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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
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posted November 26, 2014 08:59 PM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 21:18, 26 Nov 2014.
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Chronology of Creatures appearance in HoMM Factions..
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 Farm(H1) / Knight(H2) / Castle(H3) / Life-Haven(H4) / Haven(H5-H6-H7)
(H1) Peasant
(H2) Peasant
(H5) Peasant – Conscript - Brute
 
  
(H1) Archer
(H2) Archer – Ranger
(H3) Archer – Marksman
(H4) Crossbowman
(H5) Archer – Marksman – Crossbowman
(H6) Crossbowman – Marksman
(H7) Crossbowman* - Marksman*
  
 
   
 
(H1) Pikeman
(H2) Pikeman – Veteran Pikeman
(H3) Pikeman – Halberdier
(H4) Pikeman
(H6) Sentinel – Praetorian
(H7) Sentinel* - Legionnaire*
  
 
  
(H1) Swordsman
(H2) Swordsman – Master Swordsman
(H3) Swordsman – Crusader
(H4) Crusader
(H5) Footman – Squire - Vindicator
  
 
   
(H1) Cavalry
(H2) Cavalier – Champion
(H3) Cavalier – Champion
(H4) Champion
(H5) Cavalier – Paladin – Champion
(H6) Sun Rider – Sun Crusader
(H7) Cavalier* - Cuirassier*
  
 
   
 
(H1) Paladin
(H2) Paladin - Crusader
  
(H3) Griffin – Royal Griffin
(H5) Griffin – Imperial Griffin – Battle Griffin
(H6) Griffin – Imperial Griffin
 
  
 
(H3) Monk – Zealot
(H4) Monk
(H5) Priest – Inquisitor – Zealot
(H7) Chaplain* – Abbot*
 
   
(H3) Angel – Archangel
(H4) Angel
(H5) Angel – Archangel – Seraph
(H6) Seraph – Celestial
(H7) Seraph* – Celestial*
 
   
 
(H4) Squire
(H4) Ballista
(H6) Sister – Vestal
 
(H6) Radiant Glory – Blazing Glory
 
(H7) Dire Wolf* – Silverback*
(H7) Guardian* – Justicar*
(H7) Landsknecht* – Swordmaster*
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 Mountain(H1) / Warlock(H2) / Dungeon(H3) / Chaos-Asylum(H4) / Dungeon(H5-H6-H7)
(H1) Centaur
(H2) Centaur
 
(H1) Gargoyle
(H2) Gargoyle
 
(H1) Griffin
(H2) Griffin
 
(H1) Minotaur
(H2) Minotaur – Minotaur King
(H3) Minotaur – Minotaur King
(H4) Minotaur
(H5) Minotaur – Minotaur Guard – Minotaur Taskmaster
(H6) Minotaur – Minotaur Guard
(H7) Minotaur* – Minotaur Guard*
  
 
   
 
(H1) Hydra
(H2) Hydra
(H4) Hydra
(H5) Hydra – Deep Hydra – Foul Hydra
(H7) Cave Hydra* – Dark Hydra*
  
  
(H1) Dragon
(H2) Green Dragon – Red Dragon – Black Dragon
(H3) Red Dragon – Black Dragon
(H4) Black Dragon
(H5) Shadow Dragon – Black Dragon – Red Dragon
(H6) Shadow Dragon – Black Dragon
(H7) Shadow Dragon* – Black Dragon*
   
 
   
 
(H3) Troglodyte – Infernal Troglodyte
(H7) Troglodyte* – Chthonian*
 
(H3) Harpy – Harpy Hag
 
(H3) Beholder – Evil Eye
(H6) Shadow Lurker – Shadow Watcher
 
 
(H3) Medusa – Medusa Queen
(H4) Medusa
(H7) Medusa* – Medusa Sorceress*
 
(H3) Manticore – Scorpicore
(H6) Manticore – Scorpicore
 
 
(H4) Bandit
(H5) Scout – Assassin – Stalker
(H6) Assassin – Shade
(H7) Assassin* – Shade*
   
 
(H4) Orc
(H4) Efreet
(H4) Nightmare
(H5) Blood Maiden – Blood Fury – Blood Sister
  
(H5) Dark Raider – Grim Raider – Brisk Raider
  
(H5) Shadow Witch – Shadow Matriarch – Shadow Mistress
  
(H6) Stalker – Chakram Dancer
(H7) Stalker* – Tracker*
 
(H6) Faceless – Faceless Puppeteer
 
(H7) Strider* – Soulless*
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 Plains(H1) / Barbarian(H2) / Stronghold(H3) / Might-Stronghold(H4) / Stronghold(H5-H6-H7)
(H1) Goblin
(H2) Goblin
(H3) Goblin – Hobgoblin
(H5) Goblin – Goblin Trapper – Goblin WitchDoctor
(H6) Goblin – Goblin Hunter
 
 
  
 
(H1) Orc
(H2) Orc – Orc Chieftain
(H3) Orc – Orc Chieftain
  
 
(H1) Wolf
(H2) Wolf
(H3) Wolf – Wolf Raider
 
 
(H1) Ogre
(H2) Ogre – Ogre Lord
(H3) Ogre – Ogre Magi
(H4) Ogre Mage
  
 
(H1) Troll
(H2) Troll – War Troll
  
(H1) Cyclops
(H2) Cyclops
(H3) Cyclops – Cyclops King
(H4) Cyclops
(H5) Cyclops – Untamed Cyclops – Bloodeyed Cyclops
(H6) Cyclops – Enraged Cyclops
 
 
   
 
(H3) Roc – Thunderbird
(H4) Thunderbird
  
(H3) Behemoth – Ancient Behemoth
(H4) Behemoth
  
(H4) Centaur
(H5) Centaur – Centaur Nomad – Centaur Marauder
(H6) Centaur – Centaur Marauder
   
 
(H4) Berserker
(H4) Harpy
(H6) Harpy – Fury
  
(H4) Nomad
(H5) Warrior – Mauler – Warmonger
(H6) Mauler – Crusher
  
 
(H5) Shaman – Sky Daughter – Earth Daughter
  
(H5) Slayer – Executioner – Chieftain
  
(H5) Wyvern – Foul Wyvern – Paokai
  
(H6) Dreamwalker – Dreamreaver
 
(H6) Jaguar Warrior – Panther Warrior
 
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 Forest(H1) / Sorceress(H2) / Rampart(H3) / Nature-Preserve(H4) / Sylvan (H5-H7)
(H1) Sprite
(H2) Sprite
(H4) Sprite
(H5) Pixie – Sprite – Dryad
(H7) Pixie* – Sprite*
  
  
(H1) Dwarf
(H2) Dwarf – Battle Dwarf
(H3) Dwarf – Battle Dwarf
  
 
(H1) Elf
(H2) Elf – Grand Elf
(H3) Wood Elf – Grand Elf
(H4) Elf
(H5) Hunter – Master Hunter – Arcane Archer
(H7) Hunter* – Master Hunter*
  
 
   
(H1) Druid
(H2) Druid – Greater Druid
(H5) Druid – Druid Elder
(H7) Druid* – Elder Druid*
  
  
(H1) Unicorn
(H2) Unicorn
(H3) Unicorn – War Unicorn
(H4) Unicorn
(H5) Unicorn – Silver Unicorn – Pristine Unicorn
 
 
   
(H1) Phoenix
(H2) Phoenix
(H4) Phoenix
  
(H3) Centaur – Centaur Captain
 
(H3) Pegasus – Silver Pegasus
 
(H3) Dendroid Guard – Dendroid Soldier
(H5) Treant – Ancient Treant
(H7) Treant* – Ancient Treant*
 
  
(H3) Green Dragon – Gold Dragon
(H5) Green Dragon – Emerald Dragon – Crystal Dragon
(H7) Green Dragon* – Emerald Dragon*
 
  
(H4) Wolf
(H4) White Tiger
(H4) Griffin
(H4) Faerie Dragon
(H5) Blade Dancer – War Dancer – Wind Dancer
(H7) Blade Dancer*
  
(H7) Dryad* – Oak Dryad*
(H7) Moon Doe* – Sun Deer*
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 Necromancer(H2) / Necropolis(H3) / Death-Necropolis(H4) / Necropolis(H5-H6-H7)
(H2) Skeleton
(H3) Skeleton – Skeleton Warrior
(H4) Skeleton
(H5) Skeleton – Skeleton Archer – Skeleton Warrior
(H6) Skeleton – Skeletal Spearman
 
   
 
(H2) Zombie – Mutant Zombie
(H3) Walking Dead – Zombie
(H5) Zombie – Plague Zombie – Rot Zombie
 
 
  
(H2) Mummy – Royal Mummy
 
(H2) Vampire – Vampire Lord
(H3) Vampire – Vampire Lord
(H4) Vampire
(H5) Vampire – Vampire Lord – Vampire Prince
(H6) Vampire – Vampire Lord
 
 
   
 
(H2) Lich – Power Lich
(H3) Lich – Power Lich
(H5) Lich – Archlich – Lich Master
(H6) Lich – Archlich
 
 
  
 
(H2) Bone Dragon
(H3) Bone Dragon – Ghost Dragon
(H4) Bone Dragon
(H5) Bone Dragon – Spectral Dragon – Ghost Dragon
 
   
(H3) Wight – Wraith
(H4) Ghost
(H5) Ghost – Spectre – Poltergeist
(H6) Ghost – Specter
 
   
 
(H3) Black Knight – Dread Knight
 
(H4) Imp
(H4) Cerberus
(H4) Venom Spawn
(H4) Devil
(H5) Wight – Wraith – Banshee
  
(H6) Ghoul – Ravenous Ghoul
 
(H6) Lamasu – Putrid Lamasu
 
(H6) Fate Spinner – Fate Weaver
   
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 Wizard(H2) / Tower(H3) / Order-Academy(H4) / Academy(H5-H7)
(H2) Halfling
(H4) Halfling
 
(H2) Boar
(H2) Iron Golem – Steel Golem
(H3) Stone Golem – Iron Golem
(H4) Gold Golem
(H5) Iron Golem – Steel Golem – Magnetic Golem
(H7) Golem* - Sandstone Golem*
 
 
   
(H2) Roc
(H2) Mage – Archmage
(H3) Mage – Archmage
(H4) Mage
(H5) Mage – Archmage – Battle Mage
 
 
   
(H2) Giant – Titan
(H3) Giant – Titan
(H4) Titan
(H5) Colossus – Titan – Storm Titan
(H7) Colossus* – Titan*
 
 
   
(H3) Gremlin – Master Gremlin
(H5) Gremlin – Master Gremlin – Gremlin Saboteur
 
  
(H3) Gargoyle – Obsidian Gargoyle
(H5) Stone Gargoyle – Obsidian Gargoyle – Elemental Gargoyle
(H7) Gargoyle* - Obsidian Gargoyle*
 
  
(H3) Genie – Master Genie
(H4) Genie
(H5) Djinn – Djinn Sultan – Djinn Vizier
(H7) Djinn*
 
   
(H3) Naga – Naga Queen
(H4) Naga
  
(H4) Dwarf
(H4) Dragon Golem
(H5) Rakshasa Rani – Rakshasa Raja – Rakshasa Kshatra
(H7) Rakshasa* - Rakshasa Raja*
  
(H7) Cabir* – Cabir Master*
(H7) Apprentice* - Disciple*
(H7) Arcane Bird* - Simurgh*
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 Inferno (H3-H5-H6)
(H3) Imp – Familiar
(H5) Imp – Familiar – Vermin
 
  
(H3) Gog – Magog
 
(H3) Hell Hound – Cerberus
(H5) Hell Hound – Cerberus – Firehound
(H6) Hell Hound – Cerberus
 
  
 
(H3) Demon – Horned Demon
(H5) Horned Demon – Horned Overseer – Horned Grunt
 
  
(H3) Pit Fiend – Pit Lord
(H5) Pit Fiend – Pit Lord – Pit Spawn
(H6) Pit Fiend – Pit Lord
 
  
 
(H3) Efreet – Efreet Sultan
 
(H3) Devil – Arch Devil
(H5) Devil – Arch Devil – Arch Demon
 
  
(H5) Succubus – Succubus Mistress – Succubus Seducer
(H6) Succubus – Lilim
  
 
(H5) Hell Charger – Nightmare – Hell Stallion
  
(H6) Maniac – Demented
 
(H6) Juggernaut – Ravager
 
(H6) Tormentor – Lacerator
 
(H6) Breeder – Breeder Mother
 
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 Fortress(H3)
(H3) Gnoll – Gnoll Marauder
 
(H3) Lizardman – Lizard Warrior
 
(H3) Serpent Fly – Dragon Fly
 
(H3) Basilisk – Greater Basilisk
 
(H3) Gorgon – Mighty Gorgon
 
(H3) Wyvern – Wyvern Monarch
 
(H3) Hydra – Chaos Hydra
 
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 Conflux(H3)
(H3) Pixie – Sprite
 
(H3) Air Elemental – Storm Elemental
 
(H3) Water Elemental – Ice Elemental
 
(H3) Fire Elemental – Energy Elemental
 
(H3) Earth Elemental – Magma Elemental
 
(H3) Psychic Elemental – Magic Elemental
 
(H3) Firebird – Phoenix
 
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 Fortress(H5)
(H5) Defender – Shieldguard – Mountain Guard
  
(H5) Spearwielder – Skirmisher – Harpooner
  
(H5) Bear Rider – Blackbear Rider – Whitebear Rider
  
(H5) Brawler – Berserker – Battlerager
  
(H5) Rune Priest – Rune Patriarch – Rune Keeper
  
(H5) Thane – Flame Lord – Thunder Thane
  
(H5) Fire Dragon – Magma Dragon – Lava Dragon
  
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 Sanctuary(H6)
(H6) Shark Guard – Wanizame
 
(H6) Coral Priestess – Pearl Priestess
 
(H6) Kappa – Kappa Shoya
 
(H6) Spring Spirit – Mizu Kami
 
(H6) Snow Maiden – Yuki Onna
 
(H6) Kenshi – Kensei
 
(H6) Kirin – Sacred Kirin
 
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Gnoll_Mage
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted November 27, 2014 12:51 AM |
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted November 27, 2014 07:49 AM |
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I have several questions
1: why does this topi even exist?
2: Why is i made in the way it is?
3: Why are unit migrations not taken into account?
4: Why is it in the H7 section (We had a very similar topic in the H6 section at it's time)?
5: Why aren't Landsknech and Justicara in the H1/H2 paladin and H1-H5 swordman trees when they, based on appearence and even some abilities, would fit there?
6: Why are there all town screens, units but only one hero?
7: What is this suppose to tell us?
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I'll stop for now.. Sry if the tone is a bit hard.
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VokialBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted November 27, 2014 01:21 PM |
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Pretty useful, tnx. Ths way we can see the evolution of Heroes and how H5+6 ruined fully the game 
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted November 27, 2014 02:14 PM |
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My subjective opinion on the looks of the units are that the best looking units of HoMM 2, such as e.g. the Phoenix, are the units with the best looks overall. But on average HoMM 3, followed by HoMM 5 have the best looking units.
Dave_Jame said:
Why are unit migrations not taken into account?
Or lack of neutrals, or at least neutrals still allied with the given town. 
Unit migration is some of the most interesting stuff in the game, because it tells the story of how successful each faction was in its predecessor.. to some extent.
HoMM 2 (and 1), Warlocks have the most powerful units and are the bad guys in this game. What has happened to them in the next installment? They've lost most of their very strong units, units so strong that in the following installment they become top of their tier (Centaur, Griffin, ..and of course Hydra isn't top of tier 6, because it gets to be a tier 7 unit).
The Warlock units moves around a lot.
Centaur: Warlock -> Rampart (Sorc) -> Might (Barb)
Gargoyle: Warlock -> Tower (Wiz) -> Death (Necro)
Griffin: Warlock -> Castle (Knight) -> Nature (Sorc)
Hydra: Warlock -> Fortress -> Chaos (Warlock)
To me this indicates that while they generally have some of the best units, they also tend to be the big losers when it comes to the wars. In HoMM 2 they're the big bad guys, in HoMM 3 they're allied with the big bad guys.
There's also the potential interesting history behind the dragons. We sadly had a maybe bit too big dragon invasion with the Armageddons Blade expansion to HoMM 3, but some dragons do carry on and their past installments have their stories as well. The Green Dragon goes from Warlock to Rampart (Sorc), the Necromancer have their Skeleton Dragon and the Fearie Dragon goes from Neutral to joining the forces of Nature (Sorc). Yet the Black Dragon (and the Minotaur) is a stable pillar in the mess that is the Warlock town.
Edit: Not to mention that Sorc / Rampart / Nature / Preserve seems to be a haven for many units as new units move in and old units out to temporary towns such as Conflux, or finding better suited places, but their original units never leave them "forever", or go to a town of opposite alignment, like with the Warlock town.
Which allows for a faction with two different highly praised 7th level units (Phoenix & Dragon) and of course stable units in the Elves and Unicorns.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted November 27, 2014 02:59 PM |
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VokialBG said:
Pretty useful, tnx. Ths way we can see the evolution of Heroes and how H5+6 ruined fully the game
ummm ... ?? Usefull how? so you don't need to go to heroes wiki or some other internet sites? Also im sure i saw something similar posted already (not to mention i own most heroes games...). It's just comparison of art styles and hero screens in deferent games - interasting it may be, but usefull? (unless you're maybe art designer and want to make next hero unit that captures all previous styles...).
Now i dont wanna soud like im being harsh or have something against anyone - as i said it is interasting to see same units from diferent games next to eachother i guess. And also nice effort for long post.
Now ... about ruining a series ... even if that was possible (which isn't) i don't see it from here. Is newer art style worse than old one? maybe... not for everybody.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 27, 2014 07:34 PM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
Now ... about ruining a series ... even if that was possible (which isn't)
Ever played MMH6 ?
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted November 27, 2014 08:39 PM |
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This thread shouldn't have gotten beyond the first reply, since it was pointed out in that post that we already have such a chart drawn up.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted November 27, 2014 09:31 PM |
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Galaad said:
Zombi_Wizzard said:
Now ... about ruining a series ... even if that was possible (which isn't)
Ever played MMH6 ?
yes i did - and i didn't like it much ... but i still fail to see how other games in series would somehow get "ruined" coz of it
is H3 worse that it was after H6 came out? No ... am i forbiden or restricted to playing H2, H3, or H5 ? mo ... So H6 wasn't great entry - but why would it devaluate other games in series. If anything it lets me enjoy those games even more.
but that's another topic - i agree with post above - there's not much more to discuss about this thread's topic
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Shambell
Hired Hero
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posted November 29, 2014 02:36 AM |
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Edited by Shambell at 02:39, 29 Nov 2014.
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To note: In H4, Death faction aka Infernopolis is not really pure necro but a mix 50/50 of Inferno and Necropolis.
They blended two factions in one.
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted December 05, 2014 06:50 PM |
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The way I see this differences chart is:
That Heroes 2 saved the franchise from the obvious flop of Heroes 1 and, Heroes 5 saved the franchise, once more, from the series of flop-like disasters from Heroes 4.
So, obviously, Heroes 7 will save the day, again, as for the Heroes 6's major disaster.
Heroes 1, 2 and, 3 are U.S.A. made games in its outmost cyber glory years of the 1990's.
Heroes 4 is where all the technological and financial crises happened throughout the 5 first years of the very start of the post Y2K's time period. Also, when, an explosion of graphical outburst of will to explore the CGI-3D appearances within the PC gaming market.
Heroes 5 got outsourced to the Russians due to the fallout of both NWC and 3DO's developer and publisher's attempts to sell their screwed up software of Heroes 4 + Expansions. Ubisoft had bought it and Nival interactive did their best at fully reviving the dying franchise. Heroes 5 up to version 3.1 is an undenying success that still lives on, 9 years after the vanilla edition was released.
Ubisoft screws up developer deals with Nival and, Blackhole Entertainment that sees the premature release of Heroes 6 at the start of the 2nd decade of the 21st century.
Now, Ubisoft is attempting to do the impossible by doing what should have been possible half a decade ago and, will, be, a possible redemption with this German group of developers. Heroes 7 is set to be, once again, another savior to the Might and Magic Heroes Series.
Hope that you, all, enjoyed, reading this biography of how the history has unfolded and, how history tends to repeat itself, over and over, again.
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