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Consis
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posted February 16, 2007 11:02 PM |
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Edited by Consis at 23:05, 16 Feb 2007.
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The_Gootch
You aren't going to shed any blood. It isn't going to happen because this man will not be elected.
If there were such a thing to come about; if it was indeed the last chapter to a revolution then I would be on your side. I grant you the idea is alluring and tantalizing but I don't think you have an accurate assessment of where this country's people are in terms of racial identification. I think you are too close to the campaign to get an accurate gauge of the state of the nation. You're in Illinois; the location of the state in which this man was elected senator. I'm sure it's all people who are very close and very much involved in all the commotion and excitement. But that's only one state. I'm not sure if that's how the rest of the country feels. And don't forget how high the African American segment of your state's population is. It is much higher than most other states. That should also be a consideration.
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the_gootch
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posted February 17, 2007 12:03 AM |
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Black people don't necessarily like Obama, especially the black intelligentsia. Many are either waiting to be courted by him or they've thrown their weight behind Hillary or Edwards. In their eyes, he isn't black enough. In their eyes they feel this country is not ready for a black president. In their eyes, he doesn't agree with their agenda. And that's a good thing. He isn't beholden to them.
As far as what happened in Illinois what with Obama getting elected, remember that we sent Carol Mosley Braun to the Senate in '92. Us sending black candidates to serve in public office has less to do with the sheer number of blacks in this state as it has to do with voters voting along traditional lines. Traditionally, Illinois has had Democratic Senators(Fitzgerald notwithstanding) as long as I can remember. One could argue that we tend to send Republicans to Springfield to be our governor but this is also the state of Adlai Stevenson, god bless his soul.
Peacemaker is right in that it is a self-fullfilling prophecy to call him unelectable by voting for someone else simply because you're assuming the next guy will refuse to vote for him.
Obama is the most exciting and the most provocative speaker I've ever seen. He is one of a few dems who has managed to speak to evangelicals about their concerns without pandering to them. He chides the liberal left for their lack of religious faith. He chides the conservative right for voting against their own economic interests. He speaks to all of us who want to believe that we can still be good guys in this world. He speaks with conviction. He speaks from his conscience. Eh, look at me. I've got what Carville calls, "True believer syndrome."
I'm well aware of racial hostilities prevalent in today's society. I was an enlisted man in the corps and the slice of america that was there was pretty impressive. I understand the streak of paranoia in some of these whites. Some of them had never seen a black person or any other minority before they went to boot camp. Many of them held onto the negative racial stereotyping and hatred their forebears instilled into them. That's fine. Let them hate. Let them serve their time and then retire to their slice of paradise and snow about how all the darkies are taking over.
As long as they do that and nothing else, then we will have made progress.
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Consis
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posted February 17, 2007 03:15 AM |
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Amen To That
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I was an enlisted man in the corps and the slice of America that was there was pretty impressive.
There is nothing more true than this. I do believe that I go to bed every night feeling safe. Good and true
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posted February 19, 2007 09:59 PM |
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...More like "self-defeating prophecy..."
I had dinner with my rather squirrely family last night. To my amazement, add to the list of unlikely Obama supporters my fundamentalist Christian father (who might actually vote for him but definitely supports his candidacy as the first really impressive Democratic contender in decades at least) my conservative mother (whose vote is pretty much already cast for Obama) and my Fundamentalist Baptist siser (who's taking a REAL HARD LOOK and also made noices of a likely vote for Obama last night.)
In fact, if you polled the table, out of ten of us adults -- more than half of whom are Republicans -- eight were either likely or certain Obama-supporters, only one week after his formal announcement.
I must admit even I was shocked.
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Consis
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posted February 19, 2007 11:38 PM |
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Edited by Consis at 23:40, 19 Feb 2007.
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The Country Is Not Awake Yet, Nor Does It Matter If They Were
And neither is the democratic party(certainly not in time for the next election). I believe that (for the most part) people are not ready to enter thought into this matter as of yet. But even if they are, the democrats will still lose the election. I know whom I will vote for but I do not think we can win. Obama is popular: true, but only slightly higher than 20% popular. Hillary Clinton is popular too: true, but only 30% popular. And Gore is popular enough: true enough that people will write his name on the ballot (whether he decides to run or not). Our good old friend Ralph Nader would gladly do his duty and take 2%-3% of the democratic vote. In the end the republicans have a much more terrible philosophy and strategy (not to mention the war) but their cohesiveness far exceeds all other setbacks. The democratic party is united in the House of Representatives thanks to Nancy Pelosi but it seems that sort of team espri de corp is limited to the House only.
Democrats are fractured in more ways than we can count. We're like a bunch kids on their first trip to the candy store. We can't decide over all the fun possibilities. It's over for us. No one will be able to defeat Giuliani. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great guy but he will not bring our troops home. Mark my words, he will "stay the course".
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posted February 20, 2007 12:30 AM |
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Consis, I want you to keep a couple of things in mind.
First, the polls you are looking at, as far as I know, include only Democratic registrants. I suspect the Obama percentage would jump dramatically if the polls were to include Republicans and Independants.
Second, I would also like to point out that the percentage for Clinton would likely remain the same given her standing reputation among the vast majority of Republicans.
Third, people are just beginning to figure out who Obama is. The fact that his polls rose by about ten percent withing twenty four hours after his announcement speech last Sunday, anticipates that the only thing he might be lacking at this stage in the game is exposure. With the wild fire-like manner in which news of him is spreading, I predict his numbers to rise steadily as the word gets out.
Remember: he only announced his candidacy a week ago yesterday.
Here's the only cross-over poll site I could find on short notice (have to leave in just a couple of minutes) as you can see, Obama is neck-in-neck with Clinton, Guliani and McCain in most of the categories.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm
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posted March 04, 2007 09:54 PM |
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Update: Black Vote -- Obama now leads Clinton
UPATE:
According to a recent ABC poll of the black vote, Sen. Barack Obama now surpasses Sen. Hillary Clinton 44% to 33%, a healthy eleven-point lead.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2917796&page=1
(second page)
Like I said, the only thing holding Obama back so far is exposure, which is now occurring.
He is also neck-in-neck with, or ahead of, all the frontrunners (both Dems and Pubs) in that link I posted in the last post, which has since been updated by several of the polling sources.
Pay particular note to the "never vote for" figures, which are quite telling respecting both Clinton and Obama.
Are you guys starting to hate how I'm right all the time yet?
MLAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Here's another prediction:
Al Gore, who is waiting in the wings watching the Obama/Clinton saga unfold, is VERY LIKELY considering letting the two duke it out for several more months, after which he will declare his candidacy, sweep the polls and invite Obama to be his running mate in exchange for Obama's withdrawal from the race.
This conversation will likely take place confidentially, and Obama will decline initially. Then one of two things will happen, depending on the numbers:
1) Obama will accept the invitation after it becomes clear that Gore is the Dem frontrunner (to avoid a three-way split) and ask his supporters to throw their weight behind Gore, or
2) Obama will continue to decline until Gore actually wins, then accept the continuing invitation to joint Gore's ticket as VP Candidate.
If this actually happens, we will probably see a Democratic White House in '08, since I don't think anybody in the Republican camp could stop that ticket.
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posted March 04, 2007 10:56 PM |
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Bold prediction
I still think the best campaign slogan would be "Gore '08 : Things could have been different"
This election is strangely liberating since anyone and I mean anyone will be an upgrade. It's like we're lying in a ditch with a needle in our arm and we open our eyes and realize that it's a whole new day and we've been given a second chance...
I like Obama, I like Clinton, I like Gore, I like Edwards. Hell, I even don't hate Guillianni.
But since we're making bold predictions, here's mine for the "haha I totally called it" category -- Mark Warner will be the democratic vice-presidential candidate regardless of who the nominee is.
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Almost there.
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posted March 13, 2007 02:20 AM |
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It appears that we have three new runners for 08. There is a clogging going on in the drain of the presidential race for 08. We have three new runners in the Republican Party, Gingrich whom loved to point the finger at Clinton while he was off humping the neighbor. Mr. Mayor who saved New York and the others that are not worth mentioning.
Back to Obama and this horrible bag of dirt they found on him, can you believe it, 300.00 dollars in old parking tickets! Amazing when we get a worthy contender they can’t find anything better than old parking tickets. This is going to be an exciting race and I can’t wait for it.
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posted July 22, 2007 11:08 PM |
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posted July 09, 2009 08:31 PM |
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