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Thread: The Everlasting Battle... Black Dragons vs. Titans!! This thread is 3 pages long: 1 2 3 · «PREV / NEXT»
silx87
silx87


Supreme Hero
posted August 30, 2003 01:21 AM

from nature:fortune,giant strenght,DRAGON STRENGTH!!! and also what may be useful,anti magic
from chaos:cat reflexes,mana flare and magic mirror are the ones I like

Illusions is actually considered a summoning spell,thats kinda what it is,but u still need someone who isn't immune to magic to summon anything...which kinda gives titans the advantage in this point
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mustafa620
mustafa620


Hired Hero
Royalty
posted August 30, 2003 01:28 AM

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and also what may be useful,anti magic
if i thought anti-magic was a great thing to cast on my titans, we wouldnt be having this conversation and i would take Black Dragons over Titans any day of the week .
its basically choosing over a) stronger, higher damaging creature with ANTI-MAGIC, or b)less expensive, slightly weaker creature with immunity to mind spells, but otherwise no magic resistance.
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Illusions is actually considered a summoning spell,thats kinda what it is,but u still need someone who isn't immune to magic to summon anything...which kinda gives titans the advantage in this point
thats what i mentioned a few posts earlier, i'd choose to make illusions of (weaker) Titans than not be able to do anything to (stronger) Black Dragons - you?
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silx87
silx87


Supreme Hero
posted August 30, 2003 01:33 AM

anti amgic?depends on the situation!
if I need to kill a huge bunch of water elementals,fairydrags or genies,I bless my titans with anti magic,if I have it!
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LordZXZX
LordZXZX


Famous Hero
Overfished
posted August 30, 2003 04:30 AM

how 'bout if the black dragons had no magic immunity. The ring of greater negation. It maybe rare but if you get it wouldn't the black dragons be deadly? With cat reflexes, bl, slayer, first strike and the lot, they'd be invincible.

Unless of course...they were dispelled
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terje_the_mad_wizard


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Disciple of Herodotus
posted September 02, 2003 12:13 PM

One thing you have seemed to forget is that if you're Order, you have a 50% chance of starting with the Lord hero, and if you don't you can easily hire one. And getting GM Nobility don't take many weeks, if you focus on Nobility skills (not diplo).

Then you have 3 Titans per week! Versus 1 BD...
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
posted November 21, 2006 06:18 PM

Sorry to say this,but the Black Dragon is the best creature in the game.The Titan is worse than the Dragon Golem,a lot weaker than in h3 and h2,so I don't think that there's any competition in this thread.Besides,I've made a test map: the Titan gets trashed by the Black Dragon on a one-on-one combat.In h3 and h2,the Titans were the worthy opponents of the Black Dragons.Now,they fade in mediocrity.

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SoRHunter
SoRHunter


Hired Hero
posted November 21, 2006 06:25 PM

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Sorry to say this,but the Black Dragon is the best creature in the game.The Titan is worse than the Dragon Golem,a lot weaker than in h3 and h2,so I don't think that there's any competition in this thread.Besides,I've made a test map: the Titan gets trashed by the Black Dragon on a one-on-one combat.In h3 and h2,the Titans were the worthy opponents of the Black Dragons.Now,they fade in mediocrity.

But you forgot to mention the growth rate of both creatures! Of course, if you put any single creature against Black Dragons, blackies will be always victorious. But, if you take in consideration weekly growth [and, to some extent, the magic avaiable to heroes from each faction], Titans have better odds.

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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
posted November 21, 2006 07:16 PM

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Sorry to say this,but the Black Dragon is the best creature in the game.The Titan is worse than the Dragon Golem,a lot weaker than in h3 and h2,so I don't think that there's any competition in this thread.Besides,I've made a test map: the Titan gets trashed by the Black Dragon on a one-on-one combat.In h3 and h2,the Titans were the worthy opponents of the Black Dragons.Now,they fade in mediocrity.

But you forgot to mention the growth rate of both creatures! Of course, if you put any single creature against Black Dragons, blackies will be always victorious. But, if you take in consideration weekly growth [and, to some extent, the magic avaiable to heroes from each faction], Titans have better odds.

Maybe,but Titans aren't immune to spells,I I preffer quality over quantity.

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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted November 21, 2006 11:52 PM

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Sorry to say this,but the Black Dragon is the best creature in the game.The Titan is worse than the Dragon Golem,a lot weaker than in h3 and h2,so I don't think that there's any competition in this thread.Besides,I've made a test map: the Titan gets trashed by the Black Dragon on a one-on-one combat.In h3 and h2,the Titans were the worthy opponents of the Black Dragons.Now,they fade in mediocrity.

But you forgot to mention the growth rate of both creatures! Of course, if you put any single creature against Black Dragons, blackies will be always victorious. But, if you take in consideration weekly growth [and, to some extent, the magic avaiable to heroes from each faction], Titans have better odds.

1 black dragon is usually better than any 2 creatures in HOMM IV. Titans and dragon golems are not exceptions.

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stachnie
stachnie


Known Hero
posted November 23, 2006 12:26 PM

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1 black dragon is usually better than any 2 creatures in HOMM IV. Titans and dragon golems are not exceptions.


I have not tested it but I do not think so. DG's have first strike, Titans have Chaos Ward and Blackies cannot use their fire breath.

S.

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SoRHunter
SoRHunter


Hired Hero
posted November 23, 2006 04:23 PM

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1 black dragon is usually better than any 2 creatures in HOMM IV. Titans and dragon golems are not exceptions.


I have not tested it but I do not think so. DG's have first strike, Titans have Chaos Ward and Blackies cannot use their fire breath.

S.

And Titans do full damage in melee combat.

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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted November 24, 2006 11:39 PM

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1 black dragon is usually better than any 2 creatures in HOMM IV. Titans and dragon golems are not exceptions.


I have not tested it but I do not think so. DG's have first strike, Titans have Chaos Ward and Blackies cannot use their fire breath.

S.


You are right that in combat 1 vs 2, dragon will usually lose:
dragon's combat coefficient is 7266 (combat coefficient is objective value in HOMM IV, calculated as (attack*defence*damage*hps)^0.5)
titan's coeff. = 3005, 3681 vs. dragon due to chaos ward (*(1.5^0.5)), 2 titans = 7362
dragongolem's coeff. = 3759 (including approx. 10,5% bonus due to first strike), 2 DG = 7518

But when I say that 1 dragon is better than 2 titans or dragon golems, I mean that I would like to see 1 dragon instead of 2 titans or dragon golems in my army - not only the combat stats are excellent, but also flying, breath attack and magic imunity are useful specs.

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stachnie
stachnie


Known Hero
posted November 27, 2006 02:08 PM

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But when I say that 1 dragon is better than 2 titans or dragon golems, I mean that I would like to see 1 dragon instead of 2 titans or dragon golems in my army - not only the combat stats are excellent, but also flying, breath attack and magic imunity are useful specs.


Yes, indeed - they are very strong and useful but each lvl 4 unit has its uses.

Blackies - they do not have an obvious weak point but their fire breath may harm your own units, too.

Hydras - slow walkers but when you cast Teleportation, First Strike and/or Cat Reflexes, they are unstoppable.

Titans - they have no competitors (except Gargantuans) during castle defence.

Dragon Golems - excellent melee units, especially against undead.

etc.


S.

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Metathron
Metathron


Hired Hero
posted November 28, 2006 12:37 AM

The blackies definitely have the edge over the titans in HoMM II, but I am not so sure when it comes to HoMM III, still less with HoMM IV where you'd have one black dragon facing two titans (taking into account their growth). Has anyone tested this out?

As for favourites, I like both, but I'm going with the blackies, for their sheer intimidation factor.

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Totoro
Totoro


Famous Hero
in User
posted February 01, 2008 10:02 PM

Blackies forever! Black Dragons are cool and impressive creatures when Titans are just some wannabeZeus-potheads.

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zamfir
zamfir


Promising
Supreme Hero
Allez allez allez
posted February 25, 2008 08:42 PM

(H3 speaking): I preffer Titans because, unlike BDs, they are not immune to all spels. BD can't be blessed, but Titans can benefit from spels like Bless( 40-60 damage, not to bad a +20 damage boost), haste, precision,.... RESSURECTION!! And since they are leaded by Wizrds, they will usually benefit from them. And with the cursing-resistance of the BD, rember that we have spels like Magic Immunity( all spels imunity- hah, exactly BD ability, in case you ever need it!!), Protection from Air, Water etc. Not to mention that they are innate imune to ALL mind spels ( no blind, frenzy etc.). Yeah, they're more expensive, but they're shooters, and generally I put my money on the Titans.
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HodgePodge
HodgePodge


Adventuring Hero
Bard Extraordinairé
posted February 26, 2008 06:58 PM

Even though one Black Dragon is more powerful than one Titan, I'd still rather have Titans in my army due to their ranged ability and the above mentioned ability to have beneficial spells cast on them.
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Orfinn
Orfinn


Supreme Hero
Werewolf Duke
posted February 26, 2008 07:11 PM

I Always send my money to Blackie. That kind of dragon have never let me down, though expensive at times, but so are the Titans.
Ranged+Melee vs Flyer+Melee? The latter anyday.


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bigbadfly
bigbadfly


Famous Hero
posted February 26, 2008 11:04 PM

I'd take titans!
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zamfir
zamfir


Promising
Supreme Hero
Allez allez allez
posted February 27, 2008 10:06 PM

Just think, the BD is imunne too all spels, and that is. But if this all-magic resistance is useful in a certain batlle, you can simply cast Anti-magic on Titans (granting them the BD ability). And the cool thing is thet, since it's Anti-magic, it can't be disppeled.
Another, more subtle thing: you can actually cast spels on BD!!! There is a special artifact, the Orb of Vulnerability. It negates all magic resistance of all creatures of the battlefield. So get this artifact and cast Implosion on BD
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