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posted February 01, 2003 06:25 PM
Edited By: IYY on 1 Feb 2003

Columia Shuttle


HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- The space shuttle Columbia broke up as it descended over Texas Saturday toward a planned landing at Kennedy Space Center in Florida, showering debris across southeastern Texas and into Louisiana.




Shuttle commander Rick D. Husband, Pilot William C. McCool, Payload Commander Michael P. Anderson, Mission Specialists David M. Brown, Kalpana Chawla and Laurel Clark and Israel's first astronaut, Ilan Ramon, were on board.

Some people suspect this was some sort of terrorist attack although it is very unlikley.

Columbia is the oldest of NASA's shuttle fleet, first launched in 1981. It was on its 28th mission. The shuttle underwent an extensive, 17-month overhaul that began in September, 1999.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,418462,00.html TIME.com has an intersting interview about the possible causes of the accident.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/02/01/shuttle.columbia/index.html CNN.com has just about all the details the press has right now.

I don't know how the US could let such a thing to happen, what are your thoughts?
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posted February 01, 2003 06:27 PM

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I don't know how the US could let such a thing to happen, what are your thoughts?



Um... excuse me?

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posted February 01, 2003 06:35 PM
Edited By: IYY on 1 Feb 2003

Well... maybe not the US as a country, more like NASA I guess. I mean, space shuttles shouldn't crash, there should be more maintenence and calculations done. I am sure that if more research was done they would have figured a reason why this was likley to happen.

In fact, several reasons already existed to delay the launch due to cracks found on the "Discovery" which could well be a fleet wide problem. Maybe this was the cause of the tragedy?
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posted February 01, 2003 08:57 PM

"Stuff" happens.  I hate to see NASA look bad, and I hate to see billions of my tax dollars go up in smoke, but, as frightening as it is to consider, our technology is not nearly as safe or as reliable as we'd like to believe.  After all, 50,000 people die every year in car crashes.

What can we do?  Press on ...

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posted February 01, 2003 10:43 PM

Well, 2 down, 3 left...

I wonder wether they are going to recycle the Russian Shuttle prototype or they are going to design a new generation of craft or maybe just rebuild it or not investing any tax money in it (it is better spend elsewhere, somewhere hot, in a desert, ....)
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posted February 02, 2003 03:50 AM

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I don't know how the US could let such a thing to happen


What, equipment failure is the U.S. problem?  
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posted February 02, 2003 05:46 AM

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"space shuttles shouldn't crash"

HUH????? What world do you live in where accidents don't happen?

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posted February 02, 2003 08:57 AM

its very sad

I sure hope that the space program does not get seriously hit because of this.  NASA is already hard hit as it is.

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posted February 02, 2003 09:43 AM
Edited By: Kittenangel on 2 Feb 2003

Yes this is a truley said day for the United States,India, and Isreal. My heart goes out to all the family members who lost someone of the shuttle.

What really gets me tho is how can Iraq, sit back and say that this disaster was a blessing from god, and they are glad america has felt loss?!?! WTF!! There were innocent lives on the shuttle that was destroyed today!! Yes Iraq and the US have there problems but come one!! give me a break. I mean there were more than just US lives on board anyhow! Even if it was just americans on the shuttle there still is no call for a remark like that!



Let us remember those who were lost!
 

Commander: Rick D. Husband




Pilot: William C. McCool



Payload Commander: Michael P. Anderson



Mission Specialist 1: David M. Brown



Mission Specialist 2: Kalpana Chawla



Mission Specialist 4: Laurel Blair Salton Clark



Payload Specialist 1: Ilan Ramon




"Togeather we will over come the loss of true great Heroes"

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posted February 02, 2003 10:46 AM

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our technology is not nearly as safe or as reliable as we'd like to believe


Now I wonder why 40 year old Russian technology is still in the air...
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posted February 02, 2003 11:06 AM

Kittenangel,

I applaud your desire to remember the people whose lives were lost, and I understand your frustration and anger that some people are celebrating because of our loss.  Yes, those were innocent people who died in the shuttle, but in all fairness to the people of Iraq ...

it looks like we're about to go kill a lot of them, and most of them will be innocent too.

It makes me sad.

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posted February 02, 2003 01:24 PM

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Now I wonder why 40 year old Russian technology is still in the air...

Now when the shuttle crashed, they won't launch any more for months, maybe years, as I've heard. Now they have to make the decision: "40 year old Russian technology" or suspending the whole project...

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posted February 02, 2003 03:01 PM

To be fair kitten, you won't get far expecting someone from Iraq to feel sad at the deaths of Americans and Israelis when they are their two biggest enemies in the world. As far as they are told it is america and Israel that keeps the people of Iraq in that terrible condition they live in. It's hardly suprising that they care little. Imagine if say some innocent Iraquis and a Palestinian were killed in an accident, how many people in the west and Israel do you imagine would care that much or even get to hear about it? Is apathy any better than celebration?

Not that I'm excusing those people, but if the boot was on the other foot, I doubt most people in America or Britain, Israel or France would care either.
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posted February 02, 2003 03:09 PM
Edited By: silx87 on 2 Feb 2003

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Now I wonder why 40 year old Russian technology is still in the air...


Good point!

It's sad that these ppl died,but are they realy heroes?In my opinion,a hero is someone who accomplishes something important.
There are many ways of how to become a hero,crashing to the ground in a space shuttle is not one of them!

I'm not sayng it doesn't matter,or that nobody cares,what I meant to say is:
we all feel sad bcuz they died,but still they are no heroes just for diyng.
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posted February 02, 2003 03:13 PM

Americans tend to throw money at projects and come up with immensely complicated technology that has a billion ways to go wrong, Russians tend to have no money so they kinda make do and mend with things that are relatively easy to repair and maintain, but have a habit of falling to bits after extensive use.

Eg: Americans spend 12 billion developing a pen to take into space, writes perfectly. Russians take lots of pencils........

Easier to erase pencil marks also
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posted February 02, 2003 04:57 PM

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What, equipment failure is the U.S. problem?



It is, somewhat. Maybe not the US government, but it has to do a lot with the general US way of doing things (as PH said) and of course NASA's carelessness (as I said, reasons were already seen as to why not to send this shuttle to space).

This is another subject I agree with PH on.
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posted February 02, 2003 05:08 PM

How many people died on mission in space already (known, you never know what the Soviets have hid)? 21. 17 in US material... (14 in shuttles, 3 in apollo).

US spend billions of dollars in test facilitys for a durable engine. They never had such a close-circuit engine... In the beginning of the 90s, US rocket scientists discovered 20 Year old russian technology rotting in a forgotten hall somewhere in the former USSR, but this technology performed better (and not slightly better, but significantly) then ANY US engine known. Those missiles stood there 20 years rotting. They were developed to get something on the moon.
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posted February 02, 2003 05:15 PM

NASA needs to do alot of launches so that the politicians and the people feel that they are making good use of the budget.

The downside is that they take greater risks then they should, because of political considerations. If they donīt launch, their budget might be reduced. If they launch without checking the tech enough, stuff like this might happen. Itīs a fine line.


Too bad that the people on the shuttle get caught it the political play :/

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posted February 02, 2003 05:15 PM

Getting something into space is relatively easy.  Getting something to stay up in space is also easy since you don't have to deal with that whole "gravity" thing.  What is difficult is getting something into space, bringing it back again and then sending it back into space.  The stresses on the shuttle happen mostly during launch and reentry, sending a shuttle into space and leaving it there for 40 years would be trivial.  

That said, of course the technology isn't perfect, nobody has ever said it was, least of all NASA.  There are risks associated with every launch and the astronauts knew that.  I feel very sorry for their families and I hope that their deaths were instantaneous and painless.  The fact of the matter is that mechanical things have problems some times.  Cars crash, trains derail, planes crash and shuttles crash.  Now, of course, there's going to be some witch hunt and they're going to find some mechanic who made a tiny, human mistake, claim that was the cause, flash the poor guys face all over the news and fire him.  Hooray, hooray, everything is perfect.

And to those of you who somehow managed to turn this into America bashing, I don't know what to say other than that I really, truly envy you.  Life must be wonderful knowing that everything that possibly goes wrong in the world is the fault of the US and that way you always know who to blame.

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posted February 02, 2003 05:31 PM

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And to those of you who somehow managed to turn this into America bashing, I don't know what to say other than that I really, truly envy you. Life must be wonderful knowing that everything that possibly goes wrong in the world is the fault of the US and that way you always know who to blame.


Sigh. Do I have the feeling someone always sees america bashing everywhere?

I am simply telling facts... This isn't some sort of fairy tale.

Soviet system, you shouldn't forget: there was only 1 producer, 1 developer, 1... But they had less funds and were more creative. That engine, Russians just built a rocket, launched it, and then, when it exploded, checked the debris to see what went wrong. And they perfectioned the system. All in secret. The USSR people didn't expect to hear where their tax money went to, so their scientist could experiment...
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