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rychenroller
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posted July 16, 2003 12:37 PM |
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WoT discussions
Even though many think he is slow...I'm still totally hooked on Robert Jordans Wheel of Time series. However after finishing Crossroads of twilight, I'm left with many more questions as usual. (Note, if you havent read CoT and want to preserve the book for your own pleasure...dont read on!)
Is Cyndane Lanfear? And was she stilled when going through the red door ter'angreal with Moiraine? I think yes because of her attitude to Rand (LTT) although she has come back quite diminished in power.
Who betrayed Egwene when she was turning the river chain into cuendillar? Sheriam? She is definitely in someones pay. Halima? (Aran'gar) trying to sow more seeds of chaos? Romanda and Lelaine trying to get rid of her? could be anyone
Is Taim really Demandred? I find it hard to believe because he didnt recognize Damer Flinn at the end Of Winters Heart when Rand cleansed the taint. If he was Mazrim Taim, then he would have recognized an Asha'man that was with them from the start, surely.
Is Suroth going to present Rand with a fake daughter of the nine moons? We know by now that Tuon is off galavanting with Mat, so how can Rand meet with her to organize a treaty?
And Asmodean...who killed him? was it Moridin using the true power? was Moridin the one who helped Rand before he defeated Sammael at the end of Crown of Swords?
Hehe, I have so many questions, maybe some WoT lovers out there have some theories...lets talk about it 
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posted July 16, 2003 04:37 PM |
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Hi,I can't discus right now your questions,because I've read the saga from book one to the tenth one for a period of 4 years,but I would like to ask you a question about the tenth book(if you have read it?)About its whole plot,cous I think that if R.J. continous like that he will need at least 5 more books to end the story..
P.S.How do you find the end of the tenth book??(I think it isn't very good compared with the previous)
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rychenroller
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posted July 16, 2003 11:41 PM |
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I said that to Lews__Therin as well, RJ loves detail and loves dragging out, I'm expecting book 20  Nothing much really did happen in CoT, there was a lot of detail but not a lot of progress, it probably described about 3 weeks of time. But the end did set up for quite a big book 11 (Rands treaty with the seanchan, egwene captured, mat probably making a canon/gun in the very near future.) It didnt have a big slam bam finale, but not everything has to.
Dont know about the Egwene thing because no-one knew she was going to the harbour except Siaun. Myabe the tower Aes Sedai were expecting just to catch Bode Cauthon (who has great potential) but wound up with Egwene...nice catch.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted July 17, 2003 04:17 AM |
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sorry rychen, can't help...
I have books 1-5 and 7-10, but until I find 6, I won't read the rest...
WoT is fun to read but it is not that original or unpredictable... it has a few highlights here and there but especially in the first two books, you could guess what was going to happen...
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Dmnd
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posted July 17, 2003 10:23 AM |
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I havent read book 10 - I dont think I ever will
Book 9 was just such a disappointment - 800 pages for pretty much nothing to happen?!? I just want to scream and burn the whole series ..... Like at first it was good, up til about book 7 but after - my good talk about repetition!
Jordon needs to be shot! Usually I love epic tales but my god stuff actually needs to happen, not drawn out til everyones fallen asleep.
Personally Rychen I think you should do yourself a favour and read A Game of Thrones by GRR Martin, youll get so hooked on that series that it will save you worrying about boring little details that Jordon is never gonna bother tying up 
Trust me, free yourself!
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rychenroller
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posted July 17, 2003 10:31 AM |
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Tyrion Lannister killed his Dad, and we are left hanging  Littlefinger tossed whatsherface out the window and we are left hanging. Jon Snow gets named Lord Commander of the night watch and we are left hanging...no author is immune are they? I love the plot lines in the game of throne series, but we are still waiting for the next installment. How longs it been? a year now?
No author is immune, and unlike you I really enjoyed Winters Heart (Avi, Elayne, Min bonding Rand, that great end scene with cleansing the taint) It had some real highlights...and CoT was definitely a low point. But I love Jordan because of the intricacies he puts into his characters (like Martin, Katharine Kerr, Robin Hobb) So often I read a series of books and I'm left wanting to know more about the characters. I love Jordan because of the ffort he makes here, even if it does go 20 books.
Its easy to criticize him I know, at the end of CoT I almost wanted to. But as usual I'll be hanging out for book 11
You should check out the bastards thread on books I made, our tastes may be quite similar
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Dmnd
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posted July 17, 2003 10:43 AM |
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Definately no author is immune, but thankfully some of them know how to be moving forward ... whereas Jordon seems to create lots more tangles without really solving anything or seeming to get anywhere .... I swear he drives me insane
At least waiting for GRR Martins next book we know that when it comes something will happen - sure prolly someone will die, predictable there - but something will happen You wait for Jordons book, and sure something might happen (I admit cleansing the taint was a nice touch) but look at all the million things that didnt get solved?
And honestly, whos going to pick up the 9th or tenth book and read it first? And yet heres Jordon still repeating boring little trivia bits that everyone knows and doesnt need to read for the millionth time... If I ever touch WoT again I will prolly have to hurt myself, really the only person I care to hear more of is Lan and sadly hes in the background too much atm
My trouble is sure I read WoT and hang out for more wanting to know whats going to happen in the long run and wanting the next book.... but the next book comes and its slightly more frustrating... and then the next one comes and well... they drift on with more and more left undone - I think I will wait til he oneday hopefully finished the series and read bits and skip great chunks
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rychenroller
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posted July 17, 2003 10:55 AM |
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I agree with your opinion on Martin. He is a dynamic author, people die but Jordan hasnt killed a main character yet (Moiraine aint dead) When I started reading A game of Thrones, I didnt expect Eddard Stark, Robb Stark, Caitlin Stark (etc) to die. I thought Tyrion would have been an early casualty but he has become a main character and a damn good one. I wasnt surprised when Drogo died, but thought there would be more on him and the Khalasar. Was shocked when Danaerys was going to sell a dragon, even though that didnt happen. He is full of surprises and very dynamic.
But I liken Jordan to a puzzle, yes he has drawn many things out (ie Asmodean, Moiraine, little on the Ashaman, too much on the Seanchan and Egwene's little bunch) But i honestly dont mind. Look, if there are a bunch of loose ends he doesnt tie up, I'll be the first to be bitterly disappointed but until that time...I'm enjoying the books, and I thought WH was the best book since Fires of Heaven.
But hey, thats just my view
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posted July 17, 2003 11:12 AM |
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The person that recommended Martin too me sort of let it drop that a main character would die, so when Stark did I was sad and but not too surprised .... but when by the end of the third book pretty much all of the main starting characters were dead I was shell shocked ... I swear Martin is brilliant though, have actually been contemplating rereading the series lately .... have you ever read any of his other stuff? I havent but am curious whether it is good/worth it
Its just so hard picking up Jordons books atm, you know that youre not gonna get everything answered and I am just so curious and wanting to know all that this is a major frustration .... sure once I start reading one I dont want to put it down buttt getting to that point these days.... I dont remember what happened in fired of heaven? though its before book7 so it cant off been too bad (unless thats the one where Perrin hardly appeared in which case.... !@#$!^$!)
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posted July 18, 2003 12:17 PM |
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I have one question does any of you know when the next book is expexted??And rychenroller why do you think Moarein is alive?Although the saga is one of the best books I've ever read.Jordan makes you dream about his unique world.The only thing I can't stand is waiting for the next book and the slow progress in the story.
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rychenroller
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posted July 19, 2003 03:06 AM |
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There are 2 reasons that I think Moiraine is alive...Min has a dream about Moiraine and Thom Merrilin getting together in the future. As we know, Mis viewings are never wrong (just maybe interpreted wrongly) and unless they were married in the past (which they didnt seem to be, there is nothing about it in "New Spring" anyway) Thom Seems quite excited and disbelieving when reading the letter that Moiraine wrote him...almost as if he cant believe she coud possibly be dead.
The other reason is that Lanfear came back in the form of Cyndane (i believe) from the red door Ter'angreal that Moiraine pushed her...and went with her. Unless Lanfear killed Moiraine in the land of the Aelfinn, then maybe she is being held hostage. There is some speculation that she maybe rescued fron the Tower of Ghengei by Mat, because of a few viewings in Perrins wolf dreams. They are usually a reflection of the truth.
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posted July 19, 2003 05:35 AM |
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And Asmodean...who killed him? was it Moridin using the true power? was Moridin the one who helped Rand before he defeated Sammael at the end of Crown of Swords?
Ishamaelīs new body and face - Moridin - was unknown to Cyndane/Lanfear and Moghedien. I think itīs highly unlikely that Asmodean knew Moridin long before he appeared in the books. Asmodean was the weakest of the Forsaken, and meddling with Lanfear.
But Asmodean recognised his killer.
Regarding Moiraine ... well, Min never errs, non-black Aes Sedai who arenīt (like Verin) too old for the oath rod do not lie - itīs set that Moiraine will come back, probably rescued in some way by her future husband, Thom Merrilin (who drags the blue crystal out of the fire in one of Egweneīs dreams, if I remember correctly).
Iīve read the ten books, but unfortunately itīs hard for me to remember what happened in 7-10. Two years of waiting every time, to get a new book are too much, when the storyline is so complex that you understand only half at best if you donīt read 6000 pages to start with.
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rychenroller
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posted July 19, 2003 05:58 AM |
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Yes, when Asmodean was balefired...he said "You? No!" meaning he recognized the killer. The other thing about Ishy (Moridin) is that there is conjecture he was never imprisoned with the dark one and the other 12 forsaken. He just knows too much and had too much influence.
Another part I think about is was the age of legends a present day earth? In the scene where Rand goes through the ring ter'angreal in Rhuidean, the description of the age of legends is amazing (my favorite part of the whole series, with the aiel past, the way of the leaf etc), the way he descibes cars and aircraft. Then in CoT Mesaana refers to "lifts" when Alviarin is climbing the tower to reach Elaida's new apartments. How much better lifts would be to climb something like the tower.
There are too many books or stories which are just straight up and down, no puzzles, nothing to really strain and work out. I dont mind rereading parts to refresh my memory, although there is so much to remember.
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rychenroller
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posted May 09, 2006 01:12 PM |
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Anyone read Knife of Dreams yet?
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posted May 09, 2006 08:59 PM |
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I can't talk right now, I not allowed to do this, but i read book 11, its awesome, and answeres all ur questions xcept the asmodean one...
That was neve officialy answered, ut graendal killed him. Cant say y right not.
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Arangar
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posted May 09, 2006 09:30 PM |
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I can't talk right now, I not allowed to do this, but i read book 11, its awesome, and answeres all ur questions xcept the asmodean one...
That was neve officialy answered, ut graendal killed him. Cant say y right not.
bye
I would guess this aswell. Graendal is the most likely one. She had the time, and she is just that type of person. Sammael is not the sneaky type, and Moridin would not be known to Asmodean.
Btw, Robert Jordan has apparently contracted Amyloidosis.. and might not be able to finish the series in time...
A question for the interested: Who are Jon Snow's parents?
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rychenroller
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posted May 09, 2006 11:30 PM |
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Well by the book, its Eddard Stark and some serving woman, cant remember her name but its mentioned somewhere. By the tabloids its Eddard Stark and Ashara Dayne...
You know something different?
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rychenroller
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posted May 09, 2006 11:33 PM |
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Btw, Robert Jordan has apparently contracted Amyloidosis.. and might not be able to finish the series in time...
Then he better give the rights to someone grrrr...series must be finished. George Martin anyone? 
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Arangar
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posted May 10, 2006 02:09 PM |
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Song of Ice and Fire
Stark - Ice
Targaryan - Fire
There are clues that point to Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, but ofcourse George RR Martin hasn't officially revealed this..
I'm not the only one thinking this. Besides, Eddard Stark would never have gotten a bastard.. if his personality has been "written" correctly (something I'm quite sure of, with George Martin's writing skills)
Only option for Eddard to get a bastard would have to be that he had seen a prophecy that forced him to do it to save the world or something equally important (in his eyes), but again, this is impossible to know until Martin decides to tell the story
Since the story is called Song of Ice and Fire, it is quite fitting that Jon comes from both Ice and Fire, as he appears to be one of THE main characters of the books
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posted May 12, 2006 09:40 PM |
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why is there a song of ice and fire stuff in a WOT thread?
kool 
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