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Lews_Therin
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posted August 10, 2002 05:12 PM |
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Islam and Judaism (and Christianity for that matter) are all very similar, but many people who believe in those religions seem to misinterpret the holy texts and give them the meaning that's most convenient for them at the time. From some reason many Muslim people in the middle east believe that all the crimes that they commit against Israel are justified by their religion.
That´s because those "holy texts" aren´t holy at all. They are full of archaic cruelty, glorifications of genocide. Crusades, Inquisition and Holocaust are all very strongly inspired by your "holy books". The problem is that you people have been indoctrinated from childhood to believe, pick out a few humanistic-looking lines from the bible and ignore the rest.
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IYY
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posted August 10, 2002 07:38 PM |
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That´s because those "holy texts" aren´t holy at all. They are full of archaic cruelty, glorifications of genocide. Crusades, Inquisition and Holocaust are all very strongly inspired by your "holy books".
There is plenty of good stuff in the books, but unfortunately so many people manage to ignore the important parts and somehow manage to make a whole nation believe that the holy texts allow murder. So instead of blaming the books, better blame the people who manage to twist and use them for evil.
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Lews_Therin
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posted August 11, 2002 05:11 AM |
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There is plenty of good stuff in the books, but unfortunately so many people manage to ignore the important parts and somehow manage to make a whole nation believe that the holy texts allow murder. So instead of blaming the books, better blame the people who manage to twist and use them for evil.
Ah, the book is good and even "holy", but evil people twist its words. Did you ever read it? Well, here are a few examples:
1 Kings, Chapter 21
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21:19
And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Hast thou killed, and also taken possession? And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine.
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21:29
Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.
Or how about this:
Psalms, Chapter 5
5:10
Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.
5:11
But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
5:12
For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield.
Or would you rather like that one:
Jeremiah, Chapter 6
6:10
To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.
6:11
Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.
6:12
And their houses shall be turned unto others, with their fields and wives together: for I will stretch out my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the LORD.6:10
To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.
I could give you hundreds of these, if you´re interested. Now tell me, how did I misread the above? What´s the correct and philanthropic interpretation? .How can you call a book holy that is full of such atrocities?.
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Athimus_Phaeni
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posted August 11, 2002 05:22 AM |
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Hey now you are talking **** about the beliefs of other people. 2 things that I really dont like to discuss is religion and external relationship of countries(like Osama Bin Laden thread, so I retired myself). But saying that about holy book of a religion is really offensive.
You got some parts that shows anger and something like that, and as human every angry person wants to smash anything that is agains him.
The Bible is famous because of Jesus(dont know how to spell in English), so judge it by Jesus attitudes, not every word write in it.
I dont know which is your religion and I dont care about it. I personally think that some religions have some habits that I really dont agree, but people follow it because they think it is right.
So, dont start saying this kind of thing about other religion. People fight because they want to fight. Nobody is forced to fight.
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privatehudson
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posted August 11, 2002 05:30 AM |
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Well the way I look at it the holy texts are written by people 2000 years ago, each of them different and with their own particular things to say. Lews if I had the time I could find just as many things in the bible that promote equality and love thy neighbour type of ideals. The point is that you can't just quote small amounts of the bible and write it off for it. Look on it as a general guide and a history of the Jewish race, not literal fact and exact ways to live your life. You mentioned picking out specific bits, but isn't that what you are doing? What do YOU call a holy book?
Written works will always be misinterpreted. Here's a shock for you. The Communist Manifesto is NOT evil (shock, horror) and is actually quite a reasnoble system in principle. People though have warped this books words into Communism in Russia and China to create a monster that is nothing like the original ideals of Marx and Engels.
And in defence of Islam (just to make a set!) not all muslim people warp the Koran, it is just used that way. Most devout muslims will tell you the last thing a muslim wants is to kill someone, even one they consider to be evil. Part of the point of a Jihad is the first way to carry it out is by talking, discussing etc. Violence is the last resort. This point is often missed.
And in case anyone wants to now accuse me of being a religous nutter, bad luck as I'm an aetheist, but I do beleive in seeing both sides of the story and giving things a fair chance, which is what you are not seeming to be doing lews with the holy texts
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Lews_Therin
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posted August 11, 2002 05:53 AM |
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Athimus, where am I talking "****" about anyone´s religion? I´m just quoting texts from a book that many people call "holy". How can that be offensive?
I am tolerant about everyone´s right to have his or her own belief and religion, unless it is used to hurt or manipulatively affect the lives of others.
a) The bible is full of parts like the above, and the New Testamentum is hardly any better - that´s just an apologetic fairy-tale used by many Christians. Of course I can give you evidence for this, too, if you´re interested.
b) History if equally full of wars and massacres done in the names of the monotheistic gods.
Now add a) and b) together, it´s not that difficult, really.
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Lews_Therin
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posted August 11, 2002 06:42 AM |
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Lews if I had the time I could find just as many things in the bible that promote equality and love thy neighbour type of ideals.
To bad that you don´t have the time, as you would lose that bet  . Seriously, we are talking about a book of myths that shows the views of people who lived more than 2000 years ago. One among many. What do you think would its status be today, if its supporters had not been as militant as you can find them in history? Without the crusaders and missionars, who offered the choice between baptism and death?
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The point is that you can't just quote small amounts of the bible and write it off for it.
I can quote you large amounts anytime, if you like  .
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Look on it as a general guide and a history of the Jewish race, not literal fact and exact ways to live your life.
As a general guide it glorifies torture, slavery and genocide from the beginning to the end.
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You mentioned picking out specific bits, but isn't that what you are doing?
Wait a second, I am not the one who calls this book "holy". Here is a definition of this word:
HOLY
1 : exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness
2 : DIVINE <for the Lord our God is holy -- Psalms 99:9
3 : devoted entirely to the deity or the work of the deity
As a piece of myth and history it´s perfectly acceptable of course.
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What do YOU call a holy book?
Nothing . Like you I am an atheist.
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Written works will always be misinterpreted.
I did not interprete those texts, I merely quoted them. But tell me, how can they be interpreted in any way that makes them not only morally acceptable for us, but even holy?
And I´m not shocked , of course labeling communism "evil" is just propaganda. The theory was intended to improve the miserable life of the working-class people, unfortunately it didn´t work out at all in practice.
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dArGOn
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posted August 11, 2002 08:50 AM |
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6. Islam (77%)
7. Orthodox Judaism (77%)
Yeah, but I found this part here quite interesting given your comments on the Israel situation... maybe if everybody in the middle east was required to take this test, they'd find out that they have the exact same beliefs!
Yeah that is intersting...but I got to say that from my own results this test gives a pretty broad brush...some of those religions/world views it gave me a high percentage on I know I disagree with strongly
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dArGOn
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posted August 11, 2002 08:53 AM |
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Edited By: dArGOn on 11 Aug 2002
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Lews Therin stated
That´s because those "holy texts" aren´t holy at all. They are full of archaic cruelty, glorifications of genocide. Crusades, Inquisition and Holocaust are all very strongly inspired by your "holy books". The problem is that you people have been indoctrinated from childhood to believe, pick out a few humanistic-looking lines from the bible and ignore the rest.
Your perpetual prejudice and ignorant statements continues to amaze me
Lews Therin stated " History if equally full of wars and massacres done in the names of the monotheistic gods. "
How incredibly convenient for you to leave out all the wars and massacres that have occurred in the name of materialism, pantheism, atheism, political theory, power, etc. Yep monotheism alone is responsible for all the wars...give me a break! Oh I am wrong... the slaughter of millions by Lenin and Stalin was due to their deep devotion Jesus. The fact is anyone who has a belief of any kind can and has been the perpetrator of violence….don’t try to blame it all on religion…let alone a religions that ascribe to monotheism.
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dArGOn
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posted August 11, 2002 08:57 AM |
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Lews if I had the time I could find just as many things in the bible that promote equality and love thy neighbour type of ideals. The point is that you can't just quote small amounts of the bible and write it off for it.
A very reasoned and objective statment!
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hamsi128
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posted August 11, 2002 10:53 AM |
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Islam and Judaism (and Christianity for that matter) are all very similar, but many people who believe in those religions seem to misinterpret the holy texts and give them the meaning that's most convenient for them at the time. From some reason many Muslim people in the middle east believe that all the crimes that they commit against Israel are justified by their religion.
being a turkish , i hope you dont generate muslims and arabes same 
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Nidhgrin
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baking cookies from stardust
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posted August 11, 2002 02:14 PM |
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Well the way I look at it the holy texts are written by people 2000 years ago, each of them different and with their own particular things to say. Lews if I had the time I could find just as many things in the bible that promote equality and love thy neighbour type of ideals. The point is that you can't just quote small amounts of the bible and write it off for it. Look on it as a general guide and a history of the Jewish race, not literal fact and exact ways to live your life. You mentioned picking out specific bits, but isn't that what you are doing? What do YOU call a holy book?
Written works will always be misinterpreted. Here's a shock for you. The Communist Manifesto is NOT evil (shock, horror) and is actually quite a reasnoble system in principle. People though have warped this books words into Communism in Russia and China to create a monster that is nothing like the original ideals of Marx and Engels.
And in defence of Islam (just to make a set!) not all muslim people warp the Koran, it is just used that way. Most devout muslims will tell you the last thing a muslim wants is to kill someone, even one they consider to be evil. Part of the point of a Jihad is the first way to carry it out is by talking, discussing etc. Violence is the last resort. This point is often missed.
And in case anyone wants to now accuse me of being a religous nutter, bad luck as I'm an aetheist, but I do beleive in seeing both sides of the story and giving things a fair chance, which is what you are not seeming to be doing lews with the holy texts
I agree with Athimus, same reason I retired from the OBL thread. People started digging up details and others (including me) made the mistake to try and prove those details wrong in stead of continueing to talk in general terms. This time, I must say that I can't agree more with what Private Hudson said here. I hope you all read this before you discuss on. I'm not getting into this discussion (again) but I just want to add that everyone has the right to believe in whatever religion/non-religion they choose. Never disrespect people for it, never make fun of the 'sacred' items (like the bible, koran, ...) of ones religion, you wouldn't want others to make fun of yours. O, and one last thing, ya guys are getting way outta topic again, hehe.
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daikon
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with great magic powers
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posted August 12, 2002 05:39 AM |
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Hey, won't anyone tell me what is Christian Science?
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hamsi128
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posted August 12, 2002 07:39 AM |
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i m angry and sad.. when mods will close this thread?... this is the most offensive thread i ever read on heroescommunity.... i call mods to job !!!
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bjorn190
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Jebus maker
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posted August 12, 2002 08:32 AM |
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aww 
Now play your turn
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privatehudson
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posted August 12, 2002 05:23 PM |
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hamsi if any of my comments seemed to imply that an arab must be a Islamic person and vice versa I appologise, as I know that there is a difference.
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Sir_Natuz_III
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Water Unicorn Knight
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posted August 12, 2002 11:47 PM |
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Me voy a poner a cantar:
Yo se que soy de tu agrao ,
No te niege en darme el siii
que yo te e ofrecido a tiii
un matrimonio sagrao
noma porque me enamoro
se ponen a dar querya
total las palmas son mas altas
y los puercos comen de eyaas
no quieren que yo te quiera
me tienen impedimentos
y no me dejan saliir
de la puerta
a el aposento
creame que mucho lo siento
pero que diran de mi
tengo un amor de pasion
y poreso atro no le puedo dar el si
yo no tengo un corazon
que me sepa acorteja
cuando yo llego a tu puerta
llega la aveja al panal
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Kynes
Adventuring Hero
altruistic egoist
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posted August 13, 2002 02:18 AM |
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Back on topic then, here are my results:
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (96%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (93%)
4. Neo-Pagan (90%)
5. Secular Humanism (86%)
6. New Age (75%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (75%)
8. Mahayana Buddhism (71%)
9. Bahá'í Faith (63%)
10. Reform Judaism (60%)
11. New Thought (60%)
12. Sikhism (58%)
13. Taoism (57%)
14. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (55%)
15. Scientology (54%)
16. Nontheist (51%)
17. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (50%)
18. Jainism (50%)
19. Orthodox Quaker (49%)
20. Hinduism (40%)
21. Jehovah's Witness (38%)
22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (35%)
23. Orthodox Judaism (26%)
24. Eastern Orthodox (22%)
25. Roman Catholic (22%)
26. Islam (20%)
27. Seventh Day Adventist (18%)
Looks a lot like Hexa's it seems...
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daikon
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 13, 2002 05:08 AM |
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OK, I give in...
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Kynes
Adventuring Hero
altruistic egoist
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posted August 13, 2002 04:23 PM |
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Hmmm... Well, I remember Christian Science being something to merge modern scientific revelations into traditional Christian concept, like evolution, Big Bang, and that kind of stuff.
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