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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted April 14, 2006 01:49 AM |
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Poll Question:
QP Posts - Editing and Deleting POLL
Before you post or vote here, read the other poll which deals with non-qp posts.
QP posts are the gold of our community. They have been noted as the best among the posts. HC is a public forum, and what is shared and given to the community should not be taken back or unshared, as it will have an effect on other members. Put simply, if you don't want to share something, don't post it. Doing something postive, and then undoing it creates a negative effect, and my aim is to modify the system to minimise such possibities.
Deletion of QP posts will be disabled - it will require the QP to be removed first.
A special kind of QP will be introduced - this Editable QP will allow endless editing of the QP post to its author. This will be used for posts that must be kept current, such as thread lists.
For standard QPs, what is the optimal duration of editing?
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Poll Results:
 3 votes (21%)
lock edit after 1 month
2 votes (14%)
lock edit after 3 months
0 votes (0%)
lock edit after 6 months
1 votes (7%)
lock edit after 1 year
8 votes (57%)
unrestricted editing of QP posts
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friendofgunnar
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Legendary Hero
able to speed up time
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posted April 14, 2006 02:08 AM |
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vote:unrestricted editing of QP posts
I don't think the peculiarities of the past few days require added complications to the editing process. The vast majority of people would be willing to show their QP's posts proudly. If someone does erase a QP for whatever reason, well... life goes on.
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dimis
Responsible
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posted April 14, 2006 02:29 AM |
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Edited by dimis on 13 Apr 2006
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Lock asap
Voted: Lock edit after 1 month.
I think I have explained my point of view here.
Even 1 month seems to be very much to me.
I would like there to be an "exceptional option" on restoring broken links.
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Loknar
Adventuring Hero
Missing Links
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posted April 14, 2006 03:52 AM |
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Edited by Loknar on 14 Apr 2006
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Unrestricted editing
From my point of view a quality post should earn its poster an increased respect for his authorship, meaning he should certainly be able to freely edit. At the same time, the quality post is likely to be vital to the community, meaning the poster cannot delete it and it is reinstated after zeroing. (There are however cases where this doesn't seem appropriate, see below.) Mods should monitor carefully if edits in quality posts respect the context. They should decide from case to case if the edit is beneficial to the community.
Authorship is most obvious in cases like The Gootchs Of Moose and Men; The Gootch Goes to Canada. And just to mention a link to the Owner thread: If The Gootch would find a publisher who demanded that this freely accessible version gets deleted, are you really sure that a court would come to the conclusion that Valeriy or HC is the rightful owner and could keep it? (I think that could be dependent on payment. ? [I'm no lawyer, either]) At any rate, for me it seems that The Gootch is naturally entitled to withdraw his work from this site whenever he chooses to, publisher or not:
If somebody gives you a lovely (non-decaying) present and after a while decides he needs it back, I think you should be grateful for that nice loan!  (Also applies to Xarfax, btw, though some of his deletions hurt the context and should therefore be reinstated.)
And Valeriys present is this site, so I think the poster shouldn't take his present back, of course. 
[edit: Special protection of the QP posts may not have the desired effect because of the different way penalties and QPs are given: The penalty is applied to the post, while the QP is more applied to the poster or the thread. In The Gootch's thread, only Day 4 would be protected (and the head because of the penalty), while the other days wouldn't be.  ]
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted April 14, 2006 04:28 AM |
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Allowing people to edit a post is effectively allowing them to delete it. I cannot make a feature that only allows small edits (or only fixing of urls). If edit is allowed, the author can replace his entire post with a single space bar.
As said in the other poll, please provide examples of useful edits that have occured 1 year after the post was made. Some people who vote against it haven't even been here for a year.
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Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
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Loknar
Adventuring Hero
Missing Links
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posted April 14, 2006 04:53 AM |
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Sorry I misunderstood you. I thought my example with the thread by The Gootch to provide sufficient reason that there should be no timeframe for the edit, because he may edit it beneficially at any given time.
But how should I be able to point to an example of such beneficial edits except in my own posts, since I can only know in these what the original content was? Or does your post imply I'm not entitled to vote for unrestricted because I registered to HC less than a year ago?
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Binabik
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posted April 14, 2006 05:36 AM |
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Has there ever actually been a case of someone editing a post after a year?
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Binabik
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posted April 14, 2006 06:25 AM |
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Quote:
If [someone] would find a publisher who demanded that this freely accessible version gets deleted, are you really sure that a court would come to the conclusion that Valeriy or HC is the rightful owner and could keep it?
I think this would be a very extreme case and would probably never happen.
I'm not a lawyer. But from what little I've read about book publishers:
The author owns the copyright of the text. Artwork is copyrighted by the artist. The publisher owns the copyright of the book. (the book = editorial text, layout, etc.)
When the author contracts with the publisher, he/she is not selling the copyright (although they could), but is granting a license to publish. The copyright owner, and the right to publish are two different things.
IMO, by posting here you are granting Val the right to publish, but you retain the copyright. I'm really getting into guesswork here, but I assume the right to publish can be exclusive, or non-exclusive. My guess is that posting here gives Val the non-exclusive right to publish.
Once someone posts at HC, there is a de facto copyright with all the benefits. And yes, I think it would hold up in court, as long as documented proof is available.
Bottm line is, I'm GUESSING that Val has the right to publish a post, either before or after editing. The poster owns the copyright, so nobody else can claim it as their own.
If PM were here, she'd probably tell me I'm full of bull.
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angelito
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posted April 14, 2006 03:28 PM |
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What i donīt understand is the following:
If a post is worthy enough to recieve a +qp, why will there be a reason to edit it anyway? Donīt care about typos, coz it was well enough written to be rewarded.
If u wanna edit/change more than typos, u prolly (could) change it in a way, a Mod would think twice to hand out a +qp for it.
Every poster has the ability to make another post in the same thread where he points out little things he wanted to edit/change in his rewarded former post.
So my vote is very clear: lock as soon as possible. Best would be, makeing it automatically locked when the +qp is given.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 15, 2006 12:44 PM |
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So if we delete QP post then you lose it.
How about Delete a -QP post, do you lose those too  ?
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dimis
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted April 17, 2006 04:54 PM |
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Edited by dimis on 17 Apr 2006
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Quote:
Allowing people to edit a post is effectively allowing them to delete it. I cannot make a feature that only allows small edits (or only fixing of urls). If edit is allowed, the author can replace his entire post with a single space bar.
Just an idea on this one:
a simple script can be executed and check out whether the old post along with the "edited one" (fixed link) match if and only if one discards all links. I think this one is not difficult, and can even be run remotely on each user's pc. If both posts match excluding urls, then 1 is returned as a header of the edited post, otherwise 0 and the edited text does not replace the old post in the database.
Of course, remote execution can be over-ridden and the user sends 1 in the header anyway (don't know how many though are going to spend their time to exploit that ), so, local execution of the script on server seems more appropriate. Moreover, I don't think there will be a chance that more than 50 +QP posts (  ) are edited simultaneously after locking-period has passed, so, there is no dramatic increase in the RAM needed on server, since it is plain text what has to be compared. Another idea, is the use of 'diff' command on unix(-like) environments: Generation of old and edited text - excluding links - and simple execution of diff. Yet this later one might slow down things, since hard disk is in the way.
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The empty set
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted April 17, 2006 08:55 PM |
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Quote:
So if we delete QP post then you lose it.
How about Delete a -QP post, do you lose those too ?
No they will stay forever.
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