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posted December 25, 2002 11:11 PM |
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“I'm sorry should this worry me? We hate them as well ”
I never knew this. What are the roots of the distaste? I always knew that France thinks we are brutes and we think that they are a bunch of whiney, effeminate, ineffectual, inept, unimportant snobbish brats…but didn’t know there was anything between France and UK.
You didn't know! They have been fighting a hot and cold war off and on for centuries!
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“Had we REALLY tried we would have thrashed you long before the french joined in ”
Unlikely…but if it did occur that way…centuries later two great warriors known as Dargon and Wolfman would of arisen and kicked your sorry butts out of our land
As much as I like that, logicly it wouldn't happen. I am 1/3 Irish and 1/3 German and 1/3 of other things that would never have come to the U.S. if it didn't exist.
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“I can't wait for Dargon's reaction to this! ”
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“yes hard as it may seem some of you did fight WITH the british, you didn't ALL hate us).”
What do you mean “hate us”…we were/are you We just decided time for daddy to let us drive our own car
I like that too!
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posted December 27, 2002 05:25 PM |
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It's a neighbourly thing, we invade them, they invade somewhere else (they've failed to invade us for 1000 years), hell we were doing this back and forth for 800 odd years until we thrashed napoleon  They kept backing the scots in wars or rebellions against us, we kept opposing them whenever they tried to control europe (ie napoleon, The sun king). We were rivals in America (which we won), India (which we won) and africa (a draw) for colonies. There's literally hundreds if not thousands of reasons.
And if that weren't enough THEY'RE FRENCH DAMNIT!
And trust me Dargon, without one of the europeans fighting with you it would taken a LOT longer to gain independance. There are many millitary reasons for that I've already listed. Sure eventually when we had lost interest in owning you  we'd have let you get it sooner or later, but France tipped the scales. Before their intervention we suffered setbacks, but could recover, after it the end was nigh. And hate/indepedance who cares now, there was still some of you against "driving your own car" as opposed to it being the entire population.
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posted January 07, 2003 04:57 AM |
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I think it was a matter of hono(u)r for the British too. Their tiny pathetic colonies rebeling against the most powerful country on earth at the time? What an outrage!
Plus it wouldn't look good on their resume' (A little French for PH)
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posted January 07, 2003 05:17 PM |
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Bloody yank
We had larger colonies, we could afford to loose part of america given the expense we would have had to pay out in order to maintain a continued presence over the whole of north america. Also as I've explained more than once our power lies in our trade and our navy, not our land forces, which in comparison are weak in numbers and unable to reinforce the colonies without telegraphing such a move (it's hard to miss a fleet that takes weeks to cross the atlantic after all). We had bigger and at that time brighter jewels in the crown to worry about, not just some 13 colonies. No point jeprodising the continued safety of the home country to keep a hold on 13 colonies after all.
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posted January 07, 2003 10:57 PM |
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Bloody Brit
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posted January 08, 2003 12:03 AM |
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*notes with some satisfaction that he did not contest the points he brought up*
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posted January 08, 2003 06:21 AM |
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*can't stand PH smug reaction*
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"We had bigger and at that time brighter jewels in the crown to worry about, not just some 13 colonies. "
Hmmm I guess that showed really poor insight....here England could of become the most powerful nation in the world beyond compare and had the strongest economy and highest level of living standards in the world if they had not been so shortsighted
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posted January 10, 2003 11:38 AM |
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As I said, it was a choice between holding 13 colonies, which we would have found difficult to continue protecting, ruling etc, and protecting Britain, which if lost would loose the entire point of having the 13 colonies in the 1st place........
No choice at all is it? I think we chose well. An empire holding 1/4 of the world's land and some of the modern worlds most powerful nations is enough methinks. Besides to the 19th century person we were the world's superpower and most powerful nation!
You have to put all this into perspective. We have 60 million people at the moment, and until roughly the 19th cent probably more like 30 million. We have one of the smallest land masses of the major european countries, didn't unite the country fully until the 1700's, spent large portions of this time virtually bankrupt through wars and the black death and other matters, Never seriously were (or for that matter will we ever be) a large land based millitary power.
Despite all this, with such a small population we end up owning Canada, India, Egypt, South Africa, Australia, NZ and many others with a population many times larger than our own and a land area out of all proportion to our own. And we succeeded in holding these for around a century or more in some cases.
I don't think that's a bad achievement at the end of the day. Weigh that up against risking it all for the right to hold 13 colonies on the edge of a land mass full of hostile indians and I reckon we choose wisely somehow
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posted January 16, 2003 07:56 PM |
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The hell you talkin about?
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And if that weren't enough THEY'RE FRENCH DAMNIT!
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What the hell do you mean?
Do I have to hate you because your not from the same f*ckin nation?
The French have had most influence on the worlds history!
The feudal system,absolutism,the french revolution,Napolen!
This and much more is from France.
About the revolution.Without the French,in my opinion,the americans would not have had a chance!With the French on their side they had hope.The brits however,if they had concentrated all forces on america they would have lost other colonies so they made the right decision in sending those dumb americans fight against eachother
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posted January 16, 2003 08:13 PM |
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The French have had most influence on the worlds history!
Ahem, who owned 1/4 of the world's land mass? 
How many major world nations speak french as a first langauge or learn it as a second one for diplomacy?
Who won Waterloo, Crecy, Agincourt and Potiers damnit!
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The Feudal System
Never helped you in the above battles I also wouldn't be amazingly proud of such a system either
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the french revolution
Yes that marvel of order, democracy and freedom that lead to............
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Napolen!
Ahem, he never beat the british in battle and we forced him to abdicate twice! And you went from a king to an emporer, what a sucessful transfer to a democracy
But aside from that the "they're french damnit" was meant as a joke. Appologies if you took it seriously.
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posted January 16, 2003 11:19 PM |
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And if that weren't enough THEY'RE FRENCH DAMNIT!
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Ha Ha, I thought it was funny.
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The French have had most influence on the worlds history!
The feudal system,absolutism,the french revolution,Napolen!
This and much more is from France.
About the revolution.Without the French,in my opinion,the americans would not have had a chance!With the French on their side they had hope.The brits however,if they had concentrated all forces on america they would have lost other colonies so they made the right decision in sending those dumb americans fight against eachother
The rest of this is crap and I agree with PH 100%. Can you back up your claims with links to other sites?
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posted January 17, 2003 10:11 AM |
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yeah right
I didn't say the French were most powerful,I said most influental.
The feudal system didn't help in those battles but it brought Europe out of the dark age.Later when it had caused more problems than it solved the French created absolutism,
but that didn't work either.The French revolution triggered a whole lot of revolutions in other parts of Europe,like Hungary and Italy and some others.
About Napoleon.Eventhough he was not pretty good at fighting his war he made a lot of new laws,of which many are still used everywhere.And then he got his ass kicked.
Yeah okay,nobody wants to learn french,they'd probably learn english instead.
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posted January 18, 2003 12:21 AM |
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In other words...
?In the beginning The French created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of The French moved upon
the face of the waters.
And The French said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And The French saw the light, that it was good: and The French divided the
light from the darkness.
And The French called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And The French said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the
waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And The French made the firmament, and divided the waters which were
under the firmament from the waters which were above the
firmament: and it was so.
And The French called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the
morning were the second day.
And The French said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered
together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it
was so.
And The French called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together
of the waters called they Seas: and The French saw that it was good.
And The French said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb
yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his
kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed
after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in
itself, after his kind: and The French saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the third day.
And The French said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for
signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to
give light upon the earth: and it was so.
And The French made two great lights; the greater light to rule the
day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars
also.
And The French set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light
upon the earth,
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the
light from the darkness: and The French saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
And The French said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth
in the open firmament of heaven.
And The French created great whales, and every living creature that
moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their
kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and The French saw that
it was good.
And The French blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and
fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the
earth.
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
And The French said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature
after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the
earth after his kind: and it was so.
And The French made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle
after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth
after his kind: and The French saw that it was good.
And The French said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over
all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth
upon the earth.
So The French created man in their own image, in the image of The French
created they him; male and female created they them.
And The French blessed them, and The French said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have
dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And The French said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing
seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree,
in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it
shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air,
and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there
is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was
so.
And The French saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was
very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
And on the seventh day The French ended their work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he
had made.
And The French blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because
that in it they had rested from all their work which The French created
and made
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posted January 18, 2003 03:16 AM |
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I didn't say the French were most powerful,I said most influental.
In which case you are still probably wrong. The british/english have given their influence to modern Democracy, Modern Western Laws, Modern Langauge and many of the customs and traditions used most commonly throughout the world come from a british standpoint through our influence over the empire and former colonies.
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The feudal system didn't help in those battles but it brought Europe out of the dark age
Was this really needed in terms of culture? Sure the middle ages sparked an agricultural revolution and feudalism gave us the birth of a nobility and organised army, but at the same time the "dark ages" was neither dark, nor particularly bad in terms of culture. There is increasing evidence that many of the peoples we europeans declare rather snobbishly as barbarians of that time (vikings, muslims etc) were just as advanced, if not more than the feudal europe, tied to it's religious bigotry. The vikings were good farmers and craftsmen, and many of the "discoveries" made by european scholars about the world were known to the muslims for centuries. I'm not that sure introducing a system of government such as feudalism was either necessary or particularly a good thing to do. Many other nations or people's have got on just fine without it.
The french revolution was a complete and utter failiure. All it acheived was to replace an idiot of a king with a competent Emporer, through anarchy and chaos along the way. The absolutism did not leave until the governmental system was restored after Napoleon abdicated enabling some laws to be passed that by the time he returned he was kept somewhat in check by elected people. Finally some 20-30 years of anarchy, chaos and war after it started the revolution came closer to acheiving it's aims.
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.Eventhough he was not pretty good at fighting his war he made a lot of new laws
Which through his meglomaniac ideals he enforced over europe with his troops. They weren't just adopted by people happy to use them, revolutionary and then Imperial france enforced them on many nations. He's also singlehandedly responsible for the deaths of at least 450,000 europeans in russia, which he invaded unessecarily and Spain many more thousands. As for the laws and systems themselves, they are not used everywhere, esp not in Britain or the Empire as much. The man was a meglomaniac, invading anyone and everyone that did not pay at least lip service to the french systems and trade.
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posted January 18, 2003 05:35 AM |
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"In the beginning The French created the heaven and the earth. "
Very funny one Bort...I didn't know you were such an avid student of the Bible
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"The british/english have given their influence to modern Democracy, Modern Western Laws, Modern Langauge and many of the customs and traditions used most commonly throughout the world come from a british standpoint through our influence over the empire and former colonies."
Very true indeed. The english have had the most profound affect upon the world of any culture by far. Having said that I will note that in the last century America has had the most profound impact upon the world at large.
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posted January 18, 2003 04:36 PM |
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Ahem, methinks you were included in the "former colonies" bit We may have lost our influence over the world, but we founded the basis of america through our democratic and legal systems and many of the founding fathers are of British Descent (as opposed to other europeans). So we had a hand in your creation too
Perhaps, but I remember reading once that the japanese looked through the inventions that the modern world uses and determined that around 70% of them were either British inventions directly or indriectly relied heavily on another british invention!
This from a nation famed for their modern inventions
I personally would put it down to the fact that the british are essentially an amalgamation of just about every european race under the sun and recently other cultures also. We have adapted ourselves to the cultures of vikings, romans, Normans (essentially vikings anyway), french, Dutch, german etc. All at some time have had their influence here bringing together ideas and culture and mixing them.
Kinda like a modern day america, were everyone there has cultural ties outside of america if you look back far enough.
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posted January 19, 2003 01:12 AM |
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okay I lose
Congradulations privatehudson,
you have proved me wrong and convinced me to cease to believe the lies I made up in my head!
I quit defending the french now.
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posted January 19, 2003 01:45 PM |
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Remember these facts so if you ever meet a lost Frenchman who think how you did you can correct and make a nice following!
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posted February 02, 2003 04:03 PM |
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I wasn't trying to say you weren't important, hell it's not like Britain invented democracy, nor did it invent many of it's laws, but it did adapt many existing systems beyond the models left by the romans and greeks into their modern day equivalent and introduce important aspects to those systems.
Britain was also an early and vital supporter of Protestantism after Henry VIII supporting it's followers in Holland and germany and spreading it into the world via the empire. Without the haven we created, during the religious wars of france and later under Louis XIV many of the French protestants (amongst whom lay the greatest artists, sculptors, writers and craftsmen of their time) would have been forced into catholicism and conformity that Louis wanted, our and german havens enabled them to continue their freedom.
France was important, but feudalism and absolutism (not far removed from the mid 17th cent british monarch's ideals which lead to civil war btw) were not exactly model forms of government. Necessary evils on the way to a modern democracy maybe, but not as important as the democracy itself. Revolutionary france was little short of barbaric and anarchy compared to the ideals they professed to want, and for nearly 20 years ended in a return to an absolute leader in Napoleon, achieving nothing.
To say france is the most important is to ignore the influence on the world stage of england/britain, or germany or even America in modern times. I don't think France has contributed more those other nations. It depends on the kind of world you would want and what you value in it. The modern laws and Democratic systems of the world originate with england. Many millitary inventions (tank, radar, aircraft carrier etc) originate here, etc etc. Perhaps this ranks us above the other nations for influence, perhaps it doesn't, but it at least makes us second to none in influence on the world stage
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posted March 06, 2004 02:29 PM |
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i still thin that if two nations are going to go to war, they should do so without causing enviromental instability an d nuclear stuff!
War, like WW2, was devastating on the world, over 250 million people died during that war. and that was mostly without the use of nuclear weapons! think how many more will die in WW3!
Quote Einstein; "i do not know how WW3 will be fought out, but i know that WW4 wil be fought with clubs-"
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