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FighterOfHea...
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posted January 17, 2003 09:18 PM |
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stronghold....weak or strong?
I think stronghold sucks big time, it has nothing special...how do you guys think about it? i really hate those (ancient) behemots, too slow, too weak...just not good at all. OK i agree with the argument: his attack is the best, but what`s the use of a good attack if your defense/speed/abilities suck?
P.S. I`m sorry for my Englsh...I`m Dutch and only 14
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Sir_Stiven
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Legendary Hero
banned
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posted January 17, 2003 10:16 PM |
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Yeah ima speacking with you too! Benemoths no good! yes yes! very weak they!! ya! And slow too! ya very slow! Ima speacking with you all the way!!
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted January 17, 2003 10:48 PM |
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Hiya welcome to the board!@
There are more Ducthies here (waaronder ik dus).
Ignore SS ... stronghold is a GREAT town.
Just play online a few times and u wil find out what a good player can do with Stronghold.
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LordLazy
Promising
Famous Hero
Wood cleaner
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posted January 17, 2003 10:50 PM |
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LMAO!
HAHA! the second one in only one week  ......what can be said .
Oooooooh. Stronghold is weak....guess we're all satisfied now right 
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Khaelo
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Underwater
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posted January 18, 2003 06:04 AM |
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Stronghold can be plenty weak in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Someone like me, for example. Expert Air + Haste (+ massive Offense stats) is about the limit of my Stronghold tactics knowledge. The Fortress thread turned into a Fortress For Dummies type thing -- could anyone offer Stronghold For Dummies hints here (or links to other threads)?
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted January 18, 2003 07:27 AM |
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ok
1. Get Behemoths week 1.
2. Get Behemoths week 1.
3. Don´t lose the behemoths.
4. Use rocs and orcs to clear the area.
5. Upgrade to ancient behemoths ASAP
5,5. Buy those Ancients.
6. NEVER get cyclops unless the map is rich OR you know what you´re doing.
7. Never buy ogres. UPGRADE to ogre magi first.
8. Dont use the wolves unless you have to as they will die. Save them for the endfight.
9. Get Haste, Get tactics, Get Expert air.
10. Try to get a fast unit, like AAs.
Thats some basic things I would do.
This is what you bring into topes:
7 Ancients
21 Thunderbirds (optional, they may die)
28 Ogre Magi
remaining goblins (optional)
Shooter fodder from 2nd town.
Grunt fodder from 2nd town.
Level 4 grunt from 2nd town (if u have it)
If you´re stronger, better, smarter, and/or have a 2nd town fully built you can do topes week 3.
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Odvin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted January 18, 2003 11:34 AM |
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Edited By: Odvin on 18 Jan 2003
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So, Fortress is weak, Stronghold is weak, soon somebody will explain us why Conflux is the weakest town ever
To be serious, I like Stronghold with its cheapest 7th level (well Bjorn190 already said it). If you rush out with Behhies you'll often get a big advantage, so Stronghold can be very good. I play with barbarians rather often, though on 160% it's more difficult to get behemoths week 1.
P.S. FighterOfHeaven, now wait until Andi comes and kills you as a Stronghold hater. 
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AndiAngelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted January 18, 2003 12:07 PM |
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Edited By: Hexa on 18 Jan 2003
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LOL i can accept when someone says "i hate stronghold coz goblins and wolves die easy, and im a noob that cant handle a might town that doesnt have solmyr or deemer" - but gimme a break: Ancients WEAK?
That must be prolly the biggest toss i ever had the misfortune to read here...u ever saw what ancients can do when the heroes stats climb on both sides lol?
Your Blacki or Archs will suddenly be the ones that have no defense + usually you have more Ancients (on rdms) since they faster and easier to build...
About Stronghold: it has the ebst heroes (dont say nothing against that now, 3 specialists and most of the Barbarians crush your Solmyr 7 days a week!).
Im sorry for you noobs that cant handle it thou - miss your Blackies and Arma or slowing everything with faster creatures? booohooooooooo...once you have practised this game a bit you will like Stronghold
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EvilLoynis
Famous Hero
The Dark Shadow
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posted January 18, 2003 01:42 PM |
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Just read this thread and I wonder how you know which Heroes (3 or 4) people are referring to?
Anyway in H3 the Stronghold is one of the only towns where your 6th level creatures seem more expensive than your 7th. Other wise it is a tough town to beat. Especially with heroes like CraigHack and the other Offense specialty heroes.
In H4 the stronghold town is only hard to beat usually only because of the high level heroes it has with it. I think it is kind of cheap that they get 3 skills when everyone else only gets 2.
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pig
Disgraceful
Known Hero
unstopable
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posted January 18, 2003 02:47 PM |
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Imho Stronghold is good support town, cuz its cheap. It has escape tunnel, you can sell creatures , strognholds army focused on offense, so you can use it to reduse enemy forces, and after that finish it with your real army. Anybody disagree?
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SirNicolas
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posted January 18, 2003 03:06 PM |
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Rampart Rocks!
Good day Sir, look at my thread -'Fortress-the weakest one?'
You'll find so many interestings thins about Fortress and it's heroes there, The thread is also here - in The Library of Enlightenment.
" The world continues to offer glittering prizes to those, who have stout hearts and sharp swords"
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Khaelo
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Underwater
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posted January 19, 2003 01:37 AM |
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As a non-multi-player, I can afford not to like Stronghold if I don't want to. I'm starting to warm up to it though, partially on account of getting a Behemoth so early, which really helps with mine clearing and such. Do people usually bother to upgrade goblins & wolves? Upgrading ogres takes a whole lot of wood, so I usually don't do that until later. 
There was nothing about superheroes armed with 1,001 immortality potions in the first post, so I assumed the Stronghold in question is the H3 one. Also, this is the Library.
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LordLazy
Promising
Famous Hero
Wood cleaner
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posted January 19, 2003 01:56 AM |
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hehe...some people got lots of time online...and use it for forums and so on....others like to use both forums and gaming....and the real ones with a normal life outside comp online plays when they are online
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted January 20, 2003 11:26 AM |
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Play on random go ahead take you Rampart & try to build your dragons week 1 sometimes it's not possible.
Then tell me what you think week 2 when you start to see 5 Ancient Behemoths marching down your main road
As for Fortress I beat some of the best players with fortress compared to any other towns.
Most players I played will go for my mighties first but little do they know how sneaky I can be with my Hydras lol.
Plus most creatures can cause negative status.
Knolls & Lizards are probally the only biggest tosses compared to other shooters & lv 1 units but the other creatures are no joke.
Flies probally the best lv 3 units or one of the best which can spoils any players plan in the last fight.
Basalisk are not just powerful but can turn even your best troops to stone.
Mighties depending on how many you have & I think Death stare relates on how many hp you have compared to the creatures your attacking.
Wyverns you can get even day 1 if Lizards are prebuilt.
You can have a scout take the Wyverns to take out local areas.
Hydras Hydras are probally the most sneakiest lv 7 Creatures too much to explain
I can go on & on about my fav castle here but I already have in previous post so I suggest you dont worry about only 3 mage guilds but whats living in the castle instead .
There are other ways to get spells.
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Sir_Stiven
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Legendary Hero
banned
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posted January 21, 2003 03:10 AM |
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wow...i actually..wow....Peculias finally made...wow...i think i just understood an Peculias post... wow i really need some sleep now...
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ouse
Adventuring Hero
old man river
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posted January 24, 2003 02:45 PM |
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hummm... i never thought the stonghold was bad or weak, they have good solid units that can be grown there, those thunder birds are quite nasty...
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted January 25, 2003 10:33 PM |
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Goblins....are just goblins
Wolfraiders...hit like trucks, I hate em on the map coz they morale me all the time and kill my shooters early.
Orcs...A solid tough shooter.
Ogre Mage...best level 4 in game. Tough as anything.
T-Birds...Strongholds weak link, you need them for speed but apart from that, they are food.
Clops...If you can get them are awesome.
Ancients..witht the right skills are the best level 7 (ie haste and offense) with the wrongs skills they are slow, but still dont die easy.
Verdict...Stronghold 2nd best town (behind castle)
So there.
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pig
Disgraceful
Known Hero
unstopable
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posted January 26, 2003 11:28 AM |
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I disagree in some cases.
3. Orcs..hm... just another unstable shooter, you need to bless
4. Ogre mage IMO is worst lvl 4 unit.(Have you heard about vampires?) Slow as snow, and can cast bloodlust, so he'll spent all time in respawn.
5.T-Birds is weak Stronghold's link? LOOL . Just wait and go with'em, attack shooters and lvl 3-6 grunts..
6.Behemots has low defense, so they die as good as any other lvl 7 unit.
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AndiAngelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted January 26, 2003 11:46 AM |
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOL Rychen you super Tosser, Thunderbirds the weak Link??? I think you played too much Poker today lol and got all confused...
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