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Heroes Community > Heroes 4 - Lands of Axeoth > Thread: The Everlasting Battle... Black Dragons vs. Titans!!
Thread: The Everlasting Battle... Black Dragons vs. Titans!! [ This thread is 3 pages long: 1 2 (3) ]
ElectricBunny
ElectricBunny


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posted March 24, 2008 12:59 PM

(Heroes III) Titans any day. Just compare the benefits of each creature:

BLACK DRAGONS:

-Magic Immunity
-Flyers
-High speed (act earlier, fly across in one go)

TITANS:

-Ranged attack
-Mind spell immunity (Hypnotize, Blind, etc.)
-Can be blessed, and resurrected

Magical Immunity: not too good IMO.
1) You can give it to the titans, just cast Anti-Magic
2) You can't be blessed or resurrected

Flyers + High speed: it doesn't matter if you have ranged attack. Even if you fly over the battlefield, you will still get hit by retaliation. The only bonus is you can deal full damage, but I suppose you could just cast Precision or Bless on the Titans for that.

JUst two things to say:

1- Try making a WoG: Lord of Thunder vs. Darkness Dragon war!! They have different perks and stuff so it could be a very diferent war.
1- Getting Orb of Vulnerability isn't too likely.
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Fauch
Fauch


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posted April 04, 2008 02:50 PM

the dragon has a disadvantage decause of hit and run, he has to waste a turn to stop near the titan. in the other hand he is immune to magic, so the thunderstrike shouldn't harm him.
I feel the lord of thunder would win.

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ElectricBunny
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posted April 04, 2008 06:41 PM

actually the Darkness dragon has hit and return ability

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Fauch
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posted April 04, 2008 06:43 PM

it's what I said and it's not the best ability to have against lords of thunder's double shot

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Lexxan
Lexxan


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Unimpressed by your logic
posted April 05, 2008 10:50 AM

See how Titans ruled! At least in Former Editions
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1of_the_heroes
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posted April 25, 2008 08:09 PM

Quote:
See how Titans ruled! At least in Former Editions

Indeed...Great battle, is it yours?

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Feenor
Feenor


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posted April 27, 2008 07:00 AM

Balck Dragons rule
Because In all Homm versions black dragons' cities were better than titans.
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=26173
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Lexxan
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posted April 27, 2008 08:27 AM

Quote:
Quote:
See how Titans ruled! At least in Former Editions

Indeed...Great battle, is it yours?


No, it wasn't, I accidentally found it on youtube.

I prefer Titans btw
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1of_the_heroes
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posted April 27, 2008 02:38 PM
Edited by 1of_the_heroes at 15:24, 27 Apr 2008.

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Quote:
Quote:
See how Titans ruled! At least in Former Editions

Indeed...Great battle, is it yours?


No, it wasn't, I accidentally found it on youtube.

I prefer Titans btw


Me, too.
Blackys are killin' machines, but that's just about everything they are.U just send them whereever and they start killing like sociopaths.A destructive force, they have no rivals in 2 vs 1, respectevely 3 for Thunderbirds (considering growth rate in H4), but can be defeated by the use of spells.The same goes for H3 and 2.When u say spells u usually say Heroes and that's what this game is about.
This replay also shows they can be defeated, even without spells, wich means Titans have my vote.I just love it, added it to Favourites, thx a lot.

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Elmstreet007
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posted June 22, 2009 04:15 PM

I've found the most terrifying opponent to go up against is a black dragon.  There's no curse you can hit it with to slow it down from a hero standpoint.  Even some of the stack creatures like genies, have trouble with black dragons.

Remember that even though Titans have mind immunity, they can still be jinxed with a lot of curses.

That fire breath can be a deadly thing.  I've seen two stacks get wiped out with one well placed attack, thus changing the whole situation in one turn.

The equilizer is that black dragons generate so slow, and are very expensive.

Still if I could pick 20 of any creature to take in my army, it would be the black dragons.  If I only had 8000 gold I would rather it be 2 titans than 1 dragon.
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Society99
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posted July 14, 2009 08:12 AM

Titans. They can be adapted the best to the situations given. Black dragons have 1 role and 1 role only; titans can have 100 roles. See, i prefer a lot of options in battle and a well working group of units that can be adapted to any situation.

Besides, i can associate easier to Titans than F*ing dragons

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BAD
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posted October 15, 2009 01:03 AM

Titans when defending a siege and you can empower them with spells and plus make clones.
I prefer Titans all the time.

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Daxora
Daxora

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posted January 12, 2010 04:15 PM

It's true titans can be boosted like hell with spells. On the other hand they can be taken down by spells as well. In H4 they aren't immune to mind control (or anything at all) which makes them really vulnerable IMO. If you have dragons, you'll have dragons until the very last.
Thats why black dragon is the best for me.

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Keldorn
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posted January 13, 2010 09:41 AM

Indeed, if we put a titan against a black dragon in a 1v1 combat, obviously the dragon won. But let's put this issue in a real game. Normally, when you buy your Titans or DBs, you already have a noticable number of spells. This favours the Titan's side. Also, the Titan is cheaper, so normally when it comes to battle, Titans can have about 10% more in quantity, as it might have been bought sooner than the BD.

However, under equal circumstances the BD goes first. Keeping the 'hates Titans' ability in mind (HoMM3) , it will do more damage, and the titan retaliates only after being hit (still HoMM3, not 4). True, it also inflicts more damage, but only fewer number of creatures can do so as the BD has already attacked. Mathematically, this favours the BD, as +50% of more damage points is > +50% of less damage points.

So in a real game situation things can differ. To tell the truth, I don't really know which one is better. It depends on too many things.
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Manindarkgreen
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posted January 14, 2010 08:56 PM

Black dragons are the best fly up close and overkill enemy unit in the game.  No arguments there.  However, as battles go, I prefer just a bit more strategy than that entails.  Hence, I find titans more fun to use.  In terms of power, they seem equal.  The two differences is that titans have range, therefore you are less likely to accidentally lose one or two fighting a slightly weaker enemy.  Conversely,black dragons have the potential to devastate factions that depend on certain spells.

For me in H4, titans. But there's definitely a case to be had for both sides
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AndreasPan
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posted February 09, 2010 02:31 AM

In my opinion
1)in HOMM2 TITANS ARE BETTER THAN DRAGONS(AND THE BETTER UNIT IN THE GAME)
2)IN HOMM3 DRAGONS ARE BETTER
3)IN HOMM4 DAGONS ARE BETTER TOO
4)IN HOMM5 IS A VERY DIFFICULT CHOICE(BUT I PREFER TITANS)

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Fauch
Fauch


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posted February 09, 2010 08:27 AM

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Also, the Titan is cheaper

huh what?
the titan is the most expensive unit in both H2 and H3 and in H4, they are as expensive as most other levels 4.
in another hand, the giant is very cheap in homm 3, kinda like the behemoth if I remember well, so you can have them before your opponents has red dragons, but most likely he will have black dragons before you can get titans.

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jswissman
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posted February 22, 2010 04:04 PM

I'm going with Titans in 3 and 4 simply because I can resurrect them. The Black Dragons' magic resistance is a double-edged sword; I have more fun with the Hydras in HoMM4.

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