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Wolfman
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posted October 25, 2002 05:32 PM |
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Exactly! Glad someone figured it out.
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Wub
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posted October 25, 2002 06:49 PM |
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Without things like the WTC and auto accidents the world would be over populated quicker.
I don't want to offend you or something, Wolfman, but this sounds scary. You probably don't mean it that way, but you suggest that terrorism and car accidents are actually a blessing. But imagine that a friend of yours died, how happy would you feel when I would say: 'Well, luckily we have some more space to live now'. A similar way of reasoning is: 'We shouldn't develop any new medicines anymore, because they are only making the viruses stronger'. These pronunciations come awfully close to nazism. Please think about this.
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bjorn190
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posted October 25, 2002 07:05 PM |
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Maybe we can fight fire with fire?
Identify all the terrorists, and then do the following in retaliation:
1. Torture them to death for a year or 2
2. Kill their families
3. Kill their close friends
4. Burn their homes.
There´s no reason not to fight terror with terror. Not as long as god doesn´t intervent in time. I´m pretty sure actions like these would reduce the amount of terror attacks. Or at least make the victims feel better.
The world is real.
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privatehudson
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posted October 25, 2002 07:29 PM |
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Bjorn not want to put a damper on you but in many cases that is what we do or have done to some of these terrorists!
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bjorn190
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posted October 25, 2002 10:32 PM |
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Yep...
And I could never do something like that.
The worst that someone can possibly do to you,
is to make you hate.
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Lich_King
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posted October 25, 2002 10:55 PM |
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News news !!!
The terrorists has just announced, that they'll begin to shoot the hostages in about 9 hours. They said, that they are preapeared to die anyway, so they don't care hoe many peaople will perish...
And another thing: Our deary Sadamn has anounced:
Chechens ! Russia is not your enemy, your true enemy is USA and Israel, don't fight Russia.... (Ass kisser)
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Motorschaaf
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posted October 26, 2002 01:50 AM |
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Wolfman is a fool
i really wonder why he doent get a qp- for posting such a dump crap....oups i forgot the sucking supermod hexa doesnt judge the content of a post he is just looking for mean words like snow snow snow snow snow snow snow....but is this really as worse as someone who sais - "hey cool the terrorists are fighting against the mass population..." i really wonder what would be if wolfman would say to a mother who just lost his child to terrorists....
shame on ya
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bobntamr1
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posted October 26, 2002 02:03 AM |
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my 2 cents...
i would just like to say that i feel for the russian people and hope and pray for the best.
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chubby051
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posted October 26, 2002 02:04 AM |
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...a mother who just lost his child to terrorists....
Motorschaaf
Hmmmmm, not sure about you, but my mom is a "her". 
On a serious note, i agree with Motor here. That comment wasn't very classy. It is just like saying that the holocaust helped keep population down. No matter how you look at it, it was a crappy thing to say.
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IYY
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posted October 26, 2002 02:21 AM |
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It's not like wolfie has no point, but it's just very cruel to think that way. It's how we think about animals, or bacteria, not humans! We have souls, we have emotions, we are individuals! If you were to die by a terror act, would you want people to say "we didn't need him anyway, we needed to get rid of a couple of millions anyway"?
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Mad_Unicorn
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posted October 26, 2002 03:12 AM |
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I hate coming in late to a thread but....
about population control....
In all honesty do you really care if 100's people died today in motor accidents? or from cancer or aids? I HIGHLY doubt it.
We are a selfish species if we do not know you in any wich way then all you become is a number added to more numbers. If we do know you then its tragic.
9/11 was tragic for many reasons but since nobody i knew was involved in the whole thing i care a little less about than somebody who lost a father/mother.
I think a plague would be better for population decimation tho.... if this new plague be terrorism so be it.
btw motor i smoked a nice cigarette today just doing what i can to help an over populated earth 
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I guess with my way thinking I would be going to hell. Good thing I dont believe in it.
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IYY
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posted October 26, 2002 03:19 AM |
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Maybe you don't care, I know that many people don't, but I do care. When somebody on earth suffers needlessly I care, and when somebody dies from terrorism or something, I care! Of course I can't know about every individual case, but when I hear that 100 people died, I know that 100 individuals died.
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csarmi
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posted October 26, 2002 10:53 AM |
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First, I agree with Wolfman. He does have a point. Although it sounds scary, but this is the truth. Intra-specific competition is there to limit the population. The higher population, the higher competition. Don't you know what happens when you put too much rats in a cage?
However, terrorism has no significant losses. I mean, the number of people died due to terrorism is unnoticable. That is, if we bother to make a difference between war and terrorism. Why do we bother anyways? (Of course I know the answer - Nobody wants to hate onself. If you like someone, he fights a "necessary war" or "war against terrorims" (how stupid!) or "good war", if not, he is "terrorist" or "mad" or "uses weapons which...", etc. It is just human again.)
The only real difference between war and terrorism is that the second one has far less victims.
As for fighting terror with terror - it's just stupid. Maybe just human. Thinking like this is the thing that leads to terrorism, wars and other kind stuff. But I have no illusions - it is very human.
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It's not like wolfie has no point, but it's just very cruel to think that way.
Agreed, so far.
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It's how we think about animals, or bacteria, not humans!
So why? I see no difference between you. You think about animals that way? Very sad. Maybe even worse, cause you're talking about one thing and just doing the other!
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We have souls, we have emotions, we are individuals!
And so do they, as far as we know it. But we have to eat, we have to make our terrible experiments, don't we?
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If you were to die by a terror act, would you want people to say "we didn't need him anyway, we needed to get rid of a couple of millions anyway"?
Of course - no.
But what if you were bombed to death in Iraq? What if you were a monkey or a rat in a labour?
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posted October 26, 2002 12:06 PM |
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Problem resolved. Russians have infiltrated and killed terrorists.
Instead of declaring war on terrorism, screaming the whole world together in an- ultimatly worthless effort- to mobilize against the personal enemys of 1 nation, enemys they themselves are responsible for, cutting all diplomatic relations, cancelling all treatys, Putin resolved the matter personally. I sense a remnant of the old sovjet here...
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csarmi
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posted October 26, 2002 12:39 PM |
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Yes, but much people have died. It was a big luck I think that the terrorists did not manage to blow up the whole thing.
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Shadow_Elf
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posted October 26, 2002 01:13 PM |
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privatehudson
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posted October 26, 2002 03:49 PM |
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That was my point in defending wolfman. It's a terrible thing to think of, but it is correct unfortunately. Of course you don't mention this to someone who has just lost their family to terrorism/the actions of some overzealous army, but that does not diminish the point.
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Odvin
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posted October 26, 2002 04:20 PM |
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Yes, but much people have died. It was a big luck I think that the terrorists did not manage to blow up the whole thing.
They've used the sleeping gas first, that's why there was almost no resistance. But this gas killed 67 people by now, and it seems like some others will die in hospitals.
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IYY
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posted October 26, 2002 05:40 PM |
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Human lives vs. animal lives
Maybe you are right and animals do have emotions as much as humans, but I don't think so. It's not like i'm saying that animals have no emotions, and I never do anything to harm animals in any way (I had several pets and treated them very well) but I can see that animals have a far more simple brain: they just think in terms of living, eating and reproducing. I've never seen a wolf not attack a deer because it feels sorry for him, and never seen lab rats crying about one of them that died.
Sorry, but I don't think that animals are the same as people.
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bort
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posted October 26, 2002 06:04 PM |
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War/terrorism is not an effective means of population control. All it does it cause a lot of needless suffering and pain. 4,000 is meaningless on a global scale. The 21,000,000 -> 42,000,000 -> 84,000,000 is a bit misleading since the original 21,000,000 would be dying off by the time 84,000,000 happened and, once again, even 100,000,000 is peanuts next to 6,000,000,000 and counting. PLUS, what happened after WWII in most of the industrialized nations? Baby boom. Not very bloody good population control. There was also a mini baby boom in the US about 9-10 months after 9/11. Not very bloody good population control. The "well at least wars keep the population down" is not only cruel, but it's innacurate.
The only effective way to control population (unless you want to be killing people off at a truly absurd rate) is to reduce birth rates. The simplest way to do this is to make sure that in all of those poor nations with really high birthrates that girls are getting to school. I'm not a feminist, but it does take a freakin' genius to see a correlation between women who for instance 1. know the connection between sex and baby 2. is empowered enough to actually have a say in reproductive decisions and 3. have enough skills to want to and be able to support themselves rather than have to be reliant upon a husband that essentially owns them and increased wealth and lower birth rates. Why do you think Western nations have for all intensive purposes 0 population growth?
Anyway, on topic - I hear the US news reports, but I really want to know from Russians and, if there are any on the board the Chechen view of the Russian-Chechen conflict. What's it really about? I actually do want the biased, opinionated version since I really don't get the chance to hear it in this case normally.
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