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Jinxer
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posted April 28, 2003 03:32 PM |
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Battle Tactics revealed?
This thread was inspired by a game with the Great Jedi Master. Outta my 35+ games played I have never seen a demonologist used agasint me. Until the Jedi Master unleashed it on me.
He was able to summon 8 devils per round. Now the reason for this thread is I would like to know if there is any defense for this. And I dont wanna hear rushing opponent so he cant get that high in levels. I would like to know defenses to this once in battle?? For example you can dispel or cancel illusioned creatures but this demonologist seems a bit to unreal. Thoughts?
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Youri
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posted April 28, 2003 03:51 PM |
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lol
I always try to use demonologist on circle of life or other map that is long enough...but was never able to summon something more than ice demons (at lvl 20). You must have played several months to see demonologist summoning devils. The only way to fight it is to prevent demonologist from casting this spell. It can be done by killing him, blinding, waspswarming, etc.
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted April 28, 2003 05:38 PM |
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or confusion
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Jinxer
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posted April 28, 2003 07:03 PM |
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Well those ofcourse are the obvious. I did trow mass confusion but he just dispeled it and summoned Devils anyways. I just cannot believe there isnt a way ( besides banish) to deal with summoned creatures. 8 Devils is bad enuff but if the demonologist lasts till round 2 of battle now there is 16 Devils lol. It is unstoppable. At least if someone ilusions 10 Dragon Golems you can waste a spell turn and dispel or cancel them.
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted April 28, 2003 07:06 PM |
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jinxer you will just have to say before the games no demonogists or summon devils 
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kolia
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 28, 2003 07:32 PM |
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or not to play such long maps (no, i did not say G....is  )
BTW, which lvl needs a demonologist to summon devils? 25-26? Except on superheroes i never seen such levels...
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 28, 2003 08:27 PM |
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Well you need grandmaster Necro & nature to summon the demons & he may of had the demonology book.
it takes about 28 lv ups just to reach the both grandmaster spells including probally have to get Summon & Necromancer raising skills so you probally need to get to a high lv 30's to get that skill
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zud
Promising
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posted April 28, 2003 08:32 PM |
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Edited By: zud on 28 Apr 2003
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he was only about lvl 24
I used a few altars, bought skills from magic university, also found a camel hole that gave 3 lvl's of death magic
I got gm nature day b4 final battle hehe
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted April 28, 2003 10:11 PM |
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there is another way to kill those creatures
3-4 mages high level 10 and above with banish (a lvl 16 mage could get rid of almost 600 hp summoned) , but it's better to use hypno on his devils or teleport fast his demonologist.
Have a nice day
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zordrac
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 28, 2003 11:16 PM |
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Cool. I read the info on it, and have been trying to get Demonologist. Just having Nature Magic by itself is really handy, but Demonologist sounds better. It appeared, on the surface, to be the best advanced class.
Is this true?
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
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posted April 29, 2003 05:18 AM |
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zordrac change your picture
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Thunder
Responsible
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posted April 30, 2003 08:15 AM |
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Heroes/Armies like that are what hit and run attacks are for. 
Propably most know this by now: To disengage an enemy unit from blocking your shooter, attack it from behind (aka from the opposite direction where the shooter is) eating enemy's retalition. A simple tactic that have its use every now and then.
But who needs battle tactics when you've got Sanctuary? I personally haven't found many other spells that could mess up your enemy's plans better. It allows your heroes sit safely on the other side while your troops march forward in safety (until they attack, that is) to kill enemy heroes. One ugly combo to do (if you are Order) is to choose Mages instead of Golems and let them multiply for the final battle(s), cast Poison with Mages and then Sanctuary. That is if you get that spell.
Having problems with Vampires? They are what Animate and Raise (Mages aren't totally useless against Death after all) spells are for. And they are the best target for Disintegrate. And don't forget that Vampires can drain from Death Warded creatures only 1 health for every 3 damage they inflict (instead of normal 1 health for every 2 damage they inflict). Binding Arrow is also nice to have against them when you are Nature (you can be 100% sure that you get Quicksand).
This could be in very rare circumstances the winner of the day: Griffins + Aura of Fear + Snake/First Strike.
Genies' Illusions easy to Cancel or Dispel? Not when your heroes are under the effect of Cowardice or Song of Peace, the very same spells that Genies possess.
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insatiable
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Ultimate N00bidity
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posted April 30, 2003 05:18 PM |
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i only need to congratulate zud..for being the first(and maybe last) h4 online player worldwide that reached the GM Demonologist status
i suggest a medal for it and a cherry for doing it to jinx
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AzureDragonTM
Known Hero
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posted May 01, 2003 10:07 AM |
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Hey Jinxer I bet all my money u played a nice friendly game.. with no attack until month 3 rule, with no taking enemy towns at all, not taking his gold mine, just killing all the monters on the map... and with 1 final battle and that's all... hey, guess what... that really sounds like Jinxer
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GrunanCross
Famous Hero
King of the Underdark
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posted May 01, 2003 11:31 AM |
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An archmage...lvl 25 or 27 with all good summon magic like summon mant/phoi. just use that on him i summoned like 20 manties and 19 phoi in bATTLE i also never even got more creatures from my town just made sure i had enough spell points,, kill everything by himself...i think it was the ex packs camp the one theat starts u with the arch...
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted May 01, 2003 12:01 PM |
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Azure -- Are you sure your not AndiAngelSlayer? Or MotorSchaaf in discuise? They always had problems staying on topic, and keeping there tossing outta posts.
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted May 02, 2003 01:12 AM |
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but hes so good at it
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