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reynaert
reynaert


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posted February 02, 2003 05:47 PM

Well, you could be right to adress to me too... Hehe
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posted February 02, 2003 06:21 PM

America bashing apparently now includes making the observation that no-one in the West (oh look WEST not just america) oh and that's right I even mentioned France, UK and Israel would give that much of a damn about the deaths of innocent Iraquis. I was merely pointing out that to these people there is precious little reason to care for someone from a nation or group of nations that shows little care (in general not specific people) about them either.

Apparently America now includes the whole of the west............

As for the other commment, well that's the truth, american technology is often over complicated as compared to russian equivalent and therefore needs a higher level of maintenance. You can like it or not
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posted February 02, 2003 10:34 PM

When a system goes wrong, and errors are made in such important issues as space flight costing millions of dollars in repairs and the lives of the crew, it's hard not to blame the country that allowed this to happen or at the very least the organization. Instead of classifying everything that is said against you as "US bashing" you may be wise to listen and improve some of your mistakes. Because people do make mistakes, and so do countries: in both cases it's better to admit it and learn from it.
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posted February 03, 2003 12:40 AM




So the suicide attacks in Israel are Israel's fault according to that way of thinking.
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posted February 03, 2003 04:06 AM

Explain... Terrorist attacks are not accidents, they happen because someone out there is trying to kill you. Nobody said that september 11 was America's fault, did they now?
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posted February 03, 2003 04:54 AM

bah, just the sight of seeing some ppl make an american bash fest of this thread reminded me why i am yet to start posting here.

ppl will always die in accidents/starvation and so on, and yes..just that it was an american space thingy problably made the hype even bigger but the people in that shuttle didnt deserve to die just because they were american now did they, nor did the indian or the israelian guy.

Now please try and maintain the purpose of this thread instead of making this yet another X vs america thread because thats how they all usually end up anyway.

I feel sorry for the people involved and their families, it really gotta hurt losing someone like this.

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dArGOn
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posted February 03, 2003 08:57 AM
Edited By: dArGOn on 3 Feb 2003

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"Nobody said that september 11 was America's fault, did they now? "

Where were you after 9/11???....continually people were saying it was our fault...we are greedy, we haven't sent enought humanitarian aid, we pissed OBL off so now it is retribution time, our foreign policy created 9/11, we are insensitive, we support Israel, etc.  There were many who tried to blame 9/11 on the USA.

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"Instead of classifying everything that is said against you as "US bashing" you may be wise to listen and improve some of your mistakes."

What a wonderful time to start pointing the finger at mistakes...people's lives were lost...man you people will find any excuse even a tradjedy to bash America!  Moreover...you think we just sit around going "oh well send another one up"  you got to be kidding whenever there is an accident like this it is looked at in depth.  Thanks for imparting your great wisdom that we need to look into our mistakes...we would of never thought of that...geez

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shaowei
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posted February 03, 2003 01:56 PM

I am sorry for the loss of family members and the blow to NASA credibility. I hope that the pain will cease and the exploration programme will continue.

and a long p.s.:

Nobody would have ever said anything about America vs. Iraq if not for KittenAngel's remark. But the remark came, out of thin air, and this being a sensitive issue resulted in answers...

I really cannot take either side (US or Iraq). Both are right and wrong in their respective ways. If I was a US person, I would find it hard not to take the US side. Not belonging to either, however, I can see the Iraqi perspective as well.

It is really too much to expect from the Iraqi people who are about to get killed/leave their homes to feel sorry for some astronauts far away on the other side of Earth. The people who made joyful notes on the Shuttle crash are the ones who wish to escalate the conflict. The majority of the Iraqi people simply do not care, because they have more pressing matters to attend. You would as well, KittenAngel, I am sure.
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posted February 03, 2003 03:34 PM

I can't help it if I make an observation about people living in 3 or 4 nations and this gets singled out into american bashing. People read what they wish to I guess
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reynaert
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posted February 03, 2003 07:12 PM

However, I see most people here considering a thread were the US is pointed at (when making a mistake), as 'america bashing'. Not every point of criticism is such a thing...
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Kittenangel
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posted February 03, 2003 08:41 PM

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I am sorry for the loss of family members and the blow to NASA credibility. I hope that the pain will cease and the exploration programme will continue.

and a long p.s.:

Nobody would have ever said anything about America vs. Iraq if not for KittenAngel's remark. But the remark came, out of thin air, and this being a sensitive issue resulted in answers...

I really cannot take either side (US or Iraq). Both are right and wrong in their respective ways. If I was a US person, I would find it hard not to take the US side. Not belonging to either, however, I can see the Iraqi perspective as well.

It is really too much to expect from the Iraqi people who are about to get killed/leave their homes to feel sorry for some astronauts far away on the other side of Earth. The people who made joyful notes on the Shuttle crash are the ones who wish to escalate the conflict. The majority of the Iraqi people simply do not care, because they have more pressing matters to attend. You would as well, KittenAngel, I am sure.




uhhhh the reason the remark was made because it is true, it was on NBC new, a direct quote from High Iraq government people. I do not condone war and I do not like war. I wish there was a way to settle all this tensions between everyone in other way but i do not see if happening.
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posted February 03, 2003 11:35 PM

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"Nobody said that september 11 was America's fault, did they now? "

Where were you after 9/11???....continually people were saying it was our fault...we are greedy, we haven't sent enought humanitarian aid, we pissed OBL off so now it is retribution time, our foreign policy created 9/11, we are insensitive, we support Israel, etc. There were many who tried to blame 9/11 on the USA.



Thank you dArGoN, now I don't need to say this.
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posted February 04, 2003 12:19 AM

Well, I can say that I never blamed september 11 on the US. And it's not like I am blaming anyone right now either, simply stating that the mistake was made and they will be wise to rethink some of their methods regarding space flight. If you go and ignore such warnings, another crash can result and more people will die.
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posted February 04, 2003 03:52 AM

What warnings are you talking about?  And it is a dangerous job people will always die from it.  Just because someone dies at a job doesn't mean the job shouldn't be done anymore.  If that was the practice, skyscrapers would never have been built.  Think about it...
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posted February 04, 2003 04:02 AM

A project blown up in smoke...

Not only was the Columbia Space Shuttle explosion fatal to all those on board, it was also fatal to many others, especially Israel and India, who had launched their first astronauts into space onboard the Columbia Space Shuttle. I believe that Ramon and Chalwa, who perished in the explosion were not only doing it for NASA and America, but also for their own two countries, who were hoping them to return to make a milestone in space travel for their countries. But that is now gone.

One more thing. Here in Australia a group of Melbourne uni students and lecturers were hoping to get a few results from a project done aboard the Columbia. It was a project about spiders in space, and now since the tragedy their project has been grinded to an abrupt halt since all of the evidence was destroyed. Therefore, the historic project is no more.

I do pay my condolences for the victims and their families. May we go on despite terrorism.
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dArGOn
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posted February 04, 2003 04:08 AM

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I can't help it if I make an observation about people living in 3 or 4 nations and this gets singled out into american bashing. People read what they wish to I guess


Hmmm maybe some quotes from this post might refreash your memory:

“I don't know how the US could let such a thing to happen”

“space shuttles shouldn't crash”

“Americans tend to throw money at projects”

“has to do a lot with the general US way of doing things”

“you may be wise to listen and improve some of your mistakes.”

You are right there was no America bashing there???

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posted February 04, 2003 04:15 AM

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What warnings are you talking about? And it is a dangerous job people will always die from it. Just because someone dies at a job doesn't mean the job shouldn't be done anymore. If that was the practice, skyscrapers would never have been built. Think about it...


I never said space flight should not be done anymore. In fact, I am very much for space flight. I said that it should be done better, without sending old and damaged space shuttles to space when it was known that errors could occur because of that. The whole idea is to learn from your mistakes, and improve. In fact, I am quite confident that NASA's researchers are working very hard right now to avoid further errors and learn from their mistakes, why can't you accept the fact that a mistake has been made?
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posted February 04, 2003 04:20 AM

Who said it was damaged before it went into space, they say a tile fell off as it was going into space but they didn't know before.  And what mistake was made, maybe that is why you said I can't accept a mistake.  I didn't know one happened.  Please enlighten me.
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posted February 04, 2003 06:40 AM

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Now I wonder why 40 year old Russian technology is still in the air...


I very much regret about Shuttle, seems to me this tragedy not only America, but all world !
I don't want to justify my country, but to nobody a secret, that in Russia bad financing of astronautics - and some projects are sold to America, for example engines... It's impossible to speak prejudicedly. This remark concerning development of the Russian astronautics is inappropriate, as here the question is not the one who is better, but what to do further (I agree with Odwin).
P.S. Give to throw a stone in your side! Recollect, that to this Shuttle already more than 20 years!

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shaowei
shaowei


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posted February 04, 2003 11:05 AM

Kitten Angel: I do not want to argue about Iraq nor bash USA for anything in this thread. I guess you just posted what you felt strongly about and wanted some reaction. I see nothing wrong with that. However some guys here reacted to the small mention of Iraq in your post and not so much about the astronauts. People choose what to notice, and if you would have liked them to just discuss the Shuttle tragedy, you wouldn't have mentioned Iraq. That is all I have to say.
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