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gravity
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posted March 30, 2003 02:57 PM |
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What balance changes would you make?
I think everyone knows that H3, while a very good game, is far from balanced in all it's aspects. If you could change some things to improve balance, what changes would you make?
My suggestions (bear in mind that I have very little multiplayer experience):
Towns:
Conflux - Reduce to 2 lvl7 per week. Should be fair after that.
Stronghold - Reduce crystal cost of Cyclops building, or make it another resource
Tower - Make Titan building a bit cheaper
Skills:
Learning - Double the effect
Sorcery - Double the effect
Eagle Eye - Can get level 5 spells, can get adventure map spells, double effect
Scouting - Double effect
Navigation - Expert provides same benefit as Sea-Captains Hat
Diplomacy - Reduce the effect by 1/3
First Aid - Always fully heals top troop at expert (maybe make it so that it can ressurect the top troop if not a level 7?)
Estates - Double Effect
Scholar - Can transfer level 5 spells at Expert
Mysticism - Triple effect
Luck and Leadership - Make it +4 with expert, and make it not possible to get more than +3 with artifacts
Necromancy - Reduce expert to 20% (or maybe 25%)
Logistics - reduce expert to 20%
Spells:
Magic Mirror - remove from game
Elemental Summoning spells - increase effect by 50%
Town Portal - Now a member of all spell schools (eg advanced anything will give full TP ability). Earth is still really good even with this
Inferno - double damage
Ice spells - Add the "advanced slow" effect to them (so they both damage and slow)
Blind - small area of effect (like a fireball) at expert Fire
Artifacts:
Orb of Inhibition - Remove from game (magic is weak enough already)
Recanters Cloak - Remove from game
Boots of Speed - Make an Art3
Equestrian's Gloves - Make an Art2
Heroes:
Remove Sir Mullich
Remove or replace Mysticism and Eagle Eye specialists
General:
Improve wandering monster AI a bit so they aren't so easily fooled
Heh, that's a lot of changes, but there's a lot of useless crap that needs to be improved  .
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Pollo2002
Famous Hero
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posted March 31, 2003 02:03 AM |
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My suggestions (bear in mind that I have very little multiplayer experience):
Towns:
Conflux - Reduce to 2 lvl7 per week. Should be fair after that.
Stronghold - Reduce crystal cost of Cyclops building, or make it another resource
Tower - Make Titan building a bit cheaper
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Blind - small area of effect (like a fireball) at expert Fire
You're insane right?
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Artifacts:
Orb of Inhibition - Remove from game (magic is weak enough already)
Recanters Cloak - Remove from game
Boots of Speed - Make an Art3
Equestrian's Gloves - Make an Art2
i would simple elimante boots and gloves. And a must. REMOVE ANGEL WINGS.
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Heroes:
Remove Sir Mullich
Remove or replace Mysticism and Eagle Eye specialists
Sir mullich? Je CHANGE OR REMOVE KYREE AND GUNNAR; THOSE ARE COMPLETLY UBBER HEROES!
When i do fix maps, i remove diplo and logistic, And eagle eye, learning. I remove eagle aye heroes and change the secondary of heroes who already have them. But most players think i'm crazy
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KittenAngel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted March 31, 2003 09:00 AM |
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted March 31, 2003 03:10 PM |
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most players think i'm crazy
Cuz you are
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Kuma
Promising
Supreme Hero
u can type so much text in her
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posted March 31, 2003 04:07 PM |
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Artifacts:
Boots of Speed - Make an Art3
Equestrian's Gloves - Make an Art2
Is a 3 and a 2 alrdy. There u go. 3DO listened to u 
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silx87
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2003 04:24 PM |
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When i do fix maps, i remove diplo and logistic, And eagle eye, learning. I remove eagle aye heroes and change the secondary of heroes who already have them. But most players think i'm crazy
Yeap,one crazy mother...
I say,blind is good enuff!Only thing to change at it,the creature doesn't get a move that turn when it is dispelled!
And leave recanters and redorb!They're kinda cool!
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xx1
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 31, 2003 07:46 PM |
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- Remove Alamar
- Remove Thunder Helmet
- change sea captains hat to a non-relic
- Remove Random Maps
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted March 31, 2003 09:00 PM |
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- Remove Random Maps
This line alone has put you on the "to kill" lists of many people .
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Nebuka
Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
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posted March 31, 2003 09:54 PM |
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And eagle eye, learning. I remove eagle aye heroes and change the secondary of heroes who already have them.
...and remove my only chance of winning!
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DoddTheSlayer
Promising
Famous Hero
Banned from opening threads
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posted March 31, 2003 11:04 PM |
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The best idea is not to remove anything but use imagination and creativity to make the game balanced. if you fight your way out of a bad situation and prevail the win will mean a lot more than winning because you asked for and got a restart.
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Retaliation is for the foolish. Silence is wisdom
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gravity
Hired Hero
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posted April 01, 2003 10:13 AM |
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The best idea is not to remove anything but use imagination and creativity to make the game balanced. if you fight your way out of a bad situation and prevail the win will mean a lot more than winning because you asked for and got a restart.
I'd love to see someone use their imagination to make Learning or Eagle Eye useful .
"Play better" isn't an excuse for a poorly balanced game (at least in secondary skills), because it's less fun if half the stuff in the game is useless.
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gravity
Hired Hero
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posted April 01, 2003 10:26 AM |
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Artifacts:
Boots of Speed - Make an Art3
Equestrian's Gloves - Make an Art2
Is a 3 and a 2 alrdy. There u go. 3DO listened to u
According to the MMPortals artifact list, they're both 2's, which I think is correct based on what I've seen.
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TheEmperor
Hired Hero
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posted April 01, 2003 09:48 PM |
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2 VERY important changes:
Make the Mighty Gorgons death stare work on ALL units(undead and non-living too)
Reduce the special ability of vampire lords, they're unbeatable at huge numbers
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DoddTheSlayer
Promising
Famous Hero
Banned from opening threads
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posted April 03, 2003 07:19 AM |
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The best idea is not to remove anything but use imagination and creativity to make the game balanced. if you fight your way out of a bad situation and prevail the win will mean a lot more than winning because you asked for and got a restart.
I'd love to see someone use their imagination to make Learning or Eagle Eye useful .
"Play better" isn't an excuse for a poorly balanced game (at least in secondary skills), because it's less fun if half the stuff in the game is useless.
Simple: You dont use heroes with those skill as main or do you think you can build and chain 8 superheroes?
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Retaliation is for the foolish. Silence is wisdom
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Arstahd
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 03, 2003 10:02 AM |
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Simple: You dont use heroes with those skill as main or do you think you can build and chain 8 superheroes?
Having heroes whose only use in the game are as "chain monkeys" is lame, the heroes should of been balanced out better. Why on earth they decided on making so many heroes with Eagle Eye specialization I'll never understand.
If you haven't yet, give WoG a try, included are a few balancing scripts. If you're up to it, you can even rebalance things yourself.
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Download my scripts and graphics HERE.
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haile73
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 03, 2003 10:14 AM |
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Why on earth they decided on making so many heroes with Eagle Eye specialization I'll never understand.
Without darkness, there would be no light
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gravity
Hired Hero
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posted April 03, 2003 01:37 PM |
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Simple: You dont use heroes with those skill as main or do you think you can build and chain 8 superheroes?
Having heroes whose only use in the game are as "chain monkeys" is lame, the heroes should of been balanced out better. Why on earth they decided on making so many heroes with Eagle Eye specialization I'll never understand.
If you haven't yet, give WoG a try, included are a few balancing scripts. If you're up to it, you can even rebalance things yourself.
I've thought of that, but it seems like WoG adds too much lame/gimmicky stuff like level 8 creatures. I dunno, maybe I'll give it a shot one day, I love the general idea of the event-scripting system.
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gravity
Hired Hero
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posted April 03, 2003 01:54 PM |
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The best idea is not to remove anything but use imagination and creativity to make the game balanced. if you fight your way out of a bad situation and prevail the win will mean a lot more than winning because you asked for and got a restart.
I'd love to see someone use their imagination to make Learning or Eagle Eye useful .
"Play better" isn't an excuse for a poorly balanced game (at least in secondary skills), because it's less fun if half the stuff in the game is useless.
Simple: You dont use heroes with those skill as main or do you think you can build and chain 8 superheroes?
That doesn't change the fact that there are only a few heroes that are truly useful, and that the game would be a lot more interesting if there was a wider range of choices (which if applied generally would lead to a wider range of measures and countermeasures, ie increased strategy.)
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Arstahd
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posted April 05, 2003 02:09 AM |
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If you haven't yet, give WoG a try, included are a few balancing scripts. If you're up to it, you can even rebalance things yourself.
I've thought of that, but it seems like WoG adds too much lame/gimmicky stuff like level 8 creatures. I dunno, maybe I'll give it a shot one day, I love the general idea of the event-scripting system.
You now have the option of disabling most anything, you can play with whatever features you like.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted April 05, 2003 04:28 AM |
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That doesn't change the fact that there are only a few heroes that are truly useful,
most of the heroes are usefull - the majority of the heroes make a good main(90% of all mightheroes)/scout(money and recource heros)/scholar(alatossar)
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