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Heroes Community > Heroes 4 - Lands of Axeoth > Thread: Creature Battlegrounds!
Thread: Creature Battlegrounds!
Klauts
Klauts


Famous Hero
lost in a mourning hall!
posted August 24, 2002 09:19 PM

Creature Battlegrounds!

I've put the results of my favorite creature here!
So can you!
I've put the stack is a week worth (creatures/ week)
I've battled the same level!
So here comes the vamp:
3 vamps vs 3 venom spawns/Win/
         /3 vamps left
3 vamps vs 4 nagas/Win/
         /3 vamps left
3 vamps vs 6 genies/Lose/
         /5 genies left
3 vamps vs 5 crusader/Lose/
         /2 crusaders left
3 vamps vs 6 monks/Win/
         /3 vamps left
3 vamps vs 4 griffins/Win/
         /3 vamps left
3 vamps vs 5 unicorns/Win/
         /3 vamps left
3 vamps vs 4 nightmares/Win/
         /3 vamps left
3 vamps vs 4 efreeti/Win/
         /3 vamps left
3 vamps vs 6 ogre magi/Win/
         /3 vamps left
3 vamps vs 3 cyclopes/Win/
         /3 vamps left

RESULTS:
9 wins
2 loses
*When the vamp won he never got any casualities!

Feel free to post your favorite creatures results!
                   
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Nidhgrin
Nidhgrin


Honorable
Famous Hero
baking cookies from stardust
posted August 24, 2002 09:36 PM
Edited By: Nidhgrin on 24 Aug 2002


Cool!  I've been testing Vamps against Black Dragons once.
Turns out 5 vamps can kill 1 black dragon, 50 vamps always beat 10 black dragons, 500 vamps don't have the slightest difficulty beating 100 black dragons, and even suffer minor losses.  Once their attack+retaliation becomes equal or greater than the amount of damage they receive from the dragons, the dragons lose.  It's amazing to see.  Vamps are especially strong in numbers, it's a cumulative figure.  When you then take into account that it's so easy to get big numbers of vampires...

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Klauts
Klauts


Famous Hero
lost in a mourning hall!
posted August 24, 2002 09:40 PM

Yea once they are many They take hilarious damage(like -20..+20).

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HappyPike
HappyPike


Known Hero
Pikeman
posted August 24, 2002 10:08 PM

cool stats. Did you use auto-combat for the battles?

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Klauts
Klauts


Famous Hero
lost in a mourning hall!
posted August 24, 2002 10:21 PM

Nope battled my self (me vs me) honestly!
p.s i fought my best for both!

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Largo_LeGrande
Largo_LeGrande


Promising
Known Hero
from the Carribean
posted August 25, 2002 05:54 AM

More info about vampires.

With 1 zombie (and it appears to happen with 1 sprite too) you can kill as many zombies (maybe skeletons, dwarves, mummies and even gold golems too!) you like to kill if they are in one stack, there is no one else and the got no movement bonuses on the terrain and it isn't a siege/bridge combat. It can also debend on the obstacles aswell. You just wait, attack, run, wait, attack, run... with the no retallion and high speed and movement you can kill for example 10,000 zombies with only 1 sprite.

P.S. I have tested this for vampire<->zombies in a accident where my vampire stack was attacked by a wandering army of zombies. I haven't tested the other creatures, but I think they work as well.

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dale
dale


Known Hero
posted August 25, 2002 07:01 PM

Quote:
You just wait, attack, run, wait, attack, run... with the no retallion and high speed and movement you can kill for example 10,000 zombies with only 1 sprite.



This is a technique that works quite well even against multiple stacks of slow creatures.   If you keep all of your other creatures out of the way, you can just keep flying from side to side and the zombies will follow, but never reach you.   If you get the zombies close enough to your other stacks, then they might start going for them instead of your flyer though.

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Soulblighter
Soulblighter


Hired Hero
Awww
posted August 26, 2002 02:58 PM

yeah - I tested a month ago that hit & run strategy - it really works (of course with no retaliation)
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Klauts
Klauts


Famous Hero
lost in a mourning hall!
posted August 26, 2002 09:22 PM

But,hit & run can be risky!When enemy has good morale it's impossible to win like that!

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Klauts
Klauts


Famous Hero
lost in a mourning hall!
posted August 31, 2002 09:20 PM

This is a very close fight:
test 1
1 Sea crt vs 1 Mantis/ Sea creature wins
test 2
1 sea crt vs 1 mantis/ Mantis wins
test 3
2 sea crt vs 2 mantises/ Sea crt win
test 4
3 sea crt vs 3 matises/Mantises win

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Wub
Wub


Responsible
Famous Hero
posted September 02, 2002 01:57 AM

Creature comparison

Your tests are really interesting, Klauts. I would, however, not put too much faith in them. They may give an  indication of which unit is better, but I can easily think of 10 factors that make comparing creatures these way not very valid. I do think that you will find this thread very interesting (I did):

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=4324

Letting creatures fight this way can show really interesting things, but I can think of better ways to compare them. Thanx anyway for the time you spent on it.



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Shadow_Elf
Shadow_Elf


Wandering Thief
posted September 02, 2002 02:02 AM

hydras would work well inhit and run weven vs 2 opponents
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Wub
Wub


Responsible
Famous Hero
posted September 02, 2002 02:16 AM

Quote:

hydras would work well inhit and run weven vs 2 opponents



Sometimes you can indeed exploit the hydra's specialties and sometimes you can't. I think that (almost) all creature specialties are dependent on situational factors. For example: Phoenixes beat Black dragons with their fire resistance. Black dragons beat faeries with their magic resistance. Faeries beat Hydra's since they have time to cst spells. Hydra's beat....and so on (I guess...). I'd rather compare units differently.
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Medusa
Medusa


Famous Hero
Yeah, right
posted September 02, 2002 03:28 PM

Not bad!

I've recently tried combats of all 1st level creatures. so the centaurs and the bersercers were the strongest, and peasants and imps- the weakest
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cabot
cabot

Tavern Dweller
posted September 02, 2002 04:10 PM

hello

I think Klauts that the test you did shows nothing it was the waste of time it's only my opinion but the time you spent on doing the test you would better spend with friends and beer and homm4 on hot seat )) and  fairy dragon wins with phoenix which has protection from fire but it doesn't protect from lightning which is fire spell strange ?!?!
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Klauts
Klauts


Famous Hero
lost in a mourning hall!
posted September 02, 2002 10:05 PM

Waste of time??
I did that to have smth to do,I was so bored....
And I know this isn't the best way to compare but nothing is perfect!

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Destro23
Destro23


Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
posted September 10, 2002 03:40 PM

Just for the record Cabot .. Lightning is a CHAOS spell.. no longer "fire magic"..

So it makes perfect sense that the phoenix is affected..

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Wolfman
Wolfman


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Insomniac
posted September 11, 2002 02:47 AM

Nature can't use another castle's magic!

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Destro23
Destro23


Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
posted September 11, 2002 02:16 PM

Ummm wolfman..

Have you played H4 yet??

Any hero as far as I know can use any of the magics.. providing he has the required skills..

And here we were discussing Faerie Dragons I beleive which DO infact come from the Nature town, and DO infact cast the CHAOS spell lightning bolt, among others..

Try it, maybe you'll be surprised LOL

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