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xerox
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posted July 20, 2008 03:48 AM |
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Yeah they ran out of time to do that Illidan VS Arthas scene so thats why its looks totally like crap and is not really complete.
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VokialBG
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posted July 20, 2008 09:27 AM |
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And Arthas is not undefeatable. The Lich Kings has huge armies but he is not super god-like strong himself.
Thats why he defeated Illidan alone in WC3?  According to the lore the Lich Kings is immortal... but who cares they arleary ruined the lore with WoW.
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espen15
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posted July 20, 2008 01:32 PM |
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yes he defeated illidan on his own and lich king helped arthas only then when dark ranger had to kill arthas but kel thuzad arrived.
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DagothGares
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posted July 20, 2008 02:00 PM |
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but who cares they arleary ruined the lore with WoW.
Yeah... How come that there's a certain point where you can fight Archimonde? It makes no sense! Archimonde was wiped of the face of the earth by detonating wisps!
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Darkshadow
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posted July 20, 2008 02:27 PM |
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And Arthas is not undefeatable
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According to the lore the Lich Kings is immortal
Lich king is immortal, Arthas is not.Are you forgetting that Lich king is just inside Arthas?Not in a permament fuse.
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xerox
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posted July 20, 2008 09:00 PM |
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The Lich Kings body can be destroyed, by not his spirit/soul.
Arthas won against Illidan because the Lich King empowered him. If you play Warcraft 3 campaign you can see Illidan duel Arthas in Felwood. No one wins.
Dont forget that Archimonde is in a raid instance inside the Caverns of Time. The Bronze Dragons send you back in time to kill Archimonde to be sure that nothing went wrong.
Arthas or Ner'Zhul doesnt exist. They are one. They are now the Lich King.
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Asheera
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posted July 20, 2008 09:06 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 21:06, 20 Jul 2008.
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According to the lore the Lich Kings is immortal...
Come on, people! Someone who is immortal is NOT unstoppable. I mean, every undead is immortal, but do you see, for example, a Zombie unstoppable? Or a Vampire, hmm?
Immortal means just that: you can't die! However, that does not mean you can't be destroyed.
You can't kill a zombie by spiking its head and its chest, but you can destroy it using fire or other things...
Sure, in the case of non-mindless undead (zombie is mindless), the "spirit" will not die if you destroy the body. But even the "spirit" can be "killed" using special divine powers and prayers (ok, not in every game, but...)
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DagothGares
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posted July 20, 2008 09:07 PM |
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Yes, but the idea of reaching arthas is actually insane when you think of it... Killing him is even more far-fetched.
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TheDeath
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posted July 20, 2008 09:22 PM |
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Come on, people! Someone who is immortal is NOT unstoppable. I mean, every undead is immortal, but do you see, for example, a Zombie unstoppable? Or a Vampire, hmm?
Even though Nwn has an option for each creature called "immortal" which makes them impossible to kill (they reach 1 Hit Point, and then you can't decrease it to 0)
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You can't kill a zombie by spiking its head and its chest, but you can destroy it using fire or other things...
Depends on type of zombie, if the Necromancers only have control of its brain, then they won't do much without the spinal cord.
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Asheera
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posted July 20, 2008 09:23 PM |
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Depends on type of zombie, if the Necromancers only have control of its brain, then they won't do much without the spinal cord.
But you don't really "kill" the zombie I mean, you don't consider a person dead when he is "paralyzed", hmm?
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DagothGares
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posted July 20, 2008 09:28 PM |
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you don't consider a person dead when he is "paralyzed", hmm?
Take this to the OSM, before it gets out of hand.
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TheDeath
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posted July 20, 2008 09:35 PM |
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But you don't really "kill" the zombie I mean, you don't consider a person dead when he is "paralyzed", hmm?
Yeah well you have a point. (what about destroying the brain ).
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espen15
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posted July 20, 2008 09:59 PM |
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Edited by espen15 at 22:24, 20 Jul 2008.
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this is illidan thread not Zombie killing immortal thread and both illidan and arthas were cool heros well now only arthas are illidan had his own master Kilījaden or something like that and arthas had nerīzhul and arthas won and now in wrath of the lich king arthas will wait another heros but there can be only one true king the lich king.    and about illidan i have strange feeling that he will be healed i like demon hunter hero class its my favourite but illidan isnīt because he was to weak and couldnīt defeat arthas in reign of chaos he was far more powerful after breaching the skull of gulīdan i canīt understand why he was changed back- it weakened him   - sad but grin.
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Fedain
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posted July 20, 2008 10:21 PM |
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Yeah, Lich King is immortal, but stoppable... but you must destroy or rather annihilate (that's better word) his body first. I think throwing him into magma in Ironforge is not bad idea, or drowning him in Maelstorm... good luck, we'll see how blizzard invented this 
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xerox
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posted July 21, 2008 03:07 AM |
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The Lich Kings only weakness is the Ashbringer.
The weapon Ashbringer is the only thing that can truly kill and banish him.
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VokialBG
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posted July 22, 2008 04:05 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 16:15, 22 Jul 2008.
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The Lich Kings only weakness is the Ashbringer.
The weapon Ashbringer is the only thing that can truly kill and banish him.
Not really, not the sword is the one called "Ashbringer" but his old wielder - Alexandros Mograine, we accepted the sword as a gift, it was created of mysterious crystal from the red world (now known as Outland), found near the dead corpse of an orc. Alexandros killed thousand of undeads with the blessed sword (it was created to fight undeads) he was called "Ashbringer". Alexandros was killed by his own son with his own sword the sword was corrupted, Alexandros raised again as a death knight.
Now Alexandros is one of the Four Horsemens in Naxxramas (killable boss) they drop the sword - currupted one. His son is boss in the Scarlet monastiry.
If you manage to kill the Horsemens you may have the luck and take the sword, if you wear it you will get a buff called "Ashbringer's will". I had the sword when I still played the game. However most of the players think that the buff has no effect, but the true is that the sword can speak, actually not the sword itself but the will in it, the will of Alexandros Mograine - the Ashbringer, here are the whispering quotes of the sword:
I...was...pure...once.
Fought...for...righteousness.
I...was...once...called...Ashbringer.
Betrayed...by...my...order.
Destroyed...by...Kel'Thuzad.
Made...to serve.
My...son...watched...me...die.
Crusades... fed his rage.
Truth...is...unknown...to him.
Scarlet...Crusade...is pure...no longer.
Balnazaar's... crusade... corrupted...my son.
Kill...them...all!
as you can understand this is not the sword but his true wielder. If you have the sword and enter the Scarlet monastiry, the mobs there will kneel to you, Mograine's son will yell:
"Bow down! Kneel before the Ashbringer! A new dawn approaches, brothers and sisters! Our message will be delivered to the filth of this world through the chosen one!"
after you reach him, Alexandros Mograine will appear like a ghots, holding his sword and you'll see a conversation, between father and son:
Highlord Mograine: Renault...
Scarlet Commander Mograine: Father... But... How?
Highlord Mograine: Did you think that your betrayal would be forgotten? Lost in the carefully planned cover up of my death? Blood of my blood, the blade felt your cruelty long after my heart had stopped beating. And in death, I knew what you had done. But now, the chains of Kel'Thuzad hold me no more. I come to serve justice. I AM ASHBRINGER.
Scarlet Commander Mograine: Forgive me, father! Please...
Highlord Mograine smites Scarlet Commander Mograine and Scarlet Commander Mograine falls to the ground, dead.
Highlord Mograine: You are forgiven...
The true is that you cant kill the lich king, even if have the cleaned sword, but the will of Highlord Mograine will help you. He will stay in the sword...
as I see it, you can't kill the king, but you can clean his body of him. Arthas will become good guy again... too bad, my favourite character in WC3 was Uther Lightbringer...
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xerox
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posted July 22, 2008 04:15 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 16:19, 22 Jul 2008.
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That story has been retconned (which means Blizzard totally changed it ).
In the Death Knight starting quests in the next expansion a guy called Darion Mograine wields the Corrupted Assbringer.
In the quest the Deathknights attack a base called Lights Hope Citadel to lure out a guy called Tirion Fodring.
Suddenly Alexandros Mograines ghost comes and cleanses the Corrupted Ashbringer.
Darion then throws the new Cleansed Ashbringer to Tirion who uses it against the Lich King. The Lich King flees.
After that the Deathknights leave the Scourge and Tirion creates the new faction called the Argent Crusade.
The Death Knights knows that they cant join the Light again and creates their own order - The Knights of the Ebon Blade.
Both the Knights of the Ebon Blade and Argent Crusade will be factions you can gain reputation with in the Wrath of the Lich King expansion.
That event did never happen. Blizzard changed the whole Ashbringer storyline. The other son is not in Outland and Mograine was never a boss in Naxxramas and no one ever killed Kel'Thuzad.
Nothing of that really happened.
There is a small chance that Arthas will be redemmed, but its very small. Arthas doesnt exist anymore.
He is the Lich King. They are one.
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VokialBG
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posted July 22, 2008 04:17 PM |
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That's why Blizzard sucks
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xerox
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posted July 22, 2008 04:20 PM |
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I completly agree.
If they had kept the old storyline then it would give level 80 players a reason to visit Outland again.
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espen15
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posted July 23, 2008 07:09 PM |
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That's why Blizzard sucks
Blizzard wonīt suck because of just one thing blizzard is one of the best game maker company and if you compare blizzard with nival then youīll see that nival sucks really and blizzard rocks over others you canīt say that blizzard sucks just because of one mistake in storyline. 
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