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Sir_Stiven
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posted July 25, 2002 01:05 AM |
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What I'm trying to say is..Should punishment/reward be the same if Djive and Andi posted the exact same thing?
I don't know..what do you guys think?
That's like comparing sewer water to a clear mountain spring...
As i see it, andi has had plenty of chances to stop the bashing. A toos once in a while is ok, but what he's doing is way beyond that...he has been warned several times that he would get penalties if he continues...it was his choice!
Connīs previous post for those who doesnt remember it.
Ladies and gentlemen our Code of Conduct:
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It is important that all members of the Heroes Community read the following guidelines. They have been devised to ensure that the Community will remain as honorable and rewarding as possible. Any violations could result in expulsion from the Heroes Community. Please observe these simple rules and everyone's life will be much more enjoyable.
Messages which contain: racism, sexism, insults and any other illegal abuse of an individual's rights will be removed. Such abuse will NOT BE TOLERATED. No excessive profanity. No porn. No warez material or discussion, which includes asking for CD cracks, keys or generators. Any mention of money "schemes" will be removed. Spam, gibberish, lamers & flaming will not be tolerated. This includes posters who are deemed a detriment to the peace keeping of the forums. Moderators reserve the right to move, edit or delete any message for the purpose of keeping this community up to date, peaceful and organized.
Note: By posting a message on this forum, you are agreeing to adhere to the guidelines of this forum, and that you understand any message deemed against the said guidelines by moderators will be deleted, and you will be penalized. Any violation of the guidelines may result in a ban from Heroes Community.
Now please show me Conn where it says that members should be treated differently depending on their reputation.
Thnx in advance
/Stefan
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Conn
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posted July 25, 2002 02:42 AM |
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Ladies and gentlemen our Code of Conduct:
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Code of Conduct
It is important that all members of the Heroes Community read the following guidelines. They have been devised to ensure that the Community will remain as honorable and rewarding as possible. Any violations could result in expulsion from the Heroes Community.
Messages which contain: racism, sexism, insults and any other illegal abuse of an individual's rights will be removed. Such abuse will NOT BE TOLERATED.
Note: By posting a message on this forum, you are agreeing to adhere to the guidelines of this forum, and that you understand any message deemed against the said guidelines by moderators will be deleted, and you will be penalized. Any violation of the guidelines may result in a ban from Heroes Community.
Now please show me Conn where it says that members should be treated differently depending on their reputation.
Thnx in advance
/Stefan
I was not talking about reputation Steven, i was talking about actions. You have to agree with me that Andi broke those rules countless times. To a new member, or to one who hasn't broken the rules before, the mods consider giving him/her another chance. But to one that has shown he can only bash other ppl and break the rules each time he posts, what second chance does he have? He already had it, but he couldn't care less. Now, he's paying for his actions. That's the difference between him( and some other members) and the rest of HC. He was treated like the rest of us, until he chose to act the way he did. No one forced him, it was his own will. So, why would the mods treat Andi and a member that actually contributes to HC, in the same way?! You treat a felon and a housewife the same? I know i don't, and if you honestly tell me that you do, you're a hypocrite...
So, to sum up: Andi had the same treatment as the rest of us, until he went over-board. Now, he's paying. As Val's sig once said, "Every action has a reaction"( or something to that effect, can't remember it now). He chose to be treated this way, not the other way around.
I hope that clarifies you, Steven.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted July 25, 2002 03:45 AM |
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hmmmm...first of all its either "Stiven" or "Stefan". Not Steven. thank you.
Just some general opinions...
In my opinion andi is tossing but if we are going to talk about specific cases there are posts that involves lot heavier stuff than his who goes "unseen". And to me it seems like some moderators jumps on andi at every chance they get, its like just because he have gotten penalties before they can just keep em coming.
As for the rest ill leave it up to andi to respond if he chooses too that is. He can speak up for himself if he wants too but that doesnt mean i will stay out of this if he gets a penalty that isnt a penalty in my opinion. Because i will defend him if i think his treated unfairly, just as i would do with you, Aculias and whoever thats get some stuff they dont deserve. Because it seems like these people need all the back up they can get since most people usually takes the other side...Because of fear that they wont fit in/get accepted otherwise.
Oh and one more thing about my question earlier, Romanaīs question in the first place was about should we make different judgement calls depending on poster? And sure you spoke about andiīs past actions but you also compared em like heaven and hell and that one of them had burnt all his chances in your opinion. If thats not asking for people to get treated in different ways i dont know what is...and if you honestly can say it isnt...then you are the hypocrite around here Conn.
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Conn
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posted July 25, 2002 04:02 AM |
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hmmmm...first of all its either "Stiven" or "Stefan". Not Steven. thank you.
Sorry, my mistake, Stiven, won't happened again.
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In my opinion andi is tossing but if we are going to talk about specific cases there are posts that involves lot heavier stuff than his who goes "unseen". And to me it seems like some* moderators jumps on andi at every chance they get, its like just because he have gotten penalties before they can just keep em coming.
OK, since it seems you didn't understand a word i say, let me say it again...New members, (or members that haven't made any mistakes in the past), that break the rules are bring given a second chance. Now, Andi is neither new, nor at his first(lmao) breach of rules. Every post he makes is either a bash at someone, or a whine about why he got a -qp. As i said before, he's got no one to blame but himself for the way things are now. He's wasted all his chances(which were not few) a long time ago. The mods can be understanding only so much.
* We are talking about...? Come on, say it, don't be shy...
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Because it seems like these people need all the back up they can get since most people usually takes the other side...Because of fear that they wont fit in/get accepted otherwise.
That's very nice of you, but just be carefull not to add to the problem instead of helping to solve it...
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Oh and one more thing about my question earlier, Romanaīs question in the first place was about should we make different judgement calls depending on poster? And sure you spoke about andiīs past actions but you also compared em like heaven and hell and that one of them had burnt all his chances in your opinion. If thats not asking for people to get treated in different ways i dont know what is...and if you honestly can say it isnt...then you are the hypocrite around here Conn.
Geez, how many times do i have to say it?!?!?!
YES, Andi should be treated differnetly than the rest of HC. And so should anyone else who proves that he/she can only flame, swear, etc, and not add one constructive thing to HC!
I haven't seen one constructive post from him in all my time here...All he's done is attack anyone else. And, yes, in case you're wondering, I want him banned! At least from the Tavern, Altar, Library, Lands.
Need any more clarifications?
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I consider you a smart guy, and i thought you'd understand why i used bold for some parts of the Code....Have you?
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posted July 25, 2002 04:16 AM |
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Can we get back to the real subject instead of boring-ass ****?
Dried Leaves are also fun to burn.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted July 25, 2002 04:18 AM |
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What i wanna know Conn is what gives you the right to judge him on all of HC:s behalf?
So what if you concider all of his posts crap? There are plenty of people that doesnt.
Another thing that comes to mind is that if you concider andi so much of a worthless poster then why do you bother to read his posts anyway? You are no moderator, you have no responsibility to do so. And by doing it its obvious that more fighting comes along which you seem so willing to stop. Thats one thing thats kinda ironic, when dar Kraven posts you want people to look other way because then he will go bored of it but when it comes to andi it seems to be fair to slam him all you want too? Isnt that the exact same thing you dont want us to do again kraven dude? Worth thinking about isnt it Conn?
EDIT: sorry, missed that edited part of yours. Thank you for the kind words but unfortunately no i havent. I am yet to figure out what that has to do with different treatment because of reputations.
You dont have to show me that people can recieve penalties, ive already understood that part. But as i mentioned earlier the CoC says nothing about different treatment, it just says what should be worth a penalty and not. It doesnt say "but this is alittle relative, Connīs opinions matters alot too" does it?
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Lith-Maethor
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posted July 25, 2002 04:32 AM |
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Another thing that comes to mind is that if you concider andi so much of a worthless poster then why do you bother to read his posts anyway? You are no moderator, you have no responsibility to do so.
here is where you are wrong stiven... as Valeriy (who just happens to be the guy who sets the rules around here) clearly said in one of his recent posts, making HC a better place is the responsibility of ALL HC members... yes, this includes you, andi and motor too... to my knowledge, Conn has done a million things to help HC, you have done nothing but whine... i know you are capable of good posts, why don't you keep posting such?
on another subject, I NEVER, got any IMs from you or your buddies about a QP or penalty that should(n't) be given... all i see is threads about the same old subject again and again... sure, i'm human, i like some members more than others but as Conn found out, i have no problem giving them a penalty if they break the rules as i don't have any problem giving you a QP if you post something good...
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Conn
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posted July 25, 2002 04:32 AM |
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What i wanna know Conn is what gives you the right to judge him on all of HC:s behalf?
Who said anything about me judging on HC's behalf?! What i wrote is purely my opinion, and i don't think i said, or implied, that i judge on behalf of anyone, let alone a whole forum. That's just the way i see things. If it happenes to be the majority's opinion,...it's not my fault.
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So what if you concider all of his posts crap? There are plenty of people that doesnt.
Really? Who? You and Motor? And, please don't tell me about ToH...No offense to anyone, but that's not HC...If he helped ToH, doesn't mean he helped HC...
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Another thing that comes to mind is that if you concider andi so much of a worthless poster then why do you bother to read his posts anyway? You are no moderator, you have no responsibility to do so. And by doing it its obvious that more fighting comes along which you seem so willing to stop.
His posts get in the way of normal threads(well,normal more or less  ). The reason i read his posts is that i consider i can't agree or disagre with someone without listening to their opinion. Or do you think otherwise?
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Thats one thing thats kinda ironic, when dar Kraven posts you want people to look other way because then he will go bored of it but when it comes to andi it seems to be fair to slam him all you want too? Isnt that the exact same thing you dont want us to do again kraven dude? Worth thinking about isnt it Conn?
Huh? I don't remember involving myself in the kraven situation in any way. I agree that he made some crappy posts/threads( to say the least), but there were already many ppl saying that. Why would i want to repet what someone else says? I'm not a parrot. And, besides, Kraven is harmless, the mods can deal with him easily. Andi started a war...
And one more thing: Kraven was new. In my eyes, he's wasted all his chances, but i haven't seen any new threads by him lately, so the problem is solved until he comes back, anyway, and then we'll all see how he acts. Plus, when did i ever say that he should or shouldn't be given a qp or -qp?! As you said, i'm not a mod, so it's not my bussines.
You put a lot of things in my mouth that i haven't said Stiven. Try at least to be sure of what you're saying, before you say it...
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It's ok, i missed your edit too...lol
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EDIT: sorry, missed that edited part of yours. Thank you for the kind words but unfortunately no i havent. I am yet to figure out what that has to do with different treatment because of reputations.
Stiven, do me a favour: write down on a piece of paper the words "reputation" and "actions", and ask someone to tell you the difference, since it seems i can't explain it to you, and you don't understand it...
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You dont have to show me that people can recieve penalties, ive already understood that part. But as i mentioned earlier the CoC says nothing about different treatment, it just says what should be worth a penalty and not. It doesnt say "but this is alittle relative, Connīs opinions matters alot too" does it?
Yes, and it also doesn't say "Sir_Stiven's opinions matter alot too"...we are having a disagreement, and i'm stating my opinion. It just happens to be the same with other members of HC...And, once again, please try to think before you post...This is my third post, and i'm still not sure if you have a clue about what i'm saying...
Edit2: damn typos...
Edit 3: I asked you a question in my previous post...in case you can't find it, it's marked with an asterix( * )
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Sir_Stiven
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posted July 25, 2002 02:00 PM |
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Hmmm yeah Conn your prolly right there, i dont have any clue what you are talking about mostly it seems. To me we were talking about if people should get treated differently depending on reputation.
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YES, Andi should be treated differnetly than the rest of HC.
And then it obviously didnt matter if you used all the BB code you know because you dont prove your point any better with it. Your quote above is what i conciderd saying that Andi should not get treated like rest of HC. And that has to do with reputation Conn, you are the only one here talking about actions. The rest of us is talking about the topic.
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So what if you concider all of his posts crap? There are plenty of people that doesnt.
Really? Who? You and Motor? And, please don't tell me about ToH...No offense to anyone, but that's not HC...If he helped ToH, doesn't mean he helped HC...
Hehe  you would be suprised to find out the answer to this question Conn. Even if you concider every post of him crap i can insure you that many people here doesnt. But in the future please make a check up before you decide to make a post on "the majority" of HC:s behalf...
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Huh? I don't remember involving myself in the kraven situation in any way. I agree that he made some crappy posts/threads( to say the least), but there were already many ppl saying that. Why would i want to repet what someone else says? I'm not a parrot
Good question, i dunno... why do you keep attacking andi?
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Andi started a war...
He did? where? as far as i remember it and as i have already pointed out sp was it oldtimer that made a personal attacking thread, i gave it a twist by showing what i thought andi could add as a moderator. And then when things started to cool off i got the "angry Mrs club" on my back again... off course andi was a part of it, but he sure as hell didnt start a war on his own.
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Yes, and it also doesn't say "Sir_Stiven's opinions matter alot too"...we are having a disagreement, and i'm stating my opinion. It just happens to be the same with other members of HC...And, once again, please try to think before you post...This is my third post, and i'm still not sure if you have a clue about what i'm saying...
True Conn, but iam not the one using all the BB-code i know to say that reputation should matter.
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Another thing that comes to mind is that if you concider andi so much of a worthless poster then why do you bother to read his posts anyway? You are no moderator, you have no responsibility to do so.
here is where you are wrong stiven... as Valeriy (who just happens to be the guy who sets the rules around here) clearly said in one of his recent posts, making HC a better place is the responsibility of ALL HC members
No lith, this is where you are wrong. Where is the responsibility in starting a fight if you dont have too? That hardly makes HC a better place in my opinion and im sure that you as a moderator here share my view on that? When Wesley was a frequent poster here i often just ignored his posts because i knew that if i responded it would just mean that his and my fights would be all over the place for no use at all. Some times being a responsible member means looking at other side too, but as a moderator you dont have that option. As a moderator your responsibility is to check the posts around for bad/good stuff and trying to keep members happy. So then to the $500 question... why do I interfer most of the times then? since i obviously shouldnt if i am to be responsible by my own words. Well, as i see it when these fights starts it usually one side thats less supported and as it happens this side has been andis alot lately. And even if andi says that he doesnt care much about this place and what happens i still dont concider this a reason to treat him different. And since he is about as good at speaking up for himself here as he is on fighting TC battlemap one can understand he needs some support On a more serious note, this is how i concider myself responsible around here...i speak up for the persons that in my opinion needs it.
And you are 100% right, i dont think i have sent an IM about an QP issue to you yet. But thats mainly because i prefer to talk to Hexa about that stuff, ask him if he has gotten any msg:s from me about QP issues. so there.
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posted July 25, 2002 09:08 PM |
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Well I really didn't want to get into this discussion (and I'm not gonna too). Just think I can explain in one sentence what Conn means here!@
He means:
"If people break the rules for the first time they get warned and there will usually be no -qp contrary to those that have already received warnings and still won't change there ways."
*vanishes back into the shadows*
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