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posted December 12, 2007 08:59 PM |
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No, my belief is unorganized with little information.
The information we have is....
Human intellect tells us that theres probably one most high in either power, control, rank, respected, ect.
Human intellect would say animals are very limited, humans are less limited, and others (how many) with the least limitations if any.
Bones are a fact. (You know, things archaeology would suggest)
There is a vast space around us, eunexplored by us.
It all kind of ends there due to the possibilities that "God" is actualy those who know the secret to DNA and how it got to Earth.
We dont know the way a higher being would see, hear, think, touch, smell, or taste
I could go on with facts and everything but I'm just trying to say I have my beliefs.
Billlions of humans have walked the earth. Aslong as I adhear to my beliefs I will not be denied a percentage of any pie there may be.
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Celfious
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posted December 18, 2007 10:40 PM |
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I hae to ask but does silence in the face of philosophy mean the philosophy is probable compared to other possibilities?
Merry Christmas anyways. So cute, christmas is lol 
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mvassilev
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posted December 22, 2007 04:09 AM |
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We cannot prove the absence of a God. But if there is a God, he/she/it does not currently interact with the universe. I think that if there is no evidence of something, we shouldn't believe in it, so I don't believe in God. But if there is one (equally likely that the world is a simulation by aliens), he/she/it is nothing like the God of the Bible, the Koran, etc. There may (most likely not) be a god, but there are no miracles.
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baklava
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posted December 22, 2007 08:54 AM |
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The universe is full of miracles. Our existence by itself is a miracle. It's just so common that we've stopped thinking about it. 
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posted December 22, 2007 02:45 PM |
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You're approaching this from the wrong side. If we didn't exist, there would be no one to say that miracles exist.
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baklava
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posted December 22, 2007 05:14 PM |
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To discuss what's a wrong side, we must define what the right side is.
And we can't know that in discussions like this
Do you really think we need to acknowledge something in order for it to exist?
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posted December 22, 2007 10:00 PM |
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Not necessarily. For example, early man might not have acknowledged magnetic fields (not knowing about them), but they still existed.
Maybe one day we'll discover God. (But I really doubt it, and if we do, he/she/it will be nothing like the one described in any religious texts. Or maybe it'll be the Giant Spaghetti Monster or we will find out that the world was created last Thursday.) Who knows.
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posted December 26, 2007 11:31 PM |
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The fool says in his heart, "there is no God." - Psalm 14:1a
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Over the past 50 years science has blown many holes in the evolutionary theory...so many that scientists are trying to come up with other theories to explain it all... people who say evolution is logical or has alot of evidence have never studied it.
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posted December 26, 2007 11:35 PM |
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Over the past 50 years science has blown many holes in the evolutionary theory...so many that scientists are trying to come up with other theories to explain it all... people who say evolution is logical or has alot of evidence have never studied it.
Examples please.
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posted December 26, 2007 11:35 PM |
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No other theories about afterlife or what u expect after your death from some more "hardliners" ? (ZanJerusalem, Shadey, TheDeath...)
I expect that if I come to heaven, everything will be well... great. I don't know more than that.
But I doubt I will see heaven if I die now. I have sinned too much...
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posted December 26, 2007 11:46 PM |
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Over the past 50 years science has blown many holes in the evolutionary theory...so many that scientists are trying to come up with other theories to explain it all... people who say evolution is logical or has alot of evidence have never studied it.
Examples please.
(taken from another thread)
The truth is that all the "science" evolutionists put forth is not science at all. Science is (or should be) the study of the material world. Instead it's long list of "what ifs," "probablys," "maybes," and "more-than-likelys." What they're attempting to sell the unsuspecting public is not to be found in nature it's found in their fairytales.
If you study evolutionary "science" you will soon see that yheir so-called evidence is never visible. For example, every creature on earth is said to have evolved from a common ancestor. Thus there must, be thousands and thousands of common ancestors that link each creature to the next. For example, lions and elephants must have a common ancestor....man and ape must have a common ancestor...squirrels and skunks must have a common ancestor...bats and whales must have a common ancestor. Of course none of these common ancestors have been found -- or will ever be found -- but we're just supposed to take their word for it because they know more than us. But the reality is, this is not science -- this is a bad fairytale.
Evolutionists have made a living the past 75 years on the Big Joke that is the unseen beneficial random mutation. This is the most ridiculous aspect of the whole fairytale. The notion that a once-in-a-multi-million chance mutation can be beneficial and spread throughout a population via sexual reproduction is truly outrageous, especially when you consider that populations are often separated by hundreds or thousands of miles and mutations are 99% destructive and/or deadly. Not only that, but a grand total of only 4,000 hominid bones have been dug up...(this includes humans, australopithecus, Neanderthals, Homo erectus, etc) Thus, there simply is not enough of a population for the likely occurrence of beneficial random mutations. Of course cumulative selection of thousands of such mutations has never and will never be witnessed. We are supposed to fall in love with the theory -- not any actual evidence.
So there's the backbone to evolutionary theory, there is no real science to it -- it's all nothing but a wild fairytale....a fairytale dreamed up by a select few who have no intention of actually studying the material world -- as real science requires. Instead, their only intention is to give the atheist fools around the world a vessel to latch on to so they can justify their own existence without having to acknowledge the truth of God. They will be punished in hell!
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posted December 26, 2007 11:48 PM |
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Tell me, Zan, what is your vision of life(better said existence) in heaven? A life without troubles and problems a place where all your wishes come true? Or some other vision, or perhaps you have not yet thought about it or have no vision.
For me a problem-less existence, meaning a life without challenge and effort, is a very dark vision. But then my mind and thought are not developed, and most probably never will be, to really comprehend and understand such metaphysical topics.
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posted December 27, 2007 01:03 AM |
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I have to agree some things in evoloution are ridicolous. Like the story that whales all walked on land and then suddenly all at once jumped into the sea and developed a way to breathe there to search for food..
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posted December 27, 2007 01:40 AM |
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man and ape must have a common ancestor...
Man is an ape. You must mean man and non-man ape. And there was one. It has been found. Australapithecus, ever heard of it?
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Of course none of these common ancestors have been found -- or will ever be found
Most of those ancestors have been found, and there are undeniable genetic similarities between many animals.
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The notion that a once-in-a-multi-million chance mutation can be beneficial and spread throughout a population via sexual reproduction is truly outrageous, especially when you consider that populations are often separated by hundreds or thousands of miles and mutations are 99% destructive and/or deadly.
That's why evolution is so slow.
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Not only that, but a grand total of only 4,000 hominid bones have been dug up...(this includes humans, australopithecus, Neanderthals, Homo erectus, etc) Thus, there simply is not enough of a population for the likely occurrence of beneficial random mutations.
You know how few of the dead bones fossilize? And you know how many of the ones that fossilize are too deep to be found, or have been exposed and weathered away? The chances of a bone to leave a fossil that is found is far less than 1%.
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They will be punished in hell!
Let me ask you something, ZanJerusalem. Suppose there is a god, but it is Allah, not the Christian god. Or it's Brahman or Zeus or Svarog or the Great Spirit (or some divine power not yet thought of). And he/she/it wouldn't be too happy with your infidel activities. He/she/it would presumably send you straight to hell. Why do you think that your idea of God is more right than someone else's? If you think that there is a god/gods, why do you think that your belief is the right one?
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posted December 27, 2007 02:28 AM |
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I have to agree some things in evoloution are ridicolous. Like the story that whales all walked on land and then suddenly all at once jumped into the sea and developed a way to breathe there to search for food..
Actually it was slower than that. It started with Ambulocetus, which, if Walking with Prehistoric Beasts is to be believed, was sort an odd ROUS (rodent of unusual size) that lived in a marshy area. Afer a while a few ROUSs tried catching fish for food. This turned out rather successful, and fish became a staple diet for the ROUSs. Over time the ROUSs began to go into the water to catch fish. Thus the ROUSs more capable of catching fish (because of stronger tails, sturdier lungs, swifter jaws, etc) survived where less ajile ones did not. Over time the ROUSs spent more time in the water, and they eventually grew longer, and with better tails. Their front legs adapted for swiming and their hind legs vanished almost alltogether.
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roy-algriffin
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posted December 27, 2007 05:21 AM |
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i still cant imagine a sort of transition in between though. even if you could hold your breath long enough to catch fish for a million years how would you develop lungs? how would it be more profitable in terms of it being better then how they were already doing
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posted December 27, 2007 05:25 AM |
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Prey might have been growing scarce. If their normal food (rodents, birds, insects, whatever) had been migrating due to changes in cilmate they might have had to look for food wherever they could get it.
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posted December 27, 2007 10:30 AM |
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Everything can be explained logicly anyway.If we try to explain evolution,than we will come to some borders.Why?Because we do not know enough of it.We still do not understand everything in this universe and if we do not than we explain it with religion and fantastic appeals.
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posted December 27, 2007 12:16 PM |
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Man is an ape.
So we are animals now!? (no we aren't)
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No real proof of it's existence, could have been ONE mutated ape.
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there are undeniable genetic similarities between many animals.
Because God created them.
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That's why evolution is so slow.
No, that's why evolution is impossible. Can't you see the truth behind this lie, this fairytale?
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The chances of a bone to leave a fossil that is found is far less than 1%.
Reason they are so few = there are no homo erectus/neandertalis/whatever. All you see is damaged bones from wounded apes or humans.
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Why do you think that your idea of God is more right than someone else's? If you think that there is a god/gods, why do you think that your belief is the right one?
Because I have felt his presence, and I do every time I go to church or pray.
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posted December 27, 2007 01:20 PM |
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So we are animals now!? (no we aren't)
So what are we then ? Bacteria ? or Plants ?
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