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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Most useless hero in heroes3
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Wub
Wub


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Famous Hero
posted November 03, 2002 03:50 PM

Great explanation, sos, thanks. Because the answer seemed so easy to me at first, I was already suspecting I overlooked something in the definition of armorer and offense. Now I see that there are too many situational factors to say which is better; armorer or offense. Time for me to look some threads up in the library I guess!
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craighack
craighack


Known Hero
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posted November 04, 2002 08:11 PM

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I'll admit, when I play, I like to take my time; I'm not in a hurry to end the game. I suppose if I jumped in the "fast lane," I'd probably go with Fortress instead of Tower.

What's this "zone" to which you're referring?


Yuup... Back to the old single player vs multi-player.

In multi... there is no such thing as taking your time.
I know this sounds harsh... but.... Playing against Ryche, Andy or Destro, you Magic him Might, your chance of winning the game on any size map is... well.... none.

If you switched to might, your chances are uhhhh.... none.

Not a flame my friend, just the facts. New multi players ALL learn this very quickly. Those pretty pictures of Archangels on your score sheet are meaningless to multi players.

It's not that Multi players are ultimately better at the game. They are much better in multi tho!
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Djive
Djive


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Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
posted November 04, 2002 08:42 PM
Edited By: Djive on 4 Nov 2002

Crag Hack's speciality doesn't give bonuses to shooters (unless said shooters engage in melee where they have the melee penalty). Stronghold has 2 shooters.

The Cyclops can do a lot of damage assuming you get enough crystals to build them early on, but are as i said not affected. Orcs are hmmm... overall not that useful.

Armorer affects both ranged and melee attacks. So all damage is reduced by 15%.

Offence also gives a maximum of 30% increase, but the bonus is less than 30% if attacker's attack skill is higher than defender's defence skill. (Look at one of Thunder's Behold: Battle of XXXX to see how this is counted out.)

The speciality increases the percentages to more than 15% for armorer and more than 30% for offence.

If you look at the Behemoth, then their special is ideally suited to deal with Fortress troops (these have high defence and low attack), but the Armorer speciality is probably the best defence against them. That and the Shield spell. (Because the damage reduction for these are applied on the dealt damage, and thus the benefit from them is not reduced by the Behemoth's special.)

Edit: oopps... Seems sos already had explained most of this.

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csarmi
csarmi


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posted November 04, 2002 09:56 PM

One more thing to add. There is a huge difference between doing more damage or decreasing the enemy troops' damage.

Just try fighting with 10 AB's against 10 Titans and you'll see.

i hope you get my point.

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HeyYou
HeyYou


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posted November 04, 2002 11:22 PM

Well, I imagine I would be pleasantly impressed by the level of competition I'd get from some of the players here. I'll try to free up some time to arrange that.

10 AB vs. 10 Titans? Well, the Titans would get one shot in before the ABs got there. I suppose it might get a little messy after that though.

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csarmi
csarmi


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posted November 05, 2002 09:45 AM

2 shots, to be precise. It does matter how many of your AB's are alive after the free shots.

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UncleJR
UncleJR


Adventuring Hero
posted November 05, 2002 07:26 PM

Heretics Suck

Agreed.  At least they didn't make it as a group past the reckoning.

Now they're thieves, or some other type.  Can't really remember, but it's not worth the effort to check.  

:-)


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lordlazy
lordlazy


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Famous Hero
Wood cleaner
posted November 06, 2002 12:19 PM

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Agreed.  At least they didn't make it as a group past the reckoning.

Now they're thieves, or some other type.  Can't really remember, but it's not worth the effort to check.  

:-)




Heretics ruleZ

They advance much in power, and have a decent chance of learning Armorer. (not sure with offense, think armorer is more often)

And armorer is extremely important for a magic hero!


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Wub
Wub


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Famous Hero
posted November 07, 2002 12:23 AM

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Edit: oopps... Seems sos already had explained most of this.



Still thanks for the explanation, Djive. It is amazing how many you can figure out when you know about damage calculation, so I enjoy reading such things anyway. I found that damage calculation is the key to creature comparison and creature comparison is the key to knowing on which units to focus with which town. Once I know that, I already know many about which resource gathering and build order strategies I should follow and which town is good in which situations. I also found that when you are able to translate secondary skills such as armorer and offense to increase in creature performance, it is easier to choose between them. That's why I appreciate your and sos' correction to what I wrote earlier.

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Snogard
Snogard


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posted November 07, 2002 08:05 AM

Sorry to be off-topic.

I suppose I've learned a lot from you guys (especially Djive, SOS, Zhuge) from the Behold: Battle of XXXX threads.  So Djive, do you think we can have another one?  Maybe Wub and some others would like to join in too.  
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sos
sos


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posted November 07, 2002 03:41 PM

we have to ask Thunder to create a new battle, he is the battle master

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_HutijiN_

Tavern Dweller
posted December 30, 2002 08:52 AM

Well the subject was worst hero and i knew Ufertin find himself on the list. Ufertin is the best hero for rampart  so it is sad for him to be there next to piqodram. 1st off, ranger's get great skills, armor offense, logisticts, earth magic, air, they are all common to all rangers. So right there he's beating any castle hero. He level's up well, better in my opinion than the all heavy defense beast masters. Melphala, and  Kyrre might be 2 of best choices, everyone love em. But they still not as cool as ufertin. Does melphala's dwarves get a +1 speed, i don't think so, does kyree start with resistance, nope, i checked, he does not. Where kyree and melphala dread the thought of getting 'stuck' with luck as a skill, ufertin already has it. ANd what about extra 15 dwarves with extra offense,toughness, and speed. It's a good chance they will survive till the final fight where melph's armor skill and kyree's logistics special seemed to get all their dwarves killed. So in the final battle where melphala has much better defense, Ufertin just seems to have extra power coming from somewhere. Maybe that lucky blow from ufertin's 5 gold dragon's really did beat melphala's armor defense when her little implode didn't work. And shooot, why'd those battle dwarves have to get moral. Damn, lucky grand elevs and trees, even the centaur and pegasi got luck, oh well, maybe next time melphala get lucky and have to fight Kyree instead.

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LordLazy
LordLazy


Promising
Famous Hero
Wood cleaner
posted December 31, 2002 05:43 AM

k, Ufretin then, he is the most sucky  (the one only useful defending a castle)

I find all your facts interesting, and they all makes sense, Ufretin is the worst hero... yuppie...

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Dingo
Dingo


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God of Dark SPAM
posted January 21, 2004 09:33 PM

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The worst hero is Crag Hack cause he will have so few spellpoints that he will run out of spells and get blinded.


Sarcasm?
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Vycka1234
Vycka1234


Known Hero
posted January 22, 2004 06:32 PM

someone said about Crag Hack is useless??? every unit gets tought in his army exept for Peasys
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HeyYou
HeyYou


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and beloved food provider.
posted May 15, 2014 02:08 AM

And after all these years...

I still play HoMM3, and still enjoy it. I stumbled upon this thread last night, and saw some of the conversation from over a decade past. So I decided to try Might for a change - just to see what it felt like. Get out of my comfort zone, and just see what happens.

AndiAngelSlayer - I took Fortress, because I like the creatures there, and I took Alkin, because I've always liked the Gorgons. And I have to say - you were right. Might, mixed with just a smidgeon of magic, absolutely dominates. I mean, holy crap. It's like night and day.

So yeah, here I am, 10+ years older, and just a little bit wiser. A toast to you, you big tosser :-P
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DivineClio
DivineClio


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posted May 15, 2014 12:50 PM
Edited by DivineClio at 12:59, 15 May 2014.

csarmi said:
2 shots, to be precise. It does matter how many of your AB's are alive after the free shots.


By AB side i can use teleport+antimagic spell.

By Titan side for a safe win i must:
1)Destroy ballista first turn if the enemy got expert artillery
2)blind the AB for free infinite turn(if we are talking about only Titan vs AB)
3)Use force field for untouchble titan or summon element if the enemy got expert dispel.
Or with clone first turn if i got good atk and archery skill(but isn t common for a tower hero)

Ofc hero with boost damage skill and useless secondary skill are the worst except Luna and Ciele
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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


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posted May 15, 2014 01:50 PM

Holy necromancy, 10 years lol. At least you were part of this discussion back then, that's something.
HeyYou said:
So yeah, here I am, 10+ years older, and just a little bit wiser.

Happens to everyone
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Jaffara
Jaffara

Tavern Dweller
posted May 16, 2014 10:36 PM

THE USELESSNESS of the hero DEPENDS on the map...

if the map is 50% water - Navigation hero is one of the best

if u play for conflux(which is DEPLORABLE) and therefore get 7lvls(Phoenixes) early - u can use FIRST AID specialty to 100% advantage first weeks.

if u play 8xm8 templates - HEROES with 1lvl creature specialty(such as Shakti, Gretching) provide VERY nice start and then may be replaced by others, in case of Shakti it's Dace.


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revolut1oN
revolut1oN


Famous Hero
posted May 17, 2014 01:09 AM

It would be nice to close these "Best" topics, everything has already been said and now only noobs write false things here.

First Aid spec lol.

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