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LizardWarrior
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posted August 17, 2014 11:04 PM |
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^^That made me laugh  
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VOKIALBG
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posted August 17, 2014 11:15 PM |
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How can't it? 
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Thanir
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posted August 18, 2014 12:26 AM |
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Edited by Thanir at 00:28, 18 Aug 2014.
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kayna said:
Snow white as the hero and an army of seven dwarves.
You forgot the random dragon! Every Heroes faction needs a random dragon every now and then!
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mvassilev
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posted August 18, 2014 02:59 AM |
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Heretical as it may sound, I'd like to see a Fortress-Forge hybrid, something that looks like this:
Core:
Defender
Musketeer
Alchemist
Elite:
Golem
Flying Machine (looks like Da Vinci's flying machine)
Venom Spawn
Champion:
Dragon Golem
Giant (like those in Skyrim)
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JeremiahEmo
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posted August 18, 2014 03:51 AM |
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good lineup mvassilev. Though, I'd replace golems with something else because we already have those in Academy. Now that you brought up machines in dwarf lineup, let me try to improve that:
Core:
1. Defender -> Shieldguard
2. Blacksmith -> Mastersmith
3. White Bear -> Armored Bear
Elite:
4. Alchemist -> Potion Master - in place of Rune Priests
5. Gycopter -> Steel Gycopter - your Flying Machine needs a better name
6. Thane -> Thunder Thane
Champion:
7. Steam Tank -> Flaming Tank
8. Jotunn -> Fire Giant - very close to Magma Dragons
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mvassilev
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posted August 18, 2014 08:38 AM |
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I don't like Thanes because giant dwarves are a lol idea. I'd like them replaced with actual giants. As for Gyrocopters, they're a bit too much of a Warcraft ripoff. The rest of your lineup seems decent, though.
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VOKIALBG
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posted August 18, 2014 09:01 AM |
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Edited by VOKIALBG at 09:04, 18 Aug 2014.
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I'll welcome again the Dragon golem. But humanoid Golems are already in Academy.
Best solution - brink the dwarves and their creations back to Academy. That was very specific part of Heroes.
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Darkem
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posted August 18, 2014 09:14 AM |
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I'll welcome again the Dragon golem.
Preach! It's a great idea, but Ubi is trying hard to convince us to "like" their version of M&M world, so they won't drop idea of dwarven Fortress in the near future. Maybe after few new games when they decide to move story after Dark Messiah we will see big changes in factions. I'd love to see dwarves in Academy once again (Yeah, I'm a hopeless fan of H4's Academy ).
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Avonu
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posted August 18, 2014 09:22 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 09:27, 18 Aug 2014.
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The problem with Dragon Golem in Ashan is that, it's already in Academy line-up:
mvassilev said:
I don't like Thanes because giant dwarves are a lol idea. I'd like them replaced with actual giants.
If Fortress will be in H7 someday, we have a good chance to see Fire Giants... which IIRC are dwarves  (ok, Dwarf spirits or something like that). We probably also see Valkyries which are... fire spirit (read: recoulored Glories form H6 ).
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Steyn
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posted August 18, 2014 09:33 AM |
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Edited by Steyn at 09:36, 18 Aug 2014.
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Well, as academy lost their gunpowder gremlins, I don't see why we cannot have a more forge-like fortress faction. Dwarfs with muskets, flame throwers and tanks seem imho fitting for the fire nation. (maybe combining the flame thrower dwarf and the tank into a flame thrower tank; could resemble a dragon)
These Ashan dwarves are fire aligned, so I think some people need to lose the idea of ice giants and polar bears. The dwarfs live in caves, so as bearkin they can have cave bears in the line-up.
I really loved the heroes V Thanes and I hope they will return in the form of fire giants. Also I like the idea of Valkyries, although I imagine them more as a cross between a seraph, and fire elemental than as the ashen glory shown in the artwork.
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MattII
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posted August 18, 2014 09:48 AM |
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mvassilev said:
Heretical as it may sound, I'd like to see a Fortress-Forge hybrid, something that looks like this:
Interesting idea, but Academy's in, so that's a no-can-do.
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VOKIALBG
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posted August 18, 2014 09:51 AM |
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@Avonu: I don't see why they cant be transfered to the town of the dwarves, or to stay in academy if the dwarves finally return where they belong in Heroes series - as part of the wizard town. But I don't like how they look in this card game. H4 style is better, they look much more like a machine, and since they were made by dwarves, they must not be that magical and perfect.
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War-overlord
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posted August 18, 2014 09:55 AM |
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VOKIALBG said:
@Avonu: I don't see why they cant be transfered to the town of the dwarves, or to stay in academy if the dwarves finally return where they belong in Heroes series
I can see why that cannot be. It is because Ubisoft is far too fond of it's own universe to make any drastic changes.
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Avonu
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posted August 18, 2014 10:16 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 10:17, 18 Aug 2014.
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VOKIALBG said:
@Avonu: I don't see why they cant be transfered to the town of the dwarves, or to stay in academy
As War-overlord said, Ubisoft created Ashan with strickly rules and wants to stick to them no matter the cost... or reasons.
VOKIALBG said:
if the dwarves finally return where they belong in Heroes series - as part of the wizard fairy/magical town
Fixed for you - now it's correct.
Not that Dwarves in Academy in H4 were bad idea, but first of all they were associated with forest/fairy faction in Heroes franchise.
War-overlord said:
I can see why that cannot be. It is because Ubisoft is far too fond of it's own universe to make any drastic changes.
That's bottleneck of Ubisoft's MM world - we don't get new/different races/factions/line-ups because all need to be correct with lore.
NWC if wanted, could change what they needed, for good or bad. With Ashan we are sticked with 9 factions, fire dwarves, elven sylvan or dungeon towns, etc.
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Jiriki9
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posted August 18, 2014 10:38 AM |
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Hmmm, if Fortress would be in, I would like it to look somewhat like this:
CORE:
-Rune Blades > SPiked blades (Upgrade could use better name. Blades enchanted with very powerful runes so they fly and fight on their own.)
-Javeliner > ??? (I have no better idea for dwarven range fitting in the Ashan dwarves, I fear)
-Rune Priest > Rune Elder
ELITE:
-Steel Guard > Rune Guard (HEAVILY armored Dwarf with a hammer or axe weapon)
-Snow Bear > Armoured Bear (yes, I like that idea)
-Chariot > War Chariot (Drawn by Capricorns, has 2 looks (sled for snow, wheel for elsewhere)
Champion:
-Fire Dragon > magma Dragon
-Thane > Thunder Thane
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mvassilev
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posted August 18, 2014 11:09 AM |
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MattII said:
mvassilev said:
Heretical as it may sound, I'd like to see a Fortress-Forge hybrid, something that looks like this:
Interesting idea, but Academy's in, so that's a no-can-do.
Academy can focus more on magical beasts and less on mechanics. For example:
Core:
Gremlin
Boar
Dervish
Elite:
Mage
Rakshasa
Genie
Champion:
Psy-Spirit (like the H3 Psychic Elemental)
Titan
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MattII
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posted August 18, 2014 03:25 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 15:27, 18 Aug 2014.
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Could, but won't, it would go against all the 'effort' Ubi's put into the faction up to now.
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VOKIALBG
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posted August 18, 2014 03:41 PM |
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There is no need of this: merging magical and mechanical creatures. Its much better just to merge Academy with the dwarves.
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Steyn
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posted August 18, 2014 04:01 PM |
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What's wrong with the dwarves, known for their prowess as smiths and engineers, to have some mechanical unit(s)? IMHO this can be really different from the golems of academy. the one are beings of living clay/steel, while the others are smoking machines with gears, hoses, axes etc.
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Darkem
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posted August 18, 2014 04:17 PM |
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Edited by Darkem at 16:17, 18 Aug 2014.
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We shouldn't generalise. Ashan is (even if mostly generic) Ubisoft's original world and so far dwarves didn't show off their (assumed by many) engineering skills. I think that in Ashan they are mostly Arkath's warriors specialized in blacksmithing and rune magic. They have nothing to do with technology. It's a different world so rules and ideas from other novels/stories/legends do not need to be present.
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