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Doomforge
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posted April 30, 2009 10:40 PM |
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Fictional democracy
One thing makes me wonder.
Democracy is SUPPOSEDLY the authority of ordinary people.
And now look at how it works. We have people elected to do the job, obviously to avoid unintelligent people (which tend to be dominant in society) "ruling" the country by true democracy.
We elect people and they work on something that is HATED by majority, like more and more anti-piracy acts. (just an example - and a bad one, since piracy is morally ambiguous - but I can't think of anything atm - I guess you know a lot of acts that brought discontent though).
Aren't they meant to REPRESENT the majority? Not do something AGAINST them? They are elected by those people in order to represent them - not do against them.
And a funny anti-bureaucratic vid for you to watch, btw.
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posted April 30, 2009 10:46 PM |
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They're all reptillians. It's the only explanation that makes sense.
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The thing is, they're elected to serve the majority, but in reality they serve a bunch of minorities - oil companies, farmers, unions, etc. The reason for this is simple: the benefit for a minority is large, while the detriment to the majority is small. Therefore, the minority has a significant interest in pushing its agenda, while the majority loses relatively little for each little individual thing. But when you put all of it together, it's losing a lot.
Think about this: would it be easier to repeal all tariffs, subsidies, government-grant monopolies, and all the other minority benefits - or is it easier to get some kind of subsidy?
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Doomforge
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posted April 30, 2009 10:49 PM |
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You're right of course - but why do we call it democracy?
What we see every day doesn't have much to do with the definition of democracy... Perhaps we should invent a new name for the system?
Democracy is like, say, arithmetic mean..
And what we have is like weighted average, with influential minorities having extremely high weights.
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posted April 30, 2009 11:13 PM |
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It's called democracy because it only works if the stupid majority THINKS they actually DO live in a democracy, so they have to call it that. It's called the "prison without bars"; as long as people -think- they are free, they won't revolt against being imprisoned.
By the way, Mvass just explained something he called me a conspiracy-idiot for believing 
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posted April 30, 2009 11:20 PM |
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You're right of course - but why do we call it democracy?
Because most people don't realize that we're not living in a democracy, or at least, not a direct one. We're living in a replubic, aka a representative democracy.
Who wants to live in a true democracy anyway? I certainly wouldn't want to live under mob rule.
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posted May 01, 2009 12:49 AM |
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@mvass, is that really you speaking? 
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posted May 01, 2009 12:55 AM |
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Yeah, it's me. It's really quite simple and not a conspiracy at all. It's a democracy in that in order to win, people have to gather more votes in order to win. But it's a lot easier to "lock up" the votes of several specific pressure groups (say, farmers, unions, pro-life groups...) than to campaign for the "average person"'s support. Nearly everyone belongs to some kind of special interest group - the difference is how cohesive that group is. "Where you stand depends on where you sit."
And it's not conspiracy talk at all, because there's no conspiracy.
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Doomforge
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posted May 01, 2009 10:23 AM |
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Agreed. There is no conspiracy. It's painfully obvious.
Is there a limit to representation? Do we still have control over those meant to represent us? I guess not.
Oh, and it's not an "evil governmentz" thread.
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posted May 01, 2009 02:35 PM |
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Note that even if we had direct democracy - without representatives - we would still have the same problem. If 100% of the people benefited by a law show up, and only 2% of the people harmed, then the law passes.
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posted May 02, 2009 07:32 AM |
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Representative democracy that we are using today is fictional and illusional. We ellect retards and clowns to goverment hoping for a 'better' life, but instead we receive a ton of idiotic laws and the news is flooded by their scandals.
This 'democracy' is only creating monopolies and helps govermental clows to evade laws.
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posted May 02, 2009 10:57 AM |
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Yeah, not even my country has real democracy 
I think we should be able to vote for every single major descion, such as the law against piracy!
Now its illegal in Sweden to download but fortunaly there are the Pirateocrats.
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posted May 02, 2009 11:11 AM |
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Isn't Sweden a monarchy?
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posted May 02, 2009 11:28 AM |
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The King and Queen has nothing to do with the state. They have no power or doesnt do anything. Its just a "cool, funny, historic and traditional thing" and its popular among the Germans.
They bring in money to Sweden. Its basically PR
I can imagine that when Crown-Princess Victoria marries Prince Daniel next year we will get a lot of attention and money.
Also its cool because she will become the only Queen and Daniel will be stuck at Prince xD
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posted May 03, 2009 03:19 PM |
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Monolith said it all
There are ,many things that are called something but they are different thing. The same problem you would have if you looked on the socialism or communism definition and the countries that call themselve communistic or socialistic.
We have private democracy, capitalistic democracy where votes is represented by money. The more you have $votes$ the greater power you have.
I have realised that capitalism came after the feudalism, and in short there was the transfer of power from those who have it because of the law or birth, to those have the money to sponsor the bancrupt aristocracy. The early capitalist didn't want to share power they wanted to live the old good lord.
Democracy came because ruling the great masses of people with the old wayes isn't efficient and the people have an tendency to revolt. All the new economical-poltical systems came to be because of the problem how to manage ever increasing population. So if you follow this conclusion the more there is average people, the more democratic must be the country.
On the other hand people will love any type of form of goverment, if it works for them.  (the true power of democracy, you can even like to live under despotism and choose it if will be good for you)
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