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bjorn190
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posted August 19, 2002 06:32 PM |
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No I have nothing to do with that. I was talking about the mods and other ppl. The only zombie attack I know about is the one I use to kill 1 hydra with 1 zombie without war machines, damage spells, animate, or fire shield.
I still think u should go away tho. yeah, u should 
bye bye jerk
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bort
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Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted August 19, 2002 07:14 PM |
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Now i seem to of missed the whole epic battle (damn!) so as usual dont know all the story (its doesnt seem as interesting as everyones reactions are anyways)
I basically missed it, too. I read it a couple days ago, was fairly annoyed and posted as such. Fired up the ol' internet today and expected to find a thread from Val explaining what had been done about this, but only found more bickering (yay!)
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1)Why has nebukas first post not recieved a red star yet? Its far more deserving post than the two that recieved the stars, i mean ones basically saying flame me, and the other is someone doing exactly that.
Ah... the mysteries of life
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2)Has anyone else noticed the teams in these arguements are usually the same?
Well, I've been a pretty consistent mod supporter, but I couldn't support 'em on this one. Except Djive. I kind of feel sorry for her since this has obviously put her in a pretty akward situation of being buggered by the other mods. I'm not on DM's side, but in this particular case, I do feel others are more at fault.
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4) If he was given the password you cant blame him for using it
Well, you can, but there definitely is someone else who deserves more blame. I do have to say that he hasn't done what we all would have thought he would do if he had a password...
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bjorn190
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posted August 19, 2002 08:00 PM |
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Well, I've been a pretty consistent mod supporter, but I couldn't support 'em on this one. Except Djive. I kind of feel sorry for her since this has obviously put her in a pretty akward situation of being buggered by the other mods. I'm not on DM's side, but in this particular case, I do feel others are more at fault.
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4) If he was given the password you cant blame him for using it
Well, you can, but there definitely is someone else who deserves more blame. I do have to say that he hasn't done what we all would have thought he would do if he had a password...
Hmm.. lets think about it..
If the government gives you a gun (lets you buy one/own one) and you shoot a bunch of pregnant women and babies with it, whoīs to blame? The goverment, who sold you the gun with the intent to defend yourself, or you, who used it to kill a bunch of innocent humans?
I think its you.
I find it pretty weird to blame the government for releasing the harshness of phyiscal boundries, trusting that the moral ones will hold.
If youīre not so good with these things, the government is a mod, and "you" is DM.
The only thing that was done by given out the password (if it happened) was that DM wasnīt restricted anymore from hacking into (using without permission) a mods account. He still had/has no right to use it/threaten to use it.
Example of physical/moral boundries, on entering my house.
A moral boundry, my right to privacy, prevents you from entering my house uninvited.
A physical boundry (Door/lock) prevents you from entering my house if you are an immoral criminal.
The physical boundries of the world are there to protect people from the people that donīt care about moral boundries or laws. DM is such a person. Thatīs whats wrong with him.
Thus, we need to lock our doors, and use passwords on our accounts, and keep them secret, so he doesnīt abuse them.
Giving out a password is an act of trust. Betraying that is very bad. Also after betraying it, breaking a moral boundry, and bragging about it in public to hurt the one that made the act of trust is even worse.
If you read this, Im sure that u understandmy viewpoint on why DM is the only one in error here, in a perfect world.
I would never blame someone for trusting another person. That is the way to a better world. Itīs just sad that people like DM exist. They make the world a crappier place.
But donīt blame the wrong person. Think instead.
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privatehudson
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posted August 19, 2002 08:10 PM |
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bjorn190
Damn it that explains my argument perfectly! Now what shall I say other than that is probably the best argument using reasoning I've seen here since I joined.
Well done!
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Cat
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Gonna Get Dirrty...
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posted August 19, 2002 08:47 PM |
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Bjorn, that is exactly what the non-entity that is myself had going through my mind. Amongst other things. Well done. Especially the go away part 
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Dear_Morons
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posted August 19, 2002 08:54 PM |
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Just has just reached the next level of stupidity. Not only do you take this way to seriously Bjorn but you make it sound like I'm the most evil person to ever exist. I hate to think what you do if someone cuts you off in traffic because people like that shouldn't be alive. Or someone who spills something on the floor and you slip on it making you fall to the floor. Maybe he should die too.
My only advice would be to grow up and not take the online soap opera so litterly. I cant believe I even had to say that. Please get a damn life already and trim down the ego. Maybe if you didnt walk around with snow in your mouth you wouldn't be spewing as much bullsnow as you do already.
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bjorn190
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posted August 19, 2002 09:12 PM |
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Pretty ironic that u are asking me to take the online soap opera less serious based on how serious you think my online soap opera posts are. Hehe I guess that irony is wasted on you tho
And killing ppl? I donīt remember anything about killing someone.. I guess you just made that shiet up 
About how serious this is.. well it is just a message board right? But there are people behind the handles. People that can be hurt. And I will do my best to keep you from hurting the ones I care about.
And the thing is, this is a game to you, but itīs not to the people you hurt. Thatīs why you are the way you are. You donīt care about it as much. And thatīs why youīre missing something. Maybe empathy, maybe something else.
But what you do here can make another person happy, or it can make another person cry. Itīs communication. Sure, itīs communication over the internet, but that doesnt make it less real. You can affect ppl alot. And you should start being more responsible about your actions.
But if we get real for a moment. I donīt know if youīve actually hurt someone. I only know myself, and I donīt feel hurt
And there are some things that I know that you donīt. And of all the things youīve done on this board, what youīve done in this affair is the worst. The other stuff has been pretty harmless, but this is too much. I hope that you will think about things, and then maybe apologize to Romana, and delete any information about passwords and such, and just get on with stuff like we used to.
At least thatīs a good thing to do. Everyone messes up, but you can always make it better.
I liked your little images of smilies and dancing animals, lol WTG there
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arachnid
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posted August 19, 2002 09:17 PM |
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a pretty (melo)dramatic way of looking on it
I see it much more simply
a bit like this.............
After playing diablo 2 for many month improving and working on your character till there lvl 90 (with lots of the best rare.unique things that you actually found). In a channel however you get chatting to someone and after a while they tell you they have found a way to add the best equipment on to your existing character, but they need your password for it to work and then a quick reboot. You quickly agree eager to see your character even better only to find hes changed the password on your account and taking all your characters.
Now the question is the person a big fool? or just a warm hearted individual living in a cruel and heartless world?
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posted August 19, 2002 09:30 PM |
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After playing diablo 2 for many month improving and working on your character till there lvl 90 (with lots of the best rare.unique things that you actually found). In a channel however you get chatting to someone and after a while they tell you they have found a way to add the best equipment on to your existing character, but they need your password for it to work and then a quick reboot. You quickly agree eager to see your character even better only to find hes changed the password on your account and taking all your characters.
Now the question is the person a big fool? or just a warm hearted individual living in a cruel and heartless world?
I_RUELS was play Diablo 2 once, for many week, not month. Then he say "This game be suc, I will find real game" and deleted all character.
I_RUELS know answer to others question: Person is big foo. He play Diablo 2 for many month <-- foo but he is also the trusting player and has good heart. He is the nice, and sometime the nice lose the thing to the mean. But they never lose the nice, only thing. And thing donīt mean as much as nice. And in end, mean have nothing, only useless thing. Not like other. Like I_RUELS.
And I_RUELS read message on board. He like. Bjorn190 is master of heroes game and of all thing. Also of good word. Not like I_RUELS. I write.. not good. But I can do the heroes game like good player. I am always the WIN! So who matter? I try write and then to play. U make understand what I_RUELS mean he be hope today. Please.
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Nidhgrin
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posted August 19, 2002 09:45 PM |
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@Dear_Morons: I don't care about the reasons why you keep flaming people you don't know, but I have one question for you. Why did you write this 'thing' about Romana? Can you answer that question honestly? Is it some personal vendetta, should (in your mind) your other character have been a mod in stead of Romy, or are you just trying to create some chaos?
@Sir_Stiven: Yes, indeed. You're right again. I am on the mod side here as I think what DM did here is disgusting and inexpliccably foul. I do have my questions too after reading all this, and I hope that none of it is true. Either way, I'm disappointed in the way the tavern mods handled this. They really seem to be gone! An explosive thread like this should not be left without tavern mods. Unfortunately Djive is not a tavern mod.
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bort
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Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted August 19, 2002 11:42 PM |
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4) If he was given the password you cant blame him for using it
Well, you can, but there definitely is someone else who deserves more blame. I do have to say that he hasn't done what we all would have thought he would do if he had a password...
Hmm.. lets think about it..
If the government gives you a gun (lets you buy one/own one) and you shoot a bunch of pregnant women and babies with it, whoīs to blame? The goverment, who sold you the gun with the intent to defend yourself, or you, who used it to kill a bunch of innocent humans?
I think its you.
I find it pretty weird to blame the government for releasing the harshness of phyiscal boundries, trusting that the moral ones will hold.
Okay, first of all, I did say that you can blame DM, but I said that I think someone else deserves as much if not more of the share of the blame. Your analogy doesn't work. If a cop (mod) knowingly provides a known criminal with a gun and they go and kill someone, I guarentee you people aren't going to be saying "well, it wasn't the cop's fault." In fact, the cop would probably be convicted of murder for reckless endangerment. Second, as much as I dislike him, I have to admit that DM did not run around giving us all penalties and himself bonuses which I guess would be the equivalent of "killing people" in your analogy. What he did was hold up the gun and say "ha ha! I have a gun."
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If youīre not so good with these things, the government is a mod, and "you" is DM.
But donīt blame the wrong person. Think instead.
Don't give me this crap. I'm not an idiot, I understand what's going on. This is the kind of statement that I'd expect from DM.
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privatehudson
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posted August 19, 2002 11:51 PM |
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cool it guys we've all said our piece and now I think it's down to the tavern mods to sort out between them. There's no need to argue and fight because at the end of the day most of us have no say in the outcome of the events. Just state the point you want to make and for god's sake don't let DM break us up into petty squabbles because that's exactly what he wants to do.
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Nebuka
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Save me Jebus!
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posted August 20, 2002 12:16 AM |
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I am on the mod side here as I think what DM did here is disgusting and inexpliccably foul.
Disgusting? What are you talking about? The only 'disgusting' thing he did here was posting private IMs. Other members did that and it wasn't called disgusting. That's just lame and unwelcomed...
And for other...Bort said it better than I could.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted August 20, 2002 12:31 AM |
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Im with Bort on this one even if i admire bjornīs way to act with his heart instead of his brain. Because i reckon thats what he his doing, his standing up for a friend that he knows has made a mistake. DM should also get stick for this but how you may twist it to make reason or not the simple fact remains im afraid:
This would never had happend if one of our moderators hadnt traded her password for another members "real" username.
It is as simple as that, yes i know Romana and i know she have a good heart too but sometimes following heart isnt right decision im afraid. In a perfect world it would have been but unfortunately that isnt the case nor "in real life" or in here.
So what will all of this result in then? well as someone has pointed out im really suprised that no mods except Djive (who isnt a tavern mod) have made a comment here. But then i wouldnt expect RMS to make one either since he problably knows as much as we do...
I dunno how long our mods are staying on vacation, but i have a feeling it will be sorted out when they get back here. I dont wanna speculate in what consequences this will bring but i have a feeling something must be done or said. As for DM staying on this board...well, blackmailing a moderator isnt the most clever thing to do. In some weird way i think Romana should be happy this is out in open now so he wont get the chance to start doing really bad stuff.
As for myself i dunno when ill be back here, i have lots of things to do in "real life" now. And i dont know when ill be back online and how much time i will find for it. I guess im almost guaranteed away for 2 weeks...after that i dont know. Have fun all
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Athimus_Phaeni
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posted August 20, 2002 03:16 AM |
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If the government gives you a gun (lets you buy one/own one) and you shoot a bunch of pregnant women and babies with it, whoīs to blame? The goverment, who sold you the gun with the intent to defend yourself, or you, who used it to kill a bunch of innocent humans?
In this case your are abusing of having a gun, and you are acting against the law. In our case(read as HC case), the guy got the gun but didnt act against the "law". If you have some privilege, as having a gun for example, you can use it freely if you arent infringing the law. Killing pregnant womem is against it so you should be punished.
In the password case, there would be no problems even if started to give QP or penalties(in the right way - give when someone deserves), because he has the right(if we are just following strictly the "HC law") given by him by Romana. He didnt do it, so we cant blame him for it at all.
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Example of physical/moral boundries, on entering my house.
A moral boundry, my right to privacy, prevents you from entering my house uninvited.
A physical boundry (Door/lock) prevents you from entering my house if you are an immoral criminal.
The physical boundries of the world are there to protect people from the people that donīt care about moral boundries or laws. DM is such a person. Thatīs whats wrong with him.
You could complain about it if we lived in a world were everybody had the same rights, privileges and duties. It is not what happen in our world.
Do you think that a person in need of money(a honest person) would think about moral boundries before breaking it?
Of course it is not the case here, but it is still a problem to resolve before we can talk about moral.
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Now think the following:
Romana exchanged her password for Dear_Morons identity. So he revealed her it, and she gave him her password. Now, with the password, what Dear_Morons could do that you wouldnt blame? He havent done nothing and you started flaming him that he is the "wrong one" here.
Ok, so lets consider that he couldnt do nothing with her password. Then Romana got a information(that she really wanted and that she consider really usefull) and Dear_Morons got a password(that he cant use for nothing). Who profited with this? I think it is Romana. So a MOD proposed something to a member that she would certainly profit. Is this something a MOD should do? Is this a example that all the members should take? I dont think so.
As I said before, I dont like Dear_Morons.(I dont hate, but I dont like him). And I think Romana is a great person. But in this situation we cant blame Dear_Morons, only our friend Romana.
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Darion
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posted August 20, 2002 04:44 AM |
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Still AP, I personally think the major discussion here is not the legality of the issue.... it would be not he did with the password, but the aftereffects of what he did. That would be posting IM's (nasty thing to do, I did that and was severely reprimanded tho not on this message board) and generally being immature... "Lookit me! Hey, I gotz a Mod password and I'm gonna flame you all...."
Again, i personally think most people are angry at the way he acted, not the whole legality of "which rule did he break whodunnit watchmacallit" mainly because as you said, there is no issue of legality here.
So yes. I do think that his behavior was immature, and the comments he made to the responses of other people at his actions are what he should be penalized. (direct insulting)
P.S. Anybody else find that DM comments and criticisms seem sometimes contradictory and hypocrticial? I just find it amusing that he seems to switch moods and positions on a quarter...
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Dear_Morons
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posted August 20, 2002 06:18 AM |
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P.S. Anybody else find that DM comments and criticisms seem sometimes contradictory and hypocrticial? I just find it amusing that he seems to switch moods and positions on a quarter...
Sure you could say im contradictory or hyprocritical and really I am. But all it means is im better than you. You want to know why? I can tell you what to do and think and most of you follow it like sheep. The rest become spamming lunatics that dont make sense and nobody listens too anyway.
Moral of story...I own you. Baaaa 
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Cat
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Gonna Get Dirrty...
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posted August 20, 2002 12:43 PM |
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@Morons:- You can tell us what to do and think? Is that so? Well, I do hope your street party was jolly. I think it is a hilarious and interesting investigation into the psyche of the human mind that an individual can create an account or more to the point a membership to a club or society for the sole business of being an imense irritant. This lack of distinct purpose, moral structure, manners and wisdom amazes me. I withdraw my statement made earlier about the possesion of certain key faculties.
I also find it interesting that you believe yourself to be extreamly witty for posting a small emoction of a sheep which skips. You are obviously doing this in the hope that people will be distracted by the immense hilarity of the sheep and will not attempt to assess the drivel you insist on posting. Even wittier perhaps would be a pair of mating horses, which you could then relate to two of the male members on the forum.
@Everybody:- You (mostly) make excellent points. However, as I have said in my previous post and also to Stefan in private, there is no question that Romana made an error. I suggested that her reasons for this error be examined some more. But we really need her here to do this. I am not debating the fact that she made an error. But I have said it before and will say it again:- I have never known Romana do anything with malicious intent; and I have never known Morons to do anything without malicious intent. I dislike him immensely. I appreciate he probably has an off the wall level of sexual frustration but as I said before:- no excuses... I am neither impressed nor amused by his malicious and deranged rantings.
You will notice, he uses the classical bully tactics. He picks at a weak link, somebody who is easily hurt or upset, and attacks them in a manner which can only be described as cowardly, callow and vile. I abore bullies. this man/ woman hides behind his computer account and systematically weeds out the weaker people.. lets look at his primary attacks:- Romana. Known to be sensitive to other people's comments. Milena:- Ditto. Bjorn:- Also a sensitive member. Probably he will attack Aculias next.
This makes me sick that somebody is cowardly enough to behave like this. I have never tolerated bullies in real life and I see no reason to tolerate them here. To me, bullying is only a step away from physical abuse. It is mental abuse and a perversion of every moral fibre we have in our bodies.
Look away from the issue at hand and look at the bigger picture.
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bjorn190
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posted August 20, 2002 12:58 PM |
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Well heīs just attacking me since I go at him all the time Not because Im sensitive, cause Iīm not sensitive in *that* way. And who cares about DM anymore? Heīs yesterdays news
Lets make babies
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