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gnomes2169
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posted September 09, 2011 06:14 AM |
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8 month old genderless child.
The parents of the eight month old child "Storm" have not disclosed the gender of their child, since they do not wish for him/ her/ it to live a life filled with gender discrimination. By "Not disclosed," I mean that they have not told friends, family, media, or anyone in the government/ neighborhood who doesn't have to know. They have announced that, to keep possible contamination down, they will home school their child, despite not being too terribly bright. My reaction...
*Shake head slowly, walk away.*
Now, I want to see if we can think of all the problems this will cause for this kid socially and I want to discuss the morality of these parents doing what they are doing. Anyone else think that his is just an abuse of freedoms? Discuss.
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friendofgunnar
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posted September 09, 2011 06:43 AM |
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I wouldn't worry about this if I were you. When the child turns 3 and is able to ask for the kind of toys it wants it will became obvious to all what gender it is.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 09, 2011 08:25 AM |
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Not necessarily, the kind of toys I wanted as a kid would turn your head, and I turned out just fine, juuuust fine : :.
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DagothGares
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posted September 09, 2011 09:09 AM |
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I wanted knights and power rangers...
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friendofgunnar
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posted September 09, 2011 10:50 AM |
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What kind of toys did you want as a child?
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del_diablo
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posted September 09, 2011 11:56 AM |
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I wanted what toys everybody indirectly told me to get.
So yeah, peer pressure.
I don't see the problem at all.
Its not a denial of sex, but a denial gender as a social construct, and its position.
Lets say your a boy, and all your friends played with barbie dolls, and your friends is boys too.
And your parents did not even bat a eyelash at it, nor attempt to imply that its wrong.
Would you still not get a barbie doll if you had a choice?
Would you look at it and say its "girly"?
And we all agree that Blue is boyish and pink is girlish, right?
Except we do not do that.
Case in point: Many cultures view pink as red light, and red is the color of blood, and blood means war, and war is masculin in those cultures. So you would drape your small boy in red if you had the resource to buy such garnment.
Even Victorian England agreed on this, and baby boys where draped in pink garnment/fabric while baby girls where draped in blue.
And you will also find cultures that assigned different colors than red and blue to their kids genders too.
Which means that "i like pink" is partially a social construct created by nurture and peer pressure. And what I mean by that is: Sure you like pink, but would you have liked green if it was socially acceptable to like green?
Be noted that "socially acceptable" don't mean anything except what you might think about how the world works.
If you never are given the idea that you might like green, you won't consider it.
And one last thing: Kids copy adults. Adults was indoctrinated as kids. So the adults never act "natural", rather they act depending on how they was raised, and how they was raised affect what their metaphysical worldview is like.
A kid of a metaphysical nutcase will ether experience the world they grew up in as bleached acid, or fully embrace it. Or do something inbetween those options.
And this goes back to morals:
*Girls are useless
*Boys are suppose to never show emotions
*Girls are suppose to gang together
*Boys are suppose to bad with kids
*Kids are suppose to be childish
*Etc....................
TL R
They want to raise their kid in such a way that when he finally reached maturity, she won't be mentally ruined by social indoctrination related to how society treats gender.
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xerox
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posted September 09, 2011 03:11 PM |
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Believe or not, but this is actually SCIENCE in Sweden and can be studied at our universities.
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Corribus
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posted September 09, 2011 03:30 PM |
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Parents like this think they're doing their child a favor by protecting him or her from being constrained by what they feel are restrictive or even prejudicial gender roles.
Unfortunately what they fail to realize is that gender is not just an artificial construct. For better or worse, society DOES have gender roles - and some of them are actually good. Men and women should be considered social equals for the purpose of rights and treatment under the law, but they will never be biologically equivalent, and therefore they will never, and should never, be socially equivalent. Men and women do have, and will continue to have, unique roles in society. Men and women do have, and will continue to have, unique identities.
In short, learning about gender roles and gender identity in society is an important part of childhood development. If a child does not learn what it means to be male, or what it means to be female, both biologically and socially, the child will not be able to function properly in society when they become adults. I think it's good for parents to teach their children to be open minded about the realities of the world, and of course social roles are continuously changing - but on the other hand it's a parent's responsibility to equip a child to deal with the realities that they'll face when they grow up. Rather than teaching a child to deny what they are and how society will treat them, the parent should help a child grow into their gender in a socially healthy way. Refusing to teach them about gender roles denies both the good and bad aspects of how different genders are looked upon by society.
Basically, by refusing to teach your child about their gender role, you sending them into society unarmed. It's like never making your child wear clothes, or bruth their teeth, or learn how to use money, or interact with other children, or the thousands of other things a parent has to teach their child so that they'll survive, both physically and socially - all with the excuse that they dont' want their child to be "limited" by "predefined rules". Sure, maybe they'll figure it out eventually, but then again, maybe they'll end up being a naked, poor, social outcast as an adult with bad teeth and fetid breath. Who's to blame then?
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posted September 09, 2011 03:44 PM |
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maybe gender roles were important in the past, but now? there are less and less differences between men and women it seems, possibly because the way the society works makes them less crucial?
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posted September 09, 2011 03:49 PM |
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Edited by baklava at 15:51, 09 Sep 2011.
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10 bucks says Storm is going to murder and horribly mutilate at least eight prostitutes by the age of 30.
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posted September 09, 2011 03:55 PM |
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Quote:
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What kind of toys did you want as a child?
Nuclear bombs and F22's.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 09, 2011 04:04 PM |
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Pff must you pry Gunnar? 
Also Corribus, teaching isn't really the process I would've picked to describe it, but you convey your point well and I agree  .
Edit: also Diablo, as I stated in a previous thread, I myself enjoyed the company of barbie dolls, and I still condone it because I believe it's actually a very heterosexual thing to do as opposed to playing with action men. (As always IMHO  .)
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del_diablo
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posted September 09, 2011 04:49 PM |
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Corribus: Let me put it bluntly, find somebody else to bother with your misogynistic idea of society.
Your disgusting me with such nonsense.
You are arguing that we should brainwash our children with bad and insane ideas just because those are the status quo.
Your argument got a logical end result of something being extremely wrong in society, but one must never fix such things.
Nobody wants to be born oppressed and brainwashed, and yet you advocate such a silly thing.
Edit: wrong avatar and wrong person. Sorry 'bout that gents, edited and fixed now.
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posted September 09, 2011 04:50 PM |
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maybe gender roles were important in the past, but now? there are less and less differences between men and women it seems, possibly because the way the society works makes them less crucial?
There will always be biological differences between men and women. Gender roles are changing, of course, but sexual identity is still important. Why try to force people to be socially androgynous? Reality is you can't grow up as a socially androgynous individual and expect to function normally in a sexual society. Parents who don't encourage the formation of normal sexual identity are simply handicapping their children.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 09, 2011 04:51 PM |
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I see no posts made by Mythical, Diablo, nor do I see you quoting his post, I advise you edit accordingly . Lol nevermind 
Edit: A parent cannot teach anything to a child, the only thing a parent can do is influence the way their child sees the world (and acts of course) via example or by placing them in an enviroment where they can learn (see it in action?), but in the end it is the child (not just them but for the reasons of this conversation) who decides what to pick up on, regardless of what he/she was given.
("regardless of what he/she was given" - not entirely true, but I hope you understand)
Example: rich kid doesn't = to smart kid and vise versa. (well not at first anyhow )
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posted September 09, 2011 04:52 PM |
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Poor kid. Great name tho.
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posted September 09, 2011 04:55 PM |
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with your misogynistic idea of society.
Your disgusting me with such nonsense.
Can you identify where the misogynism is in that post please?
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Corribus
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posted September 09, 2011 04:59 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 17:00, 09 Sep 2011.
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@Diablo
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You are arguing that we should brainwash our children with bad and insane ideas just because those are the status quo.
That's not what I'm arguing at all.
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del_diablo
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posted September 09, 2011 05:07 PM |
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Corribus: Your supporting it, hence you are arguing for it.
Cepheus:
Misogyny ( /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls
However, do my perverting due the internet I guess the word I am locking for is named "Sexism" per defintion.
And I found lots of it, in a post advocating gender indoctrination.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 09, 2011 05:08 PM |
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Besides Diablo I don't believe that a parent is capable of 'brain washing' their child, no matter how much they want to or try, limited success maybe, but to succed in it is a definate no. The best they might accomplish is srcew up their kid.
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