question!
Who the hell need's this guy? SHOOT 'IM!!!
Everything would be fixed. GIVE ME THE GUN!
I'LL TAKE HIS LIFE!! I wouldn't even have to think about it.
If HE'S such an evil guy, the serphant king he is..
he'd be alot happier watching our soul's burn in hell.
know what I'm sayin'?
Haha how funny...
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Kynes
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altruistic egoist
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posted May 23, 2002 03:54 AM |
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I was pretty surprised when I first read about people deleting threads/posts. It indeed isn't very common on forums.
I think users shouldn't be able to delete no single posts nor whole threads. Too much power for a single user, who could be the worst kind of an as....e in the world.
Stiven, I think, as bjorn too said, that you don't own the forum nor the posts there, even if you had written them yourself. You have pressed the submit button thus giving the text to the forum, and you shouldn't be able to just take it back by force - it's not yours!
And that's what I think
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celfious
Promising
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From earth
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posted May 23, 2002 07:57 AM |
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Your all right about this.. Giving power like that to the prince of darkness is a wrong move.
I guess more people are in on this. Ever see the omen?
Anyway's, I've known about this conspiracy for along time. Wesley/incubus.. nevermind
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Cat
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Gonna Get Dirrty...
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posted May 23, 2002 10:23 PM |
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You could say it is too much diplomacy... but it is a nice display of trust in the posters that we have this option to take back offensive remarks, for instance. I like the idea of being able to delete your own posts.
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matthy
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posted May 23, 2002 10:36 PM |
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i say...censorize everything!
every post should be first checked by mods and proofread. so to get rid of spam, like this post here. or as a matter of fact, 98% of my other posts. 
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