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Nidhgrin
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posted December 10, 2002 01:52 PM |
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Yep, those are a couple of names that would already be a whole lot better. Mire Dragon could also do for example, or if they'd shift the color a bit: Dusk Dragon, Gloom Dragon, Lava Dragon, Shadow Dragon, Frost Drake, Cavern Dragon, ...
They could have given this creature a way cooler name. I don't have any problems with adding another dragon to heroes 4, it's the name "Mega Dragon" I find highly repulsive. I don't understand why they've done that, I really hope they choose to change it still.
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ancubis
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posted December 10, 2002 01:57 PM |
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If that dragon breaths FIRE instead of ACID or POISON GAS it would be even worse..
The original BLACK dragons(Which should be named Demon, Choas or SHadow Dragons) already breath fire...
Green color means forest, acid, nature and poison... And NOT fire.. althought I already know what it breaths.. Fire........
LOL a green dragon that breaths fire! That's the most stupid thing I ever saw!! Such dragons come from camelot and prince arthur stories.... not from modern fantasy..
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csarmi
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posted December 10, 2002 02:00 PM |
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What do you think about that name, "Mega Dragon"?
I've never heard of anything that is more stupid. Have they lost their mind? The other creature names are very annoying, too. I was already upset by "Gargantuan". What kind of name is this?
Jeez, what will be the next? Gyrocopter?
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Lich_King
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posted December 10, 2002 02:46 PM |
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I was wondering...
There are 3 shooters in Haven, but in Necropolis there is only one (and not a lich  ) greenish toxic waste pile, which spits itself. And why they have done another mechanical thing, which shoots ? And how it is suposed to be "Life", when It will have the same number of Mechanicals as there are in Order ? Order should have those mech thingies....
P.S Mega Dragon is the most [Code of Conduct breaching rules material removed] name I ever heard !!!!
So why just can't we call it "Super duper mega turbo dragon 3000" ? Jesus, what's wrong with you NWC people ?
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csarmi
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posted December 10, 2002 03:37 PM |
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These are Life-supported things made by civilization while Golems are magical.
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Kelly_Bundy
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posted December 10, 2002 04:06 PM |
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I think the name Mega-Dragon sounds silly, but not stupid.
The mega-part makes me wanna have it in my armies already!
I don't know what that new might creature is all about, but on that screenshot it looks nice.
The Catapult is much like the ballista wich I dislike and thought was already unnecessary, now there is another gargantuan, cyclops, area attack creature and it's not even goodlooking if you ask me...
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Lich_King
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posted December 11, 2002 08:15 AM |
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These are Life-supported things made by civilization while Golems are magical.
Well, If you ask me, I see Order simply more advanced in civilization, than Life.
And Golems are not magical anymore. Did you saw thier speciality: Mechanical ! And So Is the Dragon Golem, Balista...
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Grythandril
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posted December 12, 2002 01:04 PM |
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Why is it called a Mega Dragon?
Sounds like something out of the Godzilla Movies.
It looks like a Green Dragon to me.
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csarmi
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posted December 12, 2002 01:39 PM |
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Well, If you ask me, I see Order simply more advanced in civilization, than Life.
I couldn't disagree more :-))
Life: Mid-Age civ.
Order: something like that, but from the magical part (which do not exist in reality)
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And Golems are not magical anymore. Did you saw thier speciality: Mechanical ! And So Is the Dragon Golem, Balista...
Golem's and Dragon Golems are created by magic. They are completely different from Ballista and Catapult in my point of view.
The thing that all of these are called mechanical does not matter. All are non-living, all were created by mankind but in a different way.
Am I being clear?
Anyways, I really like that they want to throw in Catapults. However, they look silly.
Their stats are amazing, anyways. Something like this:
Attack: 30 Defense: ? Damage: 25-30.
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Lich_King
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posted December 13, 2002 09:19 AM |
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Golem's and Dragon Golems are created by magic. They are completely different from Ballista and Catapult in my point of view.
The thing that all of these are called mechanical does not matter. All are non-living, all were created by mankind but in a different way.
Am I being clear?
No. Golems and Dragon Golems are not magical anymore (I don't know about Golems, but I'm sure about DG). A non-living animated "thing" is called "ELEMENTAL", It's a statue (like Gargyle) or an element (like Elementals) and they have "elemental" property and Morale. If Golem would be animated through magic it also would be an elemental creature. In previous series Golems were animated through magic indeed, but now I don't think so. Still Golems can be animated with magic, but DG is not animated. If they were, they would't need a operator to "drive them".
Is it clear ? 
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Agent00BLeRD
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posted December 13, 2002 01:28 PM |
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Well if you look closely, you'll see that dragon golems have those red dwarves sitting on them. Which makes me wonder, how come those DWARVES aren't affected by spells that affect other normal creatures like poison. That is to say, how does the dragon golem mechanical specialty carryover to the dwarves? 
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Lith-Maethor
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posted December 13, 2002 02:05 PM |
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new creatures....
lets see what they are trying to sell us...
Goblin Knight:um... below average... name doesn't help either...
Evil Sorceress: excuse me?
Gargantuan: needs new name...
Dark Champion: excellent! (could also be Dread Knight)
Frenzied Gnasher: um, yeah whatever... change the name and i may reconsider.... (I like its looks)
Catapult: "yawns"
Megadragon: should make it upgradable to SuperUltraMegadragon with heat seeking misiles and laser blasters... give me a ******* break!!!!
bottomline... even when NWC gets creative they screw things up with stupid names... it wouldn't be that hard to bring back a few old creatures from HoMM1-3 and add a few new ones... but when they give us stupid excuses for creatures like "goblin knight or "evil sorceress" they insult our intelligence and taste... what will they put in the next expansion (or even HoMM5)? ...High Grand Wood Elves with infrared vision and Patriot arrows? puh-leeese
I'm not paying for these expansions unless they decide to get serious about their job... but then again maybe I should be more realistic... what can i expect from a company that knows not how to promote it's own games... if only 3DO stayed away from NWC... "sighs"
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aces170
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posted December 14, 2002 12:15 PM |
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why cant the game remain pure fantasy theme based....
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ILoveHOMM
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posted December 16, 2002 05:39 PM |
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But these creatures are overpowered. Evil Sorceress maybe is weak, but her spells can be devastating. GARGANTUAN is nonsence 1st.Another lvl.4 creature to Nature aligment, when Life and Chaos have only two lvl.4 creatures. 2nd. The gargantuan throws rocks. Two !!!!!
It's almost imposible to defeat. ( If you have no confusion and forgetfullness) What do you guys think. ?
I absolutely agree with the Lich_King. The new creatures in the Heroes 3 expansions were not so bad. They are not especially strong, except the Dragons. I don't really like Heroes 4 expansions because they offer only a few creatures, no new towns, and the creatures are very, very strong, unbalancing the game. The funny thing is that they don't include creature dwellings for the new creatures in the Gathering Storm Expansion! Here's what I think...
GARGANTUAN: The most powerful level 4 introduced in the expansion, could potentially be even more deadly than Black Dragons. This creature is much more stronger than Titans. A level 4 with an area ranged attack is already very powerful. The worst part is that it shoots two times as well, rubbing salt to your wounds. I'll rather face Black Dragons than these "Giant Earth Elementals".
DARK CHAMPION: I don't like this creature's name. HOMM is fun and interesting in a sense that every creature has an unique identity. It gets pretty boring when you have "Dark Champions" and "Champions". Why don't they call it Dread Knights or any other names. Anyway, having the ability to cast Terror more than once is very unfair. Imagine an army with 7 stacks of Dark Champions. Your army will be mostly immobilised when they charge at you. Of course, they have a Jousting/Charging bonus to add to that effect. Deadly I would say.
Evil Sorceress: Another name with no sense of creativity. The "evil" part has already being taken by the Evil Eyes. Teleporting and Spell Casting abilites will make the Evil Sorceress extremely hard to catch against slow moving creatures. Better not go one on one with the evil one using a Barbarian Class Hero with no archery skills.
Goblin Knight: Good, we have 3 "Knights" in the game now! Other than a lack of creativity, this creature is OK as it does not have any abilities that make it too powerful in the game.
Bad expansion set. Why create new creatures when you can't easily recruit them since there are no dwellings? I don't know of any way to recruit them yet.
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csarmi
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posted December 16, 2002 06:56 PM |
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I guess you can make a script that adds them.
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Djive
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posted December 16, 2002 09:22 PM |
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Have you lost it????
I can put down a lot of things that I think NWC should change to make the game better.
However, name changes to creatures in the expansions would come somewhere close to place #1000 on my list.
I can at least understand complaints on poor animations and strange positions/stances taken by creatures, but strange names.... ???
What has names got to do with game-play and strategy, or even enjoyment of the game? *sighs*
Besides I don't think the names are all that bad, and if you can't come up with better things to complain on then I think you should seriously consider to bow down and praise NWC instead!
A few more things:
Winds of War will contain six new creature dwellings (announced in The Round Table forum). This means that all except one of the new creatures in TGS and WoW will have an external dwelling, and also that all the creatures will be available in WoW.
IMO dwellings for external only creatures will have to give a bit better creatures those that can be acquired in towns. In towns you can boost production with Nobility, not so for external dwellings. Besides, you will normally be able to build your own level X building sooner than you can flag an external one, so the town dwelling will produce more XP worth of creatures. Therefore, to maintain usability of an external only creature the external dwelling will need to produce better creature material.
That said: we don't know which production rates will be used for the external dwellings. Perhaps, you get only 1 / week as for the black dragon, or perhaps you get 3 in two weeks. Besides, in order to recruit some of these monsters you must first take care of the guards.
If they do it right then a level 4 dwelling will always produce the same amount of XP per week, that way it doesn't matter too much which creatures you get. (It's probably more important to get an allied creatture or the own alignment than to get a "better" creature of a hostile alignment.
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Nidhgrin
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posted December 17, 2002 02:16 AM |
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I don't think you get the point here Djive. Sure, the ridiculous name "Mega Dragon" has got something to do with it. But it's SO much more than that! There is a general feeling of 3do squeezing the money out of its gamers, and with the lightest amount of effort possible. That is what I refuse to accept, and looking at the mood of some of the people who posted in this thread, I feel that I am not alone with this opinion. You can regard the name "Mega Dragon" as the last drop, this does it! I never heard a more uninspired name in my life. And from its looks it seems like an ordinary green dragon to me. Have they fired all of their conceptual designers? I don't understand it, and can only hope they find better sources of inspiration for the future of the HOMM series.
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Joel
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posted December 17, 2002 03:02 AM |
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"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other word would smell as sweet."
--Romeo and Juliet, II:2
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csarmi
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posted December 17, 2002 10:08 AM |
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Djive
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posted December 17, 2002 06:36 PM |
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The name Megadragon is not new. It has been used in 2-3 installments of the Might and Magic series already. I don't see the need to make an outcry about a name that has seemingly been prefectly acceptable in several games already.
Even if you feel this is the last drop, complain about what is your real problems with the game and not about small details as this one.
The list of complaints and discussions about this little detail in the game is simply out of all proportions.
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