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posted December 20, 2016 08:41 AM |
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As far as I know, and it's been a while since I read about it, that applies to the sections of law about inheritance, property etc. Not criminal law. If it does, (which would mean independence, not even autonomy), it would be retarted indeed.
artu, you still think Europe's Islam is the same as 30 years ago. It evolved and very fast through total uncontrolled and crazy mass immigration. In France you have full cities where a woman is not allowed to sit down in a café, middle day -ask Galaad, there are now coverages on national TV almost every day about. If she walks alone, she is insulted. If she starts talking without permission, same. If she wears not conform clothes, she is sent back home with a male guard. In Germany and Sweden, they had to ignore their laws in order to allow Syrian people married to 13 years old girls inside, in Denmark imams openly urge authorities to accept child marriage, in University of New York famous professors start contemplating pedophilia as the next progressive minority fetish, because, oh well, probably we will have to adapt to such culture shifts.
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posted December 20, 2016 08:51 AM |
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Ah, what a wonderful thread to wake up to.
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posted December 20, 2016 09:16 AM |
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Europe just isn't as accustomed to being ****ed up like the rest of the world. Your civilization will continue just fine. I promise. There's going to be a 0.01% chance of being plowed over by violent crime as opposed to a 0.001% chance, but life will go on.
And you forget that it's all America's fault, you and your thirst for oil have done nothing but startle a wasp nest. First, you let Islam revolution happen in Persia, then suddenly in the 90s you find out they got oil, then you hanged Saddam Hussein, then you all are wondering why 9/11 happened, then you get Bush to wrestle with the Middle East, then the Libya fiasco. All you did was to poke the arab world over Europe's shoulder, while you all safely stay an ocean-length away.
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posted December 20, 2016 09:33 AM |
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OhforfSake said:
Cheap points..
Pardon me Ohforfsake, but I do not follow what you mean here.=/
Only that in my opinion multiculturalism is so much more than refugees and medieval mentality immigrants.
Let's look at us, is it not only ~200 years ago we were at war with each other? Today we welcome every each other with open arms, we only poke and tease as a kind of sibling rivalry, mainly in sports or similar.
But the best example in my opinion is US. so many people from all over Europe who went to US and it turned out great, but I am sure there were people who didn't like the Irish, the Italians, etc.
Therefore I don't blame the concept of multiculturalism, but perhaps like I think mentioned elsewhere in the thread how it is handled and mainly the conflicts (not only war, but also economical) that takes place in the countries of these people.
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posted December 20, 2016 10:08 AM |
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Last time we were at war was not too long ago depending on what you mean by war. WW2 was our last "war" but "war feelings" lasted with the cold war.
But in the matter of the US, most settlers had similar cultural values, in this case being Christian. And fact is, it did not turn out great because the differences have not been worked out today between blacks, hispanic etc.
When people speak of multiculturalism, they point to major differences and behavior. The attacks we see these days never really took place before the MC project started.
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posted December 20, 2016 10:22 AM |
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OhforfSake said:
But the best example in my opinion is US. so many people from all over Europe who went to US and it turned out great, but I am sure there were people who didn't like the Irish, the Italians, etc.
Cheap points, USA is a state based on genocide. They killed off most native americans.
That's what happens when you let a continuous stream of economic refugees into your country. 
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posted December 20, 2016 10:28 AM |
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Okay, I only thought a western country, such as US would be a good example, but I guess the US then is a horrible example of something to live up to and apparently will always be.
Anyway there has sadly always been attacks on civilians, so I don't see what makes this so special except that it (or if it is too soon to conclude, at least previous cases) clearly links to radicalization and middle eastern conflict.
I have watched a history program a lot the last couple of years that focus on memorable events, and while indeed there has not been a lot of those in Europe while I have been alive, one that keeps coming to my mind from before my birth was the events in Netherlands where civilians where attacked by this group of people who I believe wanted to be recognized.
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Salamandre
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posted December 20, 2016 10:29 AM |
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OhforfSake said:
Today we welcome every each other with open arms
No we don't. A minority of people, indoctrinated by the power in place -who needs immigrants both for their votes and for lowering wages, does it and fanatically censors every counter argument. All other hard workers have a more critical approach on immigration, and while they certainly don't refute it as a whole, they fight for a controlled approach and a responsible attitude. "Open borders" is suicide.
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But the best example in my opinion is US. so many people from all over Europe who went to US and it turned out great
USA is the last social example I would take as example. It can turn better than everywhere if you are talented, calculated, a social bully and a persuasive individual but if you don't have any of those qualities, you will just be squashed like a worm and your social rights are stripped to none.
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posted December 20, 2016 10:34 AM |
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The Islamic world and Europe have always been at war, since Islam has been created, Tours, Moor invasion, Spanish Reconquista, Crusades, Ottoman Empire. Just that it has been re-sparked once again, with some outside help of course.
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posted December 20, 2016 10:44 AM |
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This wasn't really the point of my text, but now it has been mentioned, I read recently that while the last couple of years my government has tried to close down borders / limit access here, because research showed that eastern European immigrants made a total economical loss for our population (hence they sadly became unpopular and was an easy scapegoat between ordinary people) that same research has been redone with greater accuracy and it turns out eastern European immigrants was actually economically beneficial.
The somewhat ridiculous (and sad) part of it was that, iIRC:
1) The original research was very theoretical so a lot of assumptions that had nothing to do with the actual people who came here.
2) The loss or income was both very close to zero compared to so much else that it seemed silly to even base politics around it.
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posted December 20, 2016 10:52 AM |
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Economics is one thing, social stability another. You are naive to believe the "accurate" studies which will show what they want you to believe and skip all details they don't want you to know. If immigration, as a whole, was indeed so beneficial, we should let billions of them enter then literally swim in money.
But guess what, while Europe is the only zone where immigration is no longer controlled and it flows in, is also the only zone where the economy and growing is the lowest and stagnant. The quality of life goes down. I am not saying that immigration is the only factor of such loss, but it certainly does not help as those "studies" affirm.
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posted December 20, 2016 10:53 AM |
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LizardWarrior said:
The Islamic world and Europe have always been at war, since Islam has been created, Tours, Moor invasion, Spanish Reconquista, Crusades, Ottoman Empire. Just that it has been re-sparked once again, with some outside help of course.
Historically, everybody had been at war with everybody up until very recently. Germany and France were the biggest foes of one another, much more than the Ottomans ever were (which, btw is also a Roman modeled empire in Europe, so, not fighting against Europe but fighting other European forces in Europe just like any other.) The Brits had been practically fighting almost every major European power one by one since the times of the Normans. Napoleon, who did he fight, the Mongols? Things are not different on the Islamic end either, Persians, Turks, Arabs all have a history full of conquest and war among each other. Basically, it was (and to an extent still is), how "business" was done.
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posted December 20, 2016 10:57 AM |
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I meant my politicians are naive because after the new study many wants more eastern block immigrants where they a few weeks ago wanted less, despite the overall economical difference for the country as a whole was somewhat insignificant.
Personally I blame the current economical situation on the 2008 economical crisis, and my viewpoint is that we're much better off now than only a few years ago.
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posted December 20, 2016 11:04 AM |
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Then there is a key point to remember, there is selective immigration and not selective one. Canada is the best example that immigration, when desired, controlled and triggered, can indeed work and even keep a homogeneous society, through economical integration.
On the other side, Europe is the bad pupil in the class, they let everyone in because "human rights" and then whine like the fags they are about far-right rise, because the society is partitioned.
Nobody should enter a country if he didn't apply for a job or not fully qualified for one. This is how Canada deals with, and it works.
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posted December 20, 2016 11:07 AM |
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artu said:
Historically, everybody had been at war with everybody up until very recently. Germany and France were the biggest foes of one another, much more than the Ottomans ever were (which, btw is also a Roman modeled empire in Europe, so, not fighting against Europe but fighting other European forces in Europe just like any other.) The Brits had been practically fighting almost every major European power one by one since the times of the Normans. Napoleon, who did he fight, the Mongols? Things are not different on the Islamic end either, Persians, Turks, Arabs all have a history full of conquest and war among each other. Basically, it was (and to an extent still is), how "business" was done.
Yes, but they stopped butchering each-other to fight the opposite religion. That takes some motivation.
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posted December 20, 2016 11:16 AM |
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When? A religious unity between Christians or Muslims against one another never happened. Not during the crusades, not during the conquest of Istanbul, not during 19th Century, not during WW1 or WW2. It was always temporary alliances between Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, Muslims.. in most cases one Christian nation backed the Ottomans against another.
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posted December 20, 2016 12:05 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Economics is one thing, social stability another. You are naive to believe the "accurate" studies which will show what they want you to believe and skip all details they don't want you to know. If immigration, as a whole, was indeed so beneficial, we should let billions of them enter then literally swim in money.
But guess what, while Europe is the only zone where immigration is no longer controlled and it flows in, is also the only zone where the economy and growing is the lowest and stagnant. The quality of life goes down. I am not saying that immigration is the only factor of such loss, but it certainly does not help as those "studies" affirm.
You got any sources for these claims? Cause it sounds like you're spewing confirmation bias out of your anus. Maybe you're not but I'd love to see what this is based on.
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posted December 20, 2016 12:32 PM |
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Unlike you, I document myself because I care about, while you usually let talk only your emotions.
On Europe economical growth (1,5), compare then with USA (2,20), China (6,7), Japan (2,2), India (7,3).
Is not like we lead in anything, we are the last in almost everything, quality of life is going down.
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posted December 20, 2016 12:48 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 00:51, 21 Dec 2016.
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The usual suspects spew forth the usual bull****.
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posted December 20, 2016 02:28 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 00:52, 21 Dec 2016.
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JollyJoker said:
The usual suspects spew forth the usual bull****.
now what did i do?
you guys are just begging for cor to come in here and clean up this "discussion"... not meaning just you, jj. it's a good thing for you word-criminals i don't report anything... anymore. 
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