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posted November 23, 2002 04:44 AM |
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Sorry PH but I can't agree with you right now. One of the only reasons that the U.S. is wanting to go into Iraq and remove him first rather than Lukashenka is because of a little feud if you will. Bush vs. Hussein, Hatfield vs. McCoy, I see little difference.
And I'm fairly sure that Belarussia is not communist. Last time I checked there were only 5: Cuba, China, Vietnam, Laos, and I think it's Cambodia.
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posted November 23, 2002 05:59 AM |
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I got to say what a refreashing change! It was really nice to hear some appreciation for the USA and Bush from other countries.
I welcome those nations to NATO. From the positive response of those countries they are far more deserving than so many of the snobs in other parts of the world who take the USA and NATO for granted.
Not only are they snobs...no they go one step further and bash/hate USA at any chance possible....I think we should kick all the snobs out of NATO to hear them cry and learn some appreciation. With allies like some of those back stabbing countries in NATO who needs enemies.
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posted November 23, 2002 10:47 AM |
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And I'm fairly sure that Belarussia is not communist. Last time I checked there were only 5: Cuba, China, Vietnam, Laos, and I think it's Cambodia
Well the status of Belarussia in official way is not coummunist in fact now I think, that Belarussia is not communist either. It's more like... one madman's power... Just look, Belarussia is very poor, like a country and Russia (well, they are poor either but not that poor  ) is not. Don't forget, that those countries were a part of Soviet union...
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posted November 23, 2002 11:33 AM |
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You'll love him if ever Big Brother Russia invades and you suddenly get the whole of the western world defending you though won't you?
Oh, get real! we're in the 21'st century. countries dont get invaded anymore. the war is economical nowadays, not over lands and such like in past times. if you control the markets, you control the economy and thus the population. doh !
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posted November 23, 2002 12:03 PM |
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But the wars are still here, aren't they? Why then here in lithuania all the streets are empty for the bush to be safe? Because there still can be much attacks!
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KaryllCH
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posted November 23, 2002 12:55 PM |
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thats called terrorism 
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Lich_King
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posted November 23, 2002 12:59 PM |
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And NATO is in the war with terrorists.
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posted November 23, 2002 03:05 PM |
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I know. So i rise my both hands for NATO. I don't want any terrorism or anything like that
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posted November 23, 2002 03:09 PM |
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My appologies, there was me thinking the USA was against all dangerous dictators, clearly this is not the case. If this man is supporting terrorism against your allies, surely you are honour bound to remove this dangerous criminal from power as you are so keen to do with Iraq? Or is there further reasons, namely no-one gives a damn about that nation mentioned?
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Not only are they snobs...no they go one step further and bash/hate USA at any chance possible....I think we should kick all the snobs out of NATO to hear them cry and learn some appreciation. With allies like some of those back stabbing countries in NATO who needs enemies.
You really have to learn the difference between honest questioning of your aims and policies and this "bashing" you are so fond of accusing our nation and others of. Nato benefits america as much as it does europe, after all if the EU ever set itself up as a millitary power (something you will recall that america is violently against) do you think we'd need america as much? That might go a little way towards explaining who is more in need of nato, the answer being everyone in it.
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Medusa
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posted November 23, 2002 03:35 PM |
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I don't want any Lukashenka here! And any other madmen! Geez, what's all this thing about GW coming in lt and romania? Is that a miracle or are you just jellous ?
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posted November 23, 2002 04:30 PM |
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And I'm fairly sure that Belarussia is not communist. Last time I checked there were only 5: Cuba, China, Vietnam, Laos, and I think it's Cambodia.
Wolfman, you say communist as if you were speaking about the plague. I know there aren't that many examples of successful communist countries, but then again are capitalist societies always that much better?
Personally I think Bush's visit is a good thing, as are many of the conceptual ideas behind the war on terrorism. I disgust the way it is implemented by the governments worldwide however. The US would better take a look inside first. Unemployment, economical problems, racism, ... there's a lot of work to be done inside the US to give their citizens a better life, they deserve it! Why throw all the money litterally down the drain by organizing and performing military actions accross the world? Killing solves nothing, it only causes more hate which leads to more killing...
As for the expansion of the NATO, that's probably a very good thing. Time will tell if it was, but in unity lies strength and any step towards more unity accross the world is a good one. Good though CraigHack about a worldwide currency, it would take away discrimination of third world countries and would make things a lot easier economically spoken.
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posted November 23, 2002 11:52 PM |
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Well, he's "flashed" through here...lol
I woke up today, turned on the tv, and what do i see? Lo and behold, there he is, GBW, on pretty much every romanian channel and CNN, and prob some others...You'd think he was here to give us a couple of billion dollars for nothing....
Anyway, he came, he spoke, he left...I had the wierd feeling i'm watching Flash Gordon, not a normal human being...
On a more serious side, if nothing else, this NATO acceptance means at leasst we are officially out of russia's sphere of control...As for anything else, i'm still waiting to form an opinion....
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posted November 24, 2002 02:49 AM |
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Wolfman, you say communist as if you were speaking about the plague. I know there aren't that many examples of successful communist countries, but then again are capitalist societies always that much better?
Where did you get "plague" out of that? I was only stating
that there only 5 communist countries in the world.
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posted November 24, 2002 09:24 AM |
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“You really have to learn the difference between honest questioning of your aims and policies and this "bashing" you are so fond of accusing our nation and others of.”
Honest questioning….great lets hear some. I haven’t seen much honest questioning. Furthermore I think allies should question each other privately not publicly. Would you like your friends to critique you in public? I think you mistake “questioning” with accusations….there have been very few honest questions but lots of unabashed accusations that have no merit (i.e. USA is doing this for oil, USA is doing this cause of a recession, USA is doing this to make up for Bush’s daddy, etc). Could you please elaborate how any of those ACCUSATIONS are a question?????
Second the “honest questioning” seems biased from the outset as I elaborate on later.
Lastly please help me understand how when the German government accuses Bush of using “Nazi like tactics” and when a Canadian official calls Bush a “moron” how those are honest questioning???? If that doesn’t sound like bashing to you then I don’t know what would.
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“ if the EU ever set itself up as a millitary power (something you will recall that America is violently against) do you think we'd need America as much?”
First what a choice of words “violently” when have we ever used violence against the EU? Please!
Second the whole EU concept I think is great….it of course shows penis envy and the real reason so many in Europe are so critical of the USA….JEALOUSLY….they want to be the USA….they want to be as powerful as us….Europe is not as powerful as us now either militarily nor economically and that stirs small minded European’s stomachs. Lets be honest this is the crux…..Europe is resentful of the USA’s power. If we are so evil why are you trying to copy us???
The whole EU concept is not about nobility or goodness for its own sake…they only want those nations in it that can provide a strong economic base….they exclude all others. I am not saying that is a bad idea….but please lets get off our high and mighty pedestal and admit the whole EU concept is about two things power and prosperity. It sure isn’t a humanitarian organization dedicated to the betterment of mankind.
The whole jealousy/hatred idea is such a laugh when you think about it…..considering how we have endlessly supported and saved Europe’s butt throughout the years…so what does it get us….scorn and resentment. Reminds me of an ungrateful child….strike that….it is much worse than that… it is like some ugly friend you have that you have been loyal to and given endless support…but since you have the cute girl he ridicules and undermines you despite your friendship….why….because he feels inferior and lacks the character to stand true to his friend…..he is but a weasel.
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posted November 24, 2002 11:57 AM |
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At last ! Today at 12:00 our country and few others were invited to join NATO in the battle against terrorism. It's very good news. Lithuania now can not fear madmans from Belarussia and from other countries.
Also, today president G.Bush will arrive in Vilnius (first president of USA ever in Lithuania) and will give a speach for our people in the main square.
Is there any news about it from USA or other countries ?
Please tell me ! I'm curious...
Heh, so we shall be - once again - allies! I think that was a good decision of the NATO leaders, as it widens the area of safety and stabilization in Europe. And of course, there was some news about Bush's visit in Lithuania in our (Polish) media and our publicists and statesmen are generally very satisfied with the results of the Prague congress. Anyway, I understand your happiness very well - we live in an interesting, but sometimes a bit dangerous part of the world, and it's always good to have some assistance I remember when Bill Clinton (nb much greater man and politician than George W.) came to Poland in July 1997 to - formally - invite us to the alliance. That was really something.
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posted November 24, 2002 12:47 PM |
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Piquedram--> it's gr8 that you know how we feel
Anyway, i saw the whole thing on tv- i don't know if the other channels showed GWB visit on lithuania, but the people were cheering and feeling happy- so do I
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posted November 24, 2002 03:06 PM |
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Where did you get "plague" out of that? I was only stating that there only 5 communist countries in the world.
Sorry, my mistake then. I apologize. I would like to add that there are more than 5 left btw, North Korea is another example of a communist regime. (though I'm not particularly in favor of that government) But you're right, there aren't many communist nations left.
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posted November 24, 2002 04:47 PM |
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Geuss we'll stop asking the questions when you provide a reasnoble answer. Like I said, there's more than enough enemies like the one in Belarussia, so why is america not clamouring for their removal from power in the same way? What pray does make Iraq so different if it is not oil/the will to make up for earlier mistakes? It cannot be just the threat they maintain given states such as north korea and many of the ex-soviet nations having many of the same threats, so what the hell is it? Turn it round then.... explain why Iraq is so special properly rather than vauge accusations which fit many nations not currently on the "to bomb" list.
Nazi like tactics - Depends on what they meant, for example the bombing of cities containing innocent people to remove a countries threat...... Guilty (just as the allies were in WWII) since I don't recollect what context he made that accusation in he could mean anything by it. As for the canuck, geuss that's just a little canadian rivalry huh?
The EU has introduced many humanitarian bills, including one of human rights and set up a court for such matters. It also has accepted many nations with dubious financial histories such as Italy and Greece and not just those such as Germany and Britain with solid financial power comparitavely.
And you really have a rosy idea of your support for us! We have stood true to you in The gulf, Kossovo, All of the actions in no-fly zones, Korea etc. And whilst we are on the subject, this was mainly on the grounds of national interest for us at the time. We saw an advantage in it. Just as you did when "saving our butts" in WWI (laughable you didn't even arrive properly until the last year of war) and WWII (In Europe you didn't arrive until the 3rd year of war). You had more than enough national interest to consider when you helped us out, and did not do it out of some sort of humanitarian wonder. You needed the Europeans just as much as we needed you in the cold war so that was hardly america being generous! I'm not saying we are generous/humanitarian, but lets not pretend you were helping Europe out of the goodness of your hearts!
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Wolfman
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posted November 24, 2002 08:12 PM |
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Where did you get "plague" out of that? I was only stating that there only 5 communist countries in the world.
Sorry, my mistake then. I apologize. I would like to add that there are more than 5 left btw, North Korea is another example of a communist regime. (though I'm not particularly in favor of that government) But you're right, there aren't many communist nations left.
That's right it is North Korea, I couldn't remember the last one it is not Cambodia.
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posted November 26, 2002 07:33 AM |
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"I remember when Bill Clinton (nb much greater man and politician than George W.) came to Poland in July 1997 to - formally - invite us to the alliance. That was really something."
I don't know where you people get your news but President Clinton was the biggest disgrace USA has had to endure for sometime...he rapped the military, submitted the country to his sexual exploits, purgered himself relentlessly, brought dishonor to the presidency, never addressed terrorism, raised taxes, tried to socialize 1/7 of our economy, splintered the political system with his divisionary political schemes, taught our children that oral sex is a great thing to do anytime/anywhere, bumbled the whole black hawk thing in Africa, brought us a recession. The only things he did right were raise the speed limit, sign welfare reform, and expand global trade...and those things he was forced into by the republicans…
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