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Celfious
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posted June 03, 2009 04:58 AM |
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Stand down at Ser Ngul Lo gold mine
Ok so the basic rundown is as follows:
Tibetan Buddhists regard this mountain as a sacred site.
500 of them gathered to block the road to attempt to prevent China from mining this mountain.
They feel for some reason that mining there will end up in deaths of their livestock and even their people!
The Tibetan Buddhists worship this place!
What do you think, take the gold, or let them have their sacred mountain?
I am unclear as to who the property belongs to, but I would find it surprising if Tibetan Buddhists had that kind of money to own a whole gold mine.
Just web search in any engine "Ser Ngul Lo gold mine" if you need more facts..
Yess.. information I can feel it growing yessss
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posted June 03, 2009 05:25 AM |
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That type of thing wouldn't even hold up in the US, let alone commie China.
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posted June 03, 2009 05:31 AM |
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Interesting, the article quotes one employee as saying the protests had been going on for several months. That is true dedication, folks.
We live in a sad world today if people's religious beliefs can't be accepted and compromises can't be made after months of protesting. In this situation we have profit for a large mining and lumber company at the cost of desecrating the sacred site of a peaceful people. The company, Zhongkai, isn't even on the edge of bankruptcy or anything. They don't NEED this money. I say let the Tibetans have their sacred mountain and go find another goldmine, no matter how much smaller it is. Of course, that's never how it goes with those big, greedy corporate ********.
It's not as if Tibet hasn't taken enough crap from China. Really, this is starting to get annoying. EDIT: It is annoying. Has been for a long time. 
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P.S. This reminds of a Gorillaz song: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd_ZyLqTd-Q]Video[/url]
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posted June 03, 2009 05:42 AM |
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so, plz correct my error in thinking thanks
It is a religion, not based on fact, not even tied to God's if I'm not mistaken, and they some how feel some kind of evil or something will happen to their waters..
thats nonsense.
I dont know if its evil spirits, strange gods or what.. maybe they just feel as if environmental negativity will affect the waters. I can't find anywhere what they actually pray too, but they do worship the mountain. Geeze, if I am ever found worshiping a 200 pound solid gold because generations before me taught me it was God, plz slap me and give me some money for it thanks 
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posted June 03, 2009 05:53 AM |
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So what you're saying is that the mountain isn't an important aspect to the people just because it isn't necessarily linked to a god. It still has religious and ritual significance, as stated in several articles I've read, and they are definitely sacrificing their lives for it. You seem to think that just because you don't know what they're worshipping makes it right to pillage their sacred place. It would be like someone coming out of nowhere and bulldozing the Dome of the Rock.
Anyways, I know it won't happen, but I hope Zhongkai reconsiders the plan for the goldmine.
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posted June 03, 2009 06:04 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 06:05, 03 Jun 2009.
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it is like a mug shot of a Muslim woman in jail. She should take off her scarf or whatever for the mug shot regardless of her religion.
It's like if we were to find an island with people who believe it is for instance God and the volcanic eruption risk does not exist because their god favors them.
Or it's like the same island that says the volcano will erupt if the explorers and modern technical gurus understanding volcanoes dont leave.
There are 1000s maybe more than this, of scenarios where beliefs are just beliefs and shouldn't govern the people outside of those beliefs.
In this case, we're talking a gold mine. The Buddhists worship the mountain, cool continue doing so, no prob, but the Buddhists feel if china mines some non existent entity will kill their people.
I can see room for compromise, but I dont see religion keeping China out of there all in all as being reasonable. Especially because I dont think the Buddhists have any more right to claim that mountain as there own as I would have getting a group of hippies who believe in peace and love and higher powers to take over unused land in some preserve or something.
I could be wrong, I could be biased, because I think they are being irrational about water curses or whatever...
But I am going to bed. I hope they dont commit suicide as misled zealots.
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posted June 03, 2009 06:21 AM |
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I can see room for compromise, but I dont see religion keeping China out of there as being reasonable.
Well, religion obviously isn't going to keep China out, but if they want their mine they're are going to have to get past alot of Tibetan monks. And we know how persistent those guys can be.
As for if it's reasonable or not, I don't know. I can say that is an issue of money and politics versus faith (whether or not it's correct) and morals. If the monks don't legally own the mountain, which is pretty much established by now, then it's technically not "reasonable" for the protests to keep them out, in that "de facto" sort of way. This seems to me how things can be when the law steps in. Laws and rules can sometimes separate us from our humanity and what we think the right thing to do is.
So, yes China may own that land. Yes they may be able to occupy and mine. By all legal means it may be theirs, but I still think that doesn't make it the morally right thing to do.
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There are 1000s maybe more than this, of scenarios where beliefs are just beliefs and shouldn't govern the people outside of those beliefs.
Yes, this is a very important issue about religions to me. I agree that the beliefs of someone else shouldn't govern another person who doesn't share those beliefs, but what about when the decisions of someone else affects another person's belief? Is that any less fair?
P.S. Goodnight, Cel. 
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posted June 03, 2009 07:28 AM |
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Well, religion obviously isn't going to keep China out, but if they want their mine they're are going to have to get past alot of Tibetan monks. And we know how persistent those guys can be.
Remember Tiananmen square?
Same could happen here, and the Chinese would hardly care if they get to shoot up Tibetans.
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posted June 03, 2009 09:29 AM |
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My personal reservations on this is that they aren't going to succeed. China as an enormous military and a vast hunger for resources, and if a few hundred people die in the process, so what.
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posted June 03, 2009 10:33 AM |
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Of course they should be able to keep their holy mountain if its a important aspect of their "religion". I dont regard Buddhism as religion but its classified as one for some reason.
But China is unstoppable and do whatever they want to do. China is one of my favorite countries and I know that its citizens are really proud if their country I do however not like the occupation of Tibet and the childish hatred against Japan.
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Celfious
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posted June 03, 2009 04:25 PM |
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I would take the gold
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posted June 03, 2009 09:29 PM |
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My personal reservations on this is that they aren't going to succeed. China as an enormous military and a vast hunger for resources, and if a few hundred people die in the process, so what.
Of course, I would agree with this entirely and the others like it. I know China WILL get what they want in the end. Just wanted to clear that up. 
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Remember Tiananmen square?
Same could happen here, and the Chinese would hardly care if they get to shoot up Tibetans.
Exactly what I meant by "persistent". The situation will probably end with violence on China's part.
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