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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 20, 2015 06:56 PM |
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xerox said:
What's the story of the Stag Duchy? It wasn't one of the original clans.
And for the same reasons as written above the Gryfin lands became the Raven lands. I would like to know that story, since Raven is the name Sandor gave to himself.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 20, 2015 07:02 PM |
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War-overlord said:
A Demon's alliegiance lasts only as long as you can dominate it. Sheogh is an eternal powerstruggle. In such an environment, you learn quickly enough to seize opportunities as they present themselves. As the Destroyer of the World. Being the Dark Messiah's wife/concubine is clearly a step upward from being the Demon Sovereign's servant.
Xana is Kha-Beleth's servant. Not because she adores him, but because he is vastly more powerfull than her. Sareth is possibly stronger than Kha-Beleth, so yeah, the every Demon not wanting to take the risk of killing him, which would be doubtfull to begin with, him being the Dark Messiah and all, would flock to his banner as soon as they can see opportunity to do so.
Well, this doesn't contradict my words, does it? ^^ I'm not saying Xana possibly betrayed the Sovereign out of any deep moral issues, although Xana was presented as a "kind" Demon.
That said, we have a precedent of "good" demon - Ignatuis, who spend all of his lifetime(s) to cut himself from Sheogh and also helped to defeat Herald of the Void. He aslo wasn't turned into Incubus willingly (probably Xana too wasn't).
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 20, 2015 07:03 PM |
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Tieru: A Demon Messiah, more powerful even than Kha-Beketh. It might mean the end of everything.
20 years later:
Sareth: *timidly conjures a few tiny flames*
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted March 20, 2015 07:05 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Well, this doesn't contradict my words, does it?
Is there something wrong with elaborating?
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted March 20, 2015 07:11 PM |
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Gryphs said:
we remember that Julius Caesar was male and that was over 3000 years ago,
Seriously? 
He was born 100 years BC and died 44 BC. That's just over 2000 years. Info can be found here. The Roman height of power, I'd say and he had a good hand in maintaining it during his rule.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 20, 2015 07:12 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Is there something wrong with elaborating?
Ah, no ofc. Always a pleasure to discuss things with you.
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P.S.: I really don't think that Sareth was born as all-mighty Destroyer. I don't know, maybe, just maybe, something will "unlock" his powers, as it happens many times in fantasy?
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 20, 2015 07:13 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Well, this doesn't contradict my words, does it? ^^ I'm not saying Xana possibly betrayed the Sovereign out of any deep moral issues, although Xana was presented as a "kind" Demon.
That said, we have a precedent of "good" demon - Ignatuis, who spend all of his lifetime(s) to cut himself from Sheogh and also helped to defeat Herald of the Void. He aslo wasn't turned into Incubus willingly (probably Xana too wasn't).
Well, this Ignatius sounds more interesting than Kiril, at the very least...
About Xana... She was a demonist, as she summoned demons, but hardly a cultist in its literal meaning. Her biography in H6 states the following:
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"Born the daughter of a great Wizard in the Seven Cities, Xana's life changed abruptly when a fit of jealous rage led her to conjure an Imp into the folds of her cheating sweetheart's robes. Burnt at the stake for the crime of summoning Demons, Xana awoke from her grizzly death as a Succubus in the castle of the Arch-Demon Kha-Beleth, deep in Sheogh. Intrigued by her new life, Xana is content to do her master's bidding. Sweet and sincere and a lover of poetry, Xana is possibly the only resident of Sheogh who never speaks a false word."
I actually think someone here quoted it before.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted March 20, 2015 07:19 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
P.S.: I really don't think that Sareth was born as all-mighty Destroyer. I don't know, maybe, just maybe, something will "unlock" his powers, as it happens many times in fantasy?
I recall Orcs almost killing Sareth "unlocks" his Demon-half and allowed him to assume Demon-form for a limited time. So yeah. His potential needed to grow.
I quoted Xana's bio on the previous page.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 20, 2015 07:26 PM |
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War-overlord said:
I recall Orcs almost killing Sareth "unlocks" his Demon-half and allowed him to assume Demon-form for a limited time. So yeah. His potential needed to grow.
Or was it Arantir? I remember he actually killed Sareth, but Xana ressurected him. Or so she said. Btw, I never understood why Arantir just left his body.
Almost never used his Demon-form btw, too dangerous.
But I like to support the line I bolded, at the start of the game several mercenaries are a problem for Sareth, and at the end he actually defeats Arantir (not a small feat imo).
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 20, 2015 07:29 PM |
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Actually, him defeating Arantir felt kinda silly - I mean, Sareth still kinda was just a dude with a sword. 
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted March 20, 2015 07:31 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Or was it Arantir? I remember he actually killed Sareth, but Xana ressurected him. Or so she said. Btw, I never understood why Arantir just left his body.
The way I understood it, as I played it, was that Arantir, perhaps not realising that Sareth was the DM as his Demon-side wasn't "unlocked", simply incapacitated him. Put him in a coma, so to speak. The Orcs then, thinking him dead, treated him like a corpse, dumped him down a refusehole into the water where he drowned. Or would have, had his Demon-half not been awakened.
Wether Xana did this, or just took credit, I cannot tell. I'm certain that 400 years in Sheogh would teach someone the value of lying.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted March 20, 2015 07:38 PM |
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Maurice said:
Seriously?
He was born 100 years BC and died 44 BC. That's just over 2000 years. Info can be found here. The Roman height of power, I'd say and he had a good hand in maintaining it during his rule.
Yeah, I probably should have looked the specifics up first.  Still it was longer than the time between Sar-Elam's existence and the present day at least as far as I have calculated(it is kind of hard to determine from the information they gave us).
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 20, 2015 07:40 PM |
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War-overlord said:
The way I understood it, as I played it, was that Arantir, perhaps not realising that Sareth was the DM as his Demon-side wasn't "unlocked", simply incapacitated him. Put him in a coma, so to speak.
That's not possible. He literally said this:
"The Skull of Shadow is not for the likes of you, demon spawn.
The Seventh Dragon did not sacrifice himself, so that some demon's snow could undo all of his labors.
I'm doing this for the sake of all of Ashan.
The prophesy of the Demon Messiah and here."
Then, he impaled him and watched him die. It wasn't until later that Sareth was resurrected.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted March 20, 2015 07:41 PM |
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Sligneris said:
That's not possible. He literally said this:
Then, he impaled him and watched him die. It wasn't until later that Sareth was resurrected.
I remember wrong then.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 20, 2015 07:49 PM |
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SPOILERS
Glad I once found this series of video, good to refresh memory ^^ Starts around 10:20.
As it seems, Arantir knew about Sareth and... killed him. What I do not understand is what happened in between (you may also watch the first minutes of the next part) his death and awakening. I don't believe Zana "used the Skull" - it's unlikely Arantir just gave it to her. And it seems foolish in my opinion to left the body of your arch-enemy in a world where ressurections are... relatively common.
Or maybe Arantir was attacked by the Orcs part-way to his ship and they took the corpse (for scavenging the equipment)?
Sligneris said:
Actually, him defeating Arantir felt kinda silly - I mean, Sareth still kinda was just a dude with a sword.
This dude is a Dark Messiah ^^
Depending on player's choices, Sareth will have demonic powers or Leanna's support. And by himself he will be already stronger than before.
P.S.: do you have a script of DM? If yes, you may "atone" yourself by sharing it...
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 20, 2015 07:58 PM |
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I like to think that Arantir put some magical seal on Sareth that would prevent resurrection.
Still, Urgash's magics are quite twisted in the way they work - hence the magic of Chaos found its way to bypass said seal.
Sandro400 said:
Depending on player's choices, Sareth will have demonic powers or Leanna's support. And by himself he will be already stronger than before.
Neither of those seemed that impressive, to be honest.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 20, 2015 08:11 PM |
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Sligneris said:
I like to think that Arantir put some magical seal on Sareth that would prevent resurrection.
Still, Urgash's magics are quite twisted in the way they work - hence the magic of Chaos found its way to bypass said seal.
And do you think Arantir wasn't aware that Demon magic is "twisted"? It wasn't the first time he fought Demons.
Still, it's logical to bring the corpse with you. After all, Arantir's a Necromancer.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 20, 2015 08:35 PM |
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It could be that he didn't know the extent of it - after all, he wasn't able to conduct any exact research on the exact magical properties of the Demon Messiah. 
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 20, 2015 08:48 PM |
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Sligneris said:
It could be that he didn't know the extent of it - after all, he wasn't able to conduct any exact research on the exact magical properties of the Demon Messiah.
Exactly. He didn't know for sure his seal would work. Arantir isn't the type of man (imo) who would take risks in such important business. So, the best solution is to bring the body with yourself.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 21, 2015 12:07 AM |
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Well, he could have thought he did make sure to prevent Sareth's revival. Still, it's hard to excuse it either way.
It could also be that he was also in a hurry. After all, he was about to seal Demons in Sheogh permanently, using the Skull - by performing that rite in Stonehelm. Had he completed Sar-Elam's ritual, I think even the Demon Messiah wouldn't be able to break Sheogh's walls.
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