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mustafa620
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posted August 29, 2003 07:54 PM |
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Poll Question:
Where do Griffins REALLY belong?
isn't it kind of weird that in (almost) every game they went to a different town? i guess it's cuz they basically fit no matter where u put them.. but there has to be ONE place they fit BEST. Here's their evolution throughout the years:
they started out as evil creatures, in HoMM1 and 2 - in the Warlock's Castle. they had sharp talons and evil eyes. They lived with Gargoyles, Hydras, and of course, Dragons! (Green, Red, and Black) i'm not sure about 1, but in 2 they had the multiple retaliation that carried on throughout the rest of the games.
then, in HoMM3, they became noble animals, and moved into the Castle with Angles and Monks. Look-wise they became less malicious, and when upgraded they became "Royal Griffins". I think they were ok there.
now, in 4, they're creatures of the Nature alignment, Preserve. They're in the same town with animals such as wolves, unicorns, Faerie Dragons and Phoeni. They walk on all fours now (even though they fly).
I personally think they're best in a Castle type town, maybe Haven would've been good for them this time. They don't really seem that much like things you would just find in a forest (well, you know what i mean), but more like animals born and raised in a castle maybe.. kinda more domestic creatures 
so, where do you think they belong?
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Dingo
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posted August 29, 2003 08:31 PM |
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I liked them best in the Castle
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Aquaman333
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posted August 29, 2003 08:42 PM |
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I voted Nature.
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 29, 2003 09:18 PM |
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Everyone associates the words "old days" with the adjective "good". So if the old days were good, the version from the older games is good  . I go for H1&2 Warlock.
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Kujo
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posted August 29, 2003 10:12 PM |
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i think we should completely revamp the griffins and put them in stronghold. they could replace harpies
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mustafa620
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posted August 29, 2003 10:17 PM |
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Everyone associates the words "old days" with the adjective "good". So if the old days were good, the version from the older games is good . I go for H1&2 Warlock.
lol - interesting logic but hey, some people associate change w/ being good, so it could go either way lol
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 29, 2003 10:21 PM |
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Well, I am a bit of a conservatist, and I just wanted to make up a bit of background for my decision to keep my post from being a simple "I like the ___ version best".
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Lich_King
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posted August 29, 2003 10:32 PM |
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I go for Nature...
Griffins are neutral creatures, not good or evil.
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mustafa620
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posted August 29, 2003 10:39 PM |
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I go for Nature...
Griffins are neutral creatures, not good or evil.
thats true, but they CAN go to either side (as they have done b4 lol).. that would be kool if they made a campaign about Griffins lol - maybe something about how the knights/priests made an alliance with them or something... lol dont ask
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 29, 2003 10:54 PM |
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I know how it was!
1. The griffins agreed for an alliance with the forces of evil.
2. Then they decided to see what it's like to be good.
3. Then they decided that neither is particularly good, so they chose to be neutral.
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kasparov
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posted August 29, 2003 11:33 PM |
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did a lil search...
Griffins are portrayed with a lion's body, an eagle's head, long ears, and an eagle's claws, to indicate that one must combine intelligence and strength. The three spellings for griffin are - gryphon, griffin and griffon. Over the centuries the griffin - as with other mythological creatures - has taken many shapes. The griffin has served many purposes, including but not limited to "the vigilant guardian of treasure and of kings. It has been called "The Hounds of Zeus". It has pulled the chariots of Pharaoh, Apollo, Nemesis, and Alexander the Great. A major heraldic animal, it has been embalzoned on the shields of knights and on the coats of arms and royalty. It has been watchful and loyal, graceful and swift, rapacious and vengeful, monstrous and divine. While the griffin is a mortal enemy of horses, its magic talons have detected poison and its feathers have cured blindness. Winged lions are not true griffin, nor is the winged lion of the sea. All of them, though - along with countless other hybrid varations - are 'gryphonic.'" The first griffin was carved on a cylinder seal from an ancient city called Susa in Iran. It has the familiar griffin form, and is dated to around 5000 b.c. Other griffins have been found in Egyptian tombs and on Mesopotamian cylinder seals, which were used as signatures at the dawn of written language. Later griffins, lacking wings, were found on the island of Crete at the Palace of Minos at Knossos. These griffins are frescos, painted into wet plaster and brilliantly colored. They "protected kings and drew chariots of goddesses". In later Greek art the aspect of griffins change. No longer protecters, they are now fierce beasts. Molded in bronze, they "feature a hooked beak, pointed ears and tongue. In Greek vase paintings, the griffin is often depicted attacking other animals or men, but the beast was also associated with the god Apollo and the goddesses Athena and Nemesis." Despite its large prescence in art, though, griffins didn't usually show up in written literature. The griffins most people think of were the ones featured in ancient stories, guarding hoards of gold high in the mountains and defending it against all who desired it. Herodotus mentions this story as being in an epic poem The Arimaspeia by Aristeas of Proconnesus. Pliny and Aelian talk about gold-guarding griffins, too. During Medievil times the griffin was either evil or good, depending on who you asked. Griffins in heraldy were almost always snarling and ready to strike out with their talons. In art of the time they are shown devouring sinners and ripping animals apart. In contrast to this, Church people saw the griffin as "a symbol of the earthly and divine natures of Christ". The unique form and noble look of the griffin made it perfect for heraldry. Female heraldic griffins on shields and crests have wings, while the males sport fans of spines growing from their shoulders. They live on today at Renaissance festivals and in our imagination.
A griffin is a fabulous animal, symbolically significant for its domination of both the earth and the sky - because of its lion's body and eagle's head and wings. It has typological antecedents in ancient Asia, especially in the Assyrian k'rub, which is also the source of the Hebrew cherub. The frequent representations of griffin-like creatures in Persian art made them symbolize ancient Persia for the Jews. In Greece the griffin was a symbol of vigilant strength; Apollo rode one, and griffins guarded the gold of the Hyperboreans of the far north. The griffin was also an embodiment of Nemesis, the goddess of retribution, and turned her wheel of fortune. In legend the creature was a symbol of superbia (arrogant pride), because Alexander the Great was said to have tried to fly on the backs of griffins to the edge of the sky. At first also protrayed as a satanic figure entrapping human souls, the creature later became (from Dante onward) a symbol of the dual nature (divine and human) of Jesus Christ, precisely because of its mastery of earth and sky. The solar associations of both the lion and the eagle favored this positive reading. The griffin thus also became the adversary of serpents and basilisks, both of which were seen as embodiments of satanic demons. ven Christ's Ascension came to be associated with the griffin. The creature appeared as frequently in the applied arts (tapestries, the work of goldsmiths) as in heraldry. In the latter domain, Boeckler (1688) offered the following interpretation: "Griffins are protrayed with a lion's body, an eagle's head, long ears, and an eagle's claws, to indicate that one must combine intelligence and strength."
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mustafa620
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posted August 30, 2003 01:05 AM |
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wow. that gets us absolutely nowhere - LOL! "The griffins are either evil or good, depending on who you asked"... sheesh I liked how it was "loyal, graceful, swift, and divine" - which would make it great for the Haven type towns, until you read further and it tells you that they were later thought of as monstrous beasts... i guess a neutral alignment, such as nature, is a good home for them. Maybe they should just be neutral, if they decide to bring that back, like the ghosts, nomads, genies, medusas, and elementals were in Heroes 2. Might could also be another place for them, since might isn't neccasarily good or evil... they should seriously make some kind of story about griffins lol
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silx87
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posted August 30, 2003 01:05 AM |
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well,I think griffins would go best to the might alignement,not only to replace the harpies who obviously don't fit there,but because they represent nobility,wisdom and strenght,which is exactly what Might is about!
about canging alignements,these are still different places!In enroth they were on the evil side.In Antagriarch(or how it was...) they serve the good.In the new land,they serve Aranorn,which could count as neutral or good.Like they were,good or evil,depends on who's asking!
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mustafa620
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posted August 30, 2003 01:37 AM |
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Different Types Of Griffins
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about canging alignements,these are still different places!In enroth they were on the evil side.In Antagriarch(or how it was...) they serve the good.In the new land,they serve Aranorn,which could count as neutral or good.Like they were,good or evil,depends on who's asking!
then maybe there should be diferent types of griffins - royal griffins, wild griffins, evil griffins (i kno, "evil griffins" is incredibly lame but i couldnt think of anything better lol), and/or some other types... hey, there are multiple types of elementals, so why not griffins??
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silx87
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posted August 30, 2003 01:41 AM |
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I'd say no to that!Thats exactly what I wouldn't want to see in the game!Creatures like:good griffin,bad griffin,neutral griffin,griffin with some bad intentions etc.
just put them in 1 place and its done
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LordZXZX
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posted August 30, 2003 04:22 AM |
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hmmm...how would an evil griffin differ from a noble griffin?
Anyways, back to the topic,I think they were best in castle (homm3)
Otherwise, they wouldn't be a logo on a shield.
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IYY
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posted August 30, 2003 04:47 AM |
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I don't think that the Warlocks were all that evil in Heroes 2 - just as their 'good' equivilents, the wizards, weren't all that good. I always saw them as a neutral town which just happens to be closer to evil than good, but neutral nevertheless.
And I loved the Griffins in that town. They looked just perfect and fit right in in one town with the other creatures from their mythology - the centaurs, hydras and minataurs.
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mustafa620
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posted August 30, 2003 06:11 AM |
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yea, for the most part i thought of Warlocks as "in-between", but i think they're technically supposed to be considered evil... (i did, however, associate wizards with being "good") - i have to admit the griffins did fit in with the rest of the creatures in the town, and when i first played Heroes 2 i never would have imaginined them anywhere else... now tho, after playing 3 and 4, my opinion has changed.
i just realized something - in some of the death spells icons, isnt life represented with a blue griffin?
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EmperorSly
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posted September 08, 2003 04:46 PM |
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Lets think of it that way -- where could griffins live? In deep forest? Feels not right, theres no place to spread wings there. In chaotic swamps reeking of sulfur? Hardly, too wet and too messy. Snowy hills and grassy plains dont quite figure as well, though they are a possibility. But high rocky mountains -- that could quite be the place. Even Kasparov's research showed that "The griffins most people think of were the ones featured in ancient stories, guarding hoards of gold high in the mountains and defending it against all who desired it." Griffin cliffs feels natural. So put them in Might town with the barbarians living in their rocky environment. There they also have chance to meet their old friends centaurs. They fit with might's theme of physical fitness -- griffin is strong, always fights back, and has absolutely nothing to do with magic. Typical might.
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UncleJR
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posted September 08, 2003 11:51 PM |
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Griffins
What next, we come up with a town called the Aviary? They would have the griffins, the Phoenix, the Rocs, perhaps the pixies and the harpies?
Come on, the Griffins are generally going to be considered neutral, and will fight for whoever tames/raises them. So, I'd say Might would be a good place for them. Wide open spaces, and plenty of company if needed.
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