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haile73
haile73


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 28, 2002 10:42 AM

Having slept a night over the whole mess, I decided to give my 2 cents also.

To sum it up, I agree with much of WHAT Andi said, but not with HOW he did it.

Cheaters are a pain in the a$$ for every honorable player and everything should be done to detect and boot them.
For my personal taste, there are still too many of them around among the active players. In my opinion, Andi has
all the talents it takes to accomplish that goal, since he is a very good (and, btw, honorable) player and is able to
identify many forms of cheating. Therefore it would be great if his 'advice & wisdom' (quote) could be used in a
constructive way.

The problem is that Andi often expresses his opinion in a very drastic way, usually combined with personal insults.
This makes it hard to use his talents for the good cause. Moreover, it p1sses people off and his arguments (which are
often valid) get ignored. Would be cool if Andi and Ves could talk in private and clear things up.

Actually I can understand Ves to a certain extent. Lol, you spend your hard-earned money and much of your free
time for a tournament based on a game you don't like anymore, and 90%+ of the feedback you get is negative. So,
for a change, here's some positive feedback. I have enjoyed ToH for almost 2 years now; it gave my many pleasant
hours with many nice people. HoMM wouldn't be the same without ToH.

Of course I regret the way season V was closed and I'm still hoping for a re-opening (not very likely though, lol).
Please, Ves, do not delete the records from the games played so far. It would really be a slap into the face of ALL
players who devoted their time to these games. If you really wanna close the season, please post season V rankings
on the history page. I would hate to see my games (although not many) lost in this mess.

I will keep the positive experiences in mind and try to forget about the negative ones. And I hope that H4 multi
doesn't suck. It's up to 3DO...

-haile73
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Aculias
Aculias


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted August 28, 2002 10:53 AM

Good to see you again Haile but you have to admit there is only so much a person can take & I seen alot of attacks & I know there are eyes everywhere we know known about.
Sure a person with thy exp can be heard but how can you respect a person with thy experience when all he does is put down & treat everyone like dirt.
Someone with his experience with HC etc should not even of said half thy thangs he did but it happened & he believes he is right.
It had to end or all this disrespectful flaming  would never stop.
Just like real life thangs will never stay thy same &  will come to an end.
So unfortunate I feel bad that it had to be this way but it happened lets just wait to see what happens.

Until a person can admit they are wrong even once then nothing can be done.

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Titan_888
Titan_888


Known Hero
Wind of Change
posted August 28, 2002 11:07 AM

maybe toh died!

But homm3 lives forever

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Mad_Unicorn
Mad_Unicorn


Famous Hero
I am a mean person shame on me
posted August 28, 2002 11:16 AM

hmm......

Hate to say this to anyone who WILL take offense to it but this truely was a long time coming.

Ves has put up with alot of chit this i agree with anybody who said he has. It IS his site he has a right to do anything he deems he needs to do to make his site popular(counterproductive right now)

Flipside is... most players saw him as some sort of ego maniac or god... others saw him as a dictator (like ghengis khan oops thats tyrant) Either which way ves developes this attitude towards "his" players unless they are "personal" friends or "volunteers" or too annoying

I commend ves with putting up with it for as long as he did. I would of lasted till season 2 before saying "shut up or get out".

Anybody who knows me knows I have always been against ves or atleast at odds with him and his wife. Different views on things i suppose. I was mulling a saying in my head during season 4... "power corrupts, total power corrupts totally" this is how i saw ves.(still see him this way)

bah i lost my train of thought oh well...
Toh is dead long live 1001 ways for
Heroes 4 might bring toh back from the brink but many wont forget this little incident.
3d0 is a terrible company makes poor decisions i would almost prefer ves taking over 3d0 atleast he knows what works ..... sorta

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Hexa
Hexa


Responsible
Legendary Hero
posted August 28, 2002 12:06 PM

Ofcourse Lich, Jinxer and Tristan (good post, remind me to give u a QP for that later ) made some very good points.

I also think that Andi and Xar made some good points. But like Haile said " the way they did it was not very productive".

I am not gonna quote from everybody what I agree or disagree with.

I for one just didn't see this coming...
...sowhat if Xar and Andi (if they where really the ones responsible for this) complained about ToH..
There have always been people complaining about ToH or about the mods or about the weather ...

Just let them ... they weren't elected to speak on our behave!@

Ohh well .. it is just very said that a tourney which brought so much gaming fun to sooo many people had to be ended (for Homm3) in this way.

Sure I can live with it, but that is not the point.
I just thought that Ves was bigger then that ... u had been taking the "verbal abuse" of members for 4 years now ... why was this so different?@

Greetz,

Hexa

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Titan_888
Titan_888


Known Hero
Wind of Change
posted August 28, 2002 12:59 PM

Because the old man is tired of waiting on homm4 multi ... he doenst give sh.. about homm3 and you peeople... dont you see it.. why you so d... blind lol

sorry if offendend anyone but comeon... you people are like psychatrist... you need to turn the coin 10000000 times to understand things..

your all to blind foos !

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Titan_888
Titan_888


Known Hero
Wind of Change
posted August 28, 2002 01:18 PM

ok let me correct myself abit before i get flamed

first, offcourse ves did care for us, he opened a brand new season V only due to request of the hard-core-homm3'players...

Thank you vesuvius.

also due to amount request and "tossing" from several players he opened division wich become to satisfy all of us...

the tourney was started.. we all prepared our swords and was ready to fight among friends against the deadly skelletons

But... what we all didnt see was that ... Ves is/was the only 1 not satisfied!

and when a amount of players wich made the highest request for divisions start to toss him... started to complain about he runs the tourney it is not hard to understand!

Now, we sit here 95% rest of homm3 players with sadness of whats lost, and who shall we blame because we have nothing to come... atleat i have hard time imagine me playin homm4.

i can only say... Thanks for all of the many years with TOH and its participants (in good and bad times) and to vesuvius.. it was the right thing to do (in your situation not for us) ! i hope multi4 will come out and bring TOH into another erea of glory!

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thevinz
thevinz


Adventuring Hero
posted August 28, 2002 02:15 PM

It wont, H4 wont be a succes, lucky we can still play H3 and just submit like we played an H4 game, it's not fair but we are pushed to act this way.

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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted August 28, 2002 02:28 PM

Whats the point of that? thats the biggest toss ive ever heard Vincent. If you dont like h4 but like h3, play myths. Dont report to h4, wheres the point? You have 0 skills in h4 but you have won 50 games anyway? what a toss.

You are not forced to act anyway, you are big enough and ugly enough to walk away from it all. Dont like h4? walk away, there will 1000's of peeps playing h4 anyway not matter what you say.

What makes you so special?
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SapphireRavyn
SapphireRavyn


Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
posted August 28, 2002 02:36 PM

First of all I would like to apologize for my lack of comment to this point. Several of you have been fishing for a response from someone from Myths and Heroes. Of course most of you were fishing for one from Mandi, but she's on maternity leave for a bit. But I am still here kinda. I have been a little bit distracted as my best friend is here from Norway for the week. I myself was a little blindsided but not surprised about the closing of ToH. I think that I can understand Ves's decision, partially because I have ran a tournament myself for over a year now. It is a rather thankless job and the constant criticism is very, I don't know how to put it, spirit squashing, I guess. For me, reading this thread was a mix of encouragement and disappointment. There were several places where MaH was mentioned, but my name appears no where, lol, only Mandi's. I know that she is more visual then I am, but I am still a full MaH coordinator, sigh. Oh well. In response to everyone's questions about what MaH will and will not be able to do to even this out. Here goes:

Divisions: I would not be opposed to running Divisions through Mah for Homm3. I had planned on opening a Clan season but if Ves is willing to let me open it and is willing to somewhat educate me, I would be willing to do something with it. Clans is somewhat my baby though so I would need some good, trusted volunteers for Divisions. Of course this is if and only if, Ves is willing to let me run it and I have no ideas about how he feels about this as I have not talked to him about it....yet.

Warlords: Is still there and will stay there. It was something I wanted to do and is still something I want to do. It is going to take a little bit to figure out exactly how to change it over now that there are no ToH rankings. The MaH ranks have always been listed but a great majority of you played a lot of games that did not count for both ToH and MaH so your ranks are not the same. I am checking out several options on how to straighten this problem out and will be posting a thread on the ToH board later today about it.

Converting Ranks: This is one of the options I am exploring mentioned above. I don't know if Ves kept any of the records so I don't know if it is possible or if he is willing to let me convert them. I will ask on behalf of the community and will do what I can but I make no promises.

Automation: As for Myths getting automation, this is one of those things where we are somewhat at the mercy of Ves's benevolence (something all have taken for granted, and apparently wore out). For one thing both Mandi and are, how do I tactfully put it, not very wealthy. She just had a baby and I just inherited 2 teenagers so money is an issue. I know that it could be an option, but I also know that it would take a few hundred dollars to accomplish and to be honest, with Ves as upset as his right now, I don't really feel right asking, besides that is not my way.

ToH Support: There was a question about whether or not Myths would get ToH Support. This is a resounding YES. Ves, despite what all of you may think, is a great guy and has been really wonderful to both Mandi and I since we joined the team. We knew that we would eventually be inheriting (I won't say dumped like chubby, hehe ) the Homm3 ToH players, just now it is happening sooner than we thought and with not as much preplanning as we had originally intended. However, Ves has already offered to help me with anything he can, at least once Mel lets him near the computer again, lol. So yes we will be getting support from ToH and will have the options to run pretty much any of the old ToH tourneys (cept maybe divs, but we'll see).

One last comment. I commend players like Zud, Jinxer, LichKing, Frank, Aculias and many others that manage to make there opinions known without bashing. There is a fine line between constructive criticism, criticism, and bashing and personal attacks. I think many of the players have forgotten that and have lost site of that line. Bashing and personal attacks only tear things down. Criticism and more importantly constructive criticism (ie. private emails) serve to shore up problems and feed the administration with ideas. I have no time for the first and welcome much of the second. My door, or shall I say email box is always open, and if you have an idea, send it to me.


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jb239
jb239


Famous Hero
posted August 28, 2002 03:55 PM

after all that was said...

I say, now a big key thing to happen is for h4 multi patch to come out, and be playable.. I think things would settle down greatly if 3do decided to come through for the fans finally.

From what I heard, it was seriously going to be released last week, but they found 2 bugs in the game, and chose to fix them and state the new release date as first week of September. And as I said in another post somewhere else...this could either be a real good sign, or a real bad sign.

good cause it could mean they aren't rushed to release just any old multiplayer patch, so it most likely will come out good and on time if the errors arent major.

bad cause it could mean that they know there are errors, and if they arent easily fixed they may just leave them in. as to what the errors are? no clue...

and to those who hate h4? h3 still around and tourneys around that support it, so this doesnt effect you really

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Grythandril
Grythandril


Famous Hero
who is a Chaotic Wizard
posted August 28, 2002 04:19 PM

We must not argue amongst ourselves.

This will results in a spilt down the middle with two factions.

This might cause growing resentments between players and the result could be appalling.  

The TOH is ves's site and what ever the cause of this closure is, we must respect his decision until Heroes IV patch is up and running.

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hamsi128
hamsi128


Promising
Supreme Hero
tosser tavern owner
posted August 28, 2002 04:42 PM

when heroes 4 patch comes out and playable no problem but there is another side of coin... if multipatch is not good, if heroes 4 gameplay is not become popular, if heroes 4 wont be supported by players and if heroes 4 forgotten after 2 months what will happen to TOH ? i dont want that toh becomes deserted because of heroes 4.

I hope we dont lose our friendship and relations between us , all TOHers.... and i hope heroes 4 patch will be good so vesuvius all efforts wont be for nothing.

as i said before in deleting threads that its robert simyar league. He give all his efforts for this tournement ... and i hope heroes 4 patch will be a perfect patch because if it is crap , all our games canceled during ghost season 5 will be for nothing.

i wait too for september for multipatch, i hope it is worth becus if its not, TOH comes near end after all these ''accidents'' and this possibility really sucks.

best regards to all TOHers,
hamsi128 , your lovely randomplayer


p.s. sorry for my absurd english i tried my best to tell my feelings about closure...

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
*****
posted August 28, 2002 04:52 PM
Edited By: Jinxer on 28 Aug 2002

No Offense Vinz but you pretty much told us you cannot be trusted and that you are not an honorable honest person. So I think that we should start the new season up with thevinz marked as rejected from participating.

You are exactly the type of player that XARFAX was talking about.  The type of player that will cheat and trick and lie and do ANYTHING they can to ensure the easiest way to the top.  Simply by that one comment you made in that post... it puts doubt on everything you did in previous seasons and makes me wonder if you have really been cheating the entire time as alot of people had claimed.

Just plain Sad.  

Jinxer
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tewilligar
tewilligar


Famous Hero
Just another willigar
posted August 28, 2002 05:30 PM

could we have done more?

 maybe the odd thank you was all the man wanted....
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melissa_X
melissa_X


Adventuring Hero
Tiffany Taylor
posted August 28, 2002 05:43 PM

blub to dictatorship

u must be joking when u think rob's ego or a feeling of 'dictatorship' goes to his head when he runs toh.  For those of u where internet is ur life i can understand that, but if u get a feeling of power with the remote control watching TV nightly well thats as far as rob went with a powertrip.  he has a lot more going on u know? almost nobody in is life even knows the existence of toh and what he does for it.

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RedSoxFan3
RedSoxFan3


Admirable
Legendary Hero
Fan of Red Sox
posted August 28, 2002 05:59 PM

This website is owned by Val. Ves shouldn't be allowed to delete everything about TOH in a Heroes Community website, not a TOH website.

When Val gets back, I'm gonna have to talk about a certain mod being irrepsonible. This isn't the first time either. If you all remember that porn link.
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jb239
jb239


Famous Hero
posted August 28, 2002 06:12 PM

Redsoxfan..even tho it is Val's Board in a whole..the section called TOH is for TOH, and Im sure Ves can do anything he wants with it, that doesn't break the code of conduct. I havent read the code..wonder if anyone ever does? but Im sure the porn thing and deletion of threads are by far 2 different things that you cant compare.

on to other stuff...Would be interesting to see what happens if H4 fails. But Ves, like some of us out there do see potential in H4. Only thing I want from 3do is a few of them gameplay bugs fixed, and multiplayer that works. plain and simple, and from that I know I will like heroes 4. I love many of the gameplay changes, and find more strategy within it. So, if 3do doesnt screw us over again, I think TOH H4 will be just fine, and those who like H3 still will have places to play.

and if H4 fails cause of 3do? Ves can always go back to heroes 3 if he wanted to...and I bet tons would rejoin. so what if you lost your season 5 rankings? not like you get paid for doin it or fame or anything lol. but they prolly stored somewhere anyways

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madmartigan
madmartigan


Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
posted August 28, 2002 06:22 PM
Edited By: madmartigan on 28 Aug 2002

very irrelevant but I gotta say.

Those who defend Ves. claim that ToH was closed down becuz of negative criticism.

Can you pls tell me who posted that negativity about ToH?
Andi?

Yes.

If there is a bad apple in your whole basket of apples, do you throw away the whole basket or the bad apple alone?

I am not trying to make a judgement here for the closure of ToH. That is, I do not care about who was responsible for this tragedy. Or if there was any guilt or not.

What I am pissed of is the majority is burnt becuz of minority.

Ves/Mel claim that ToH is closed because of the negativity on ToH board (which we do not have anymore)

Was there negativity on division threads? Ppl argued about rules. Noone said "divisions sux... Ves cant handle divisions" etc.

Was there negativity  on HoS and HC threads? by andi, yes. But all other ppl stated their opinions. They said HoS should be brought back. Is this not constructive criticism?

I can understand Ves why is pissed of. Yes, I am disappointed since we lost ToH. But I am not angry with Ves. since he closed it.

I am mad at him, becuz he tried fight fire with fire. He killed the whole lot becuz of several bad apples. (several out of thousands)

H3 or H4, who cares. We are ("were" suits better) ToH'ers. Andi says volunteers suck. who cares?

I myself know that there is not another Lichking around.

Andi claims that deth8 cannot handle HC. Bah, I did not have a single e-mail unanswered which I sent to deth. ANdi says deth8 is not suitable becuz he does not play homm3 anymore. I wonder which footbal team sacks their manager since he does not play footbal anymore.

The next day of the closure, Motor tells us that he received an e-mail from deth8 about a dispute. Is that an inactive HC? I dont think so.


And the closing of threads: the biggest shame of Ves is that we have to talk about this issue here in library.

Pls do not claim that those threads - kuma's threads - were closed because they contained negativity. That would be a huge lie.

Whatever. Homm3ToH is dead, and I think noone wants it back-not anymore

GL to you all with H4
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splexx
splexx


Known Hero
posted August 28, 2002 07:06 PM

Holy Overreaction Batman!!

First of all...
@Xarfax..how drunk were you??to start such a stupid thread!!

Secondly...
@Ves..with all due respect.. man double up on the Prozac! One day divisions open and everything is positive, next day screw it all??

Third...
@Andi..since you've bashed every site that supports Homm3, where you gonna play now? lol

Ves, I can certainly understand your frustration with 3DO, but that is no reason to fly off the handle and make such a high handed decision, thus disapointing the 3000 or so fans of Homm3 ToH.

I have a hard time believing that crap talk on msg. board and Zone is the reason for this. You know a toss when you see one.

It is not said often enough how much we appreciate the time, effort and expense involved in coordinating such a great tournament. You must realize that or why else would we be on your site practically EVERY day.

Andi is just a tosser and we all know it.  If he hated ToH why would he play it every day?
Xarfax, well he is just an arsehole, no denying that!

I know eventually ToH must progress past Homm3, but now is not the time.
Without any knowledge of how or if Homm4 will play, ToH could stay dormant for months to come.

I'm sure that Kitty and Raven will do an awesome job when they take over Homm3, but it's quite obvious they are not fully prepared as of yet.

Ves, if your intent was to show us who's Boss?
Well I think I can safely speak on behalf of the entire Heroes Community when I say..WE GOT THE MESSAGE!!!

Try to remember back to the days when you were addicted to Homm3, staying up all nite to play, etc...

Just because you have moved on to another game, don't punish us who view the game as similar to chess,,a classic that never gets old!!

I sincerely hope that once you've calmed down you will reconsider you decision. OK I'm groveling now..but ToH Homm3 is worth it IMO.

Don't forget, despite what a few say, Rob, you still have Legions of fans!!
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