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The-Filth
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posted May 30, 2004 06:44 PM |
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Town idea: Ancient Forest
Have you ever had a nice walk in the forest, and suddenly felt eyes following you? This town idea came to me yesterday as i was listening to the new FinnTroll album. I came to think of how cool it would be to have a town for the troll people. Cuz im from Norway, Trolls have a spesial place in my heart. And i think thr Trolls in Homm is underrated. Here in the fairytales from Norway, the trolls get BIG!! So big that trees and stuff grow on them. But we also have smaller kinds of Troll........
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In the deepest realms of the dark forests, the trolls have been lurking for ages. In the shoadows of the trees and in the deep caves underground, a great anger towards humankind has been brewing. The eyes of the forest has now come out from hiding. Now it is time to feast! Now it is time to hunt! With this the age of trolls begin.
Heroclasses: Beastmaster and WitchMaster(in lack of better name)
Magic: (Pagan)Withcraft
Creatures :
lvl 1.
-Goblin
-Raven
lvl 2.
-Gray Wolf. upg - Black Wolf
-Rampager
lvl 3.
-Orc
lvl 4.
-Troll. upg - Hammer Wielder or Blade swinger.
-Witch
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-Dendroid. upg - Forest Guardian
-Lycanthrope
lvl 6.
-Cave Troll. upg - Elder
Goblin/Orc: The Goblins and Orcs became fed up with the humans in the Stronghold. So now they have traveled in to the forests to feast and hunt with their troll cousins.
The goblins is the weakest among the trolls. But they are fierse warriors and come in great numbers. The Orcs still have the ranged ability and throw axes.
Raven: These birds come in great numbers and can tear the flesh of a man to the dry bone, in a matter of minutes. They also have a nasty habit of stealing shiny objects, such as small artifacts and money.
Gray Wolf: The wolfs of the dark forest grow bigger and fierser than their brothers that live among the elves. These wolfs also have double attack.
Black Wolf: the black wolf hunts among the shadows in the forest. He attacks twise. The wolf specialety is The Wolfs Howl. This ability makes its enemies flee in fear.
Rampager: This troll has a hunger for blood that makes it almost uncontrollable. His weapons is his claws and teeth. Sometimes he goes berserk and attacks without orders. When he goes berserk he deals double damage.
Troll: This is almost the trolls we know from before. When they was allied with the Asylum, they felt left out. So they moved back in to the forest, where they grew bigger and stronger. They have regeneration ability.
Hammer Wielder: Attacking with the hammer is one of the new trades among these trolls. The hammer could well be used for smith work. but these trolls seem to think the hammer is just as good a weapon. These trolls are slow, but delivers a devestating blow with the hammer.these trolls also have regenerate.
BladeSwinger: blade swinging is the other new trade among the trolls. These trolls aren't as strong as the hammer wielading trolls, and dont regenerate, but these trolls are fast and can with ease block attacks toward them.
Witch: the trolls also handle magic quite well. the with is a troll that uses withcraft to tap in to the powers of nature. She delivers blesses and curses. She also have ranged ability, where she throws her foul magic brew at her enemies. the ones that is struck with the brew, melts away.
Dendroid: the trees that walk are back. Same abilty as in Homm 3, where their attack can plant the enemy to the ground.
Forest Guardian: Bigger and tougher that the Dendroids.
Lycanthrope: these were once men and women, but was cast out when they became werewolfs. They had to seek refuge among the trolls, who welcomed them as bothers. The trolls with their wichcraft has given the lycans the power to change from human to werewolf when they feel like it. So now they dont have to rely on the moon anymore. The Lycanthorpes power is basically the same as a vampires power.
Cave Troll: This is some of the biggest trolls. Not the brightest among the lot but they grow very old, and with age comes wisdom. the cave trolls throws big boulders at the enemy. Can also damage castle walls.
Elder: With age comes wisdom. These are the oldest of the old trolls. These trolls use big tree trunks as weapons. When attacking the tree trunk will hit the stack attacked and the stack standing right behind it(like the dragon breath). Imune to curses. Has the abilty of Tree song, that basically grows/summons Dendroids out of the ground, or when Tree Song directed at Dendroids or Forest guardians it regenerates them.
Ok that was it. It may not be perfect or a bit over the top, so bare with me.I just love nature and think Elves and stuff are too sissy, so i had to make my own nature town.
The magic of this town would be some kind of mix between nature magic and curses(Trolldom). Im not a expert at spells and stuff, so ideas are welcomed.
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gerdash
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posted May 31, 2004 08:45 AM |
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so, i guess it's like a mix of barbarian and druid town. if you have played kings bounty then you already know that trolls were once in same town with elves and druids, and i think it was quite fitting.
for the lycanthropes i would suggest that they could be spellcasters that could shapeshift into fast melee fighters for a few rounds if necessary, not just special movement graphics like the vampires have.
could the upgraded wolf be a warg? can anyone explain what a warg is exactly, i mean, in folklore?
and it has been a mystery to me why orcs are depicted as axe throwers, any idea why? what do you mean by orcs exactly? do they have a role in preserving the forest?
btw there's also something like ogre which should be a giant that likes to eat humans. looks like something derived from the cannibalistic times. wouldn't it fit in that town, especially considering that orcs are already there?
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DarkTitan
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posted May 31, 2004 09:17 AM |
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I like the idea
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could the upgraded wolf be a warg? can anyone explain what a warg is exactly, i mean, in folklore?
and it has been a mystery to me why orcs are depicted as axe throwers, any idea why? what do you mean by orcs exactly? do they have a role in preserving the forest?
A warg is a giant evil wolf made up by Tolkien. Well it might be in other myths, but im pretty sure it is in LOTR or the Hobbit. Orcs fight side by side with them in LOTR and Orcs are proposed into this list as well.
Orcs are depicted as axe throwers because thats how they were depicted in HOMM4. Im not sure they should be in this category, because when i think of giant wolves and orcs, i think of evil, not tree hugging nature preservers.
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gerdash
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posted May 31, 2004 11:10 AM |
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goblins and orcs were a synonym in tolkien books, and imho the tolkien description of orcs doesn't quite suit the folklore goblins imho. as far as i understand, the folklore goblins were pagan forest spirits more like faeries. and folklore trolls are also not quite like the tolkien trolls.
personally i don't prefer the tolkien version of creatures over folklore version in homm. i don't have anyhing against tolkien, but it's still modern fantasy.
and btw tolkien elves were not so extremely nice people, especially when you have read silmarillion. i don't know what to think of putting trolls and elves in the same town. but faeries, goblins and trolls in same town might be more or less ok imho. maybe my skepticism about trolls and elves in one town is because i'm too much, well, let's say, spoiled by tolkien and can't look at folklore without being influenced by tolkien.
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The-Filth
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posted May 31, 2004 12:27 PM |
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so, i guess it's like a mix of barbarian and druid town. if you have played kings bounty then you already know that trolls were once in same town with elves and druids, and i think it was quite fitting.
I never got around to play Kings Bounty. But i dont think trolls and elves get along so good. At least not as i think of them. some trolls would eat the first elf they could lay their hands on. But other trolls would not mind those little elfs. Trolls come in different shapes and sizes, some are quite small and some are so big that trees grow on them. At least they are this way in norwegian folklore and fairytales.
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for the lycanthropes i would suggest that they could be spellcasters that could shapeshift into fast melee fighters for a few rounds if necessary, not just special movement graphics like the vampires have.
This could be a good option, yes. But i prefer them the way i made them.
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could the upgraded wolf be a warg? can anyone explain what a warg is exactly, i mean, in folklore?
A Warg, or Varg as i know it from my norwegian language, is nothing more than a normal wolf. Those things from Tolkien is creatures he made up, but he used the old norwegian word Varg for inspiration. Here in Norway we have two words for wolfs that i know of; Ulv is the most common, and Varg is an old word for wolf.
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and it has been a mystery to me why orcs are depicted as axe throwers, any idea why? what do you mean by orcs exactly? do they have a role in preserving the forest?
I needed a ranged unit for my town, and i thought of Orcs. They are kinda trollish, and i think they would be welcomed by the trolls. As for preserving the forest, i guess they are a part of it as the trolls are. But u must understand that the Troll people main goal is to feast and hunt.
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btw there's also something like ogre which should be a giant that likes to eat humans. looks like something derived from the cannibalistic times. wouldn't it fit in that town, especially considering that orcs are already there?
Well, an Ogre would fit in this town also. I dont know where to put them though.
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posted June 02, 2004 01:45 AM |
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What about heroes?
Great ideea...
Instead of a insect town (wich is not so bad) i prefer this..
but what about the heroes they are humans, trolls or, like the barbarian castle, goblins and maybe orcs...
Also, what is their specific nature, like rangers, beastmasters or batllemage have...
they have to do or not with something like the habits of a population.... see the nature of rangers, beastmasters, batllemage, etc...being so is in their blood...
The trolls are maybe not a nation but are they something like a big tribe or are they something like wild solitary monsters, like the trolls in H3?
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The-Filth
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posted June 02, 2004 11:09 AM |
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The heroes of this town will mainly be trolls and trollish creatures. Humans wouldn't dare to come close to the trolls, cuz they would be eaten.
I guess the trolls live in tribes. big tribes.
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posted June 02, 2004 05:23 PM |
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what you think about this one - troll heroe speciality skills:
-of cours first aid and armorar,
-spells like resurrection, bloodlust and berserk, maybe also frenzy etc...
what you think abbout their beliefs and thier gods?
got to have things like that if they are a tribe
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The-Filth
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posted June 02, 2004 08:29 PM |
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yeah, those skills and spells would fit good.
About their beliefes, Well...they believe in feasting and hunting humans etc. When they aren't out hunting for something or someone to kill, they sit around their big campfires and eat and drink mead. About gods and such, i dont really like to mess up the Homm games with things like that. But if they were to have any gods, it has to be the sun that gives them warmth and gives life. And when they hunt and feast they howl at the moon, and it gives them strenght. They seek guideance and magic with the spirits of nature and their forefathers. Things like that are important to pagan people, for example the trolls, and i guess they would look at them as some sort of "gods". But this "god" business isnt something i would like in the Homm games. It can only be used to describe the different alligments, so we get to know them better.
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posted June 02, 2004 09:23 PM |
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yes, you're right about the gods in heros ( gods like the ones in age of mithology).I don't like this too, my piont wasn't in this direction, I misspoke. But you know there are the energies and powers of spiritual and transcedent nature which trespass us, giving to our habits a reason & a sens....
for the trolls it is as you said I think, anyway you know better...
and what is their allignament, neutre?
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gerdash
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posted June 02, 2004 09:33 PM |
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first, i don't quite like the ravens. are you sure those birds aren't better off minding their own business?
second, this town being somewhere in between elven and barbarian and maybe homm3 swamp town needs some more clarification imho. you see, if there were no dendroids in the town, and we would only look at the creature names, it could just be the traditional homm barbarian town.
as far as i have understood, the whole point of the town is that it's a forest town, isn't it? or could it be a mountain town or a desert town, etc? what's essential in the feeling of the town that isn't already present in barbarian town that is accidentally placed in forest?
in homm4 barbarian campaign the barbarians did a lot of hugging, and so did the undead. but imho there is a real barbarian playing style that gives some satisfaction to some players sometimes that they can't get from other towns, and this was imho compromised especially in homm4.
so, is this a wish for a real barbarian town or is there something that you cannot get playing other towns? you know, the present barbarian town could also be made more radical, cannibalistic, etc.
i wonder if this thread will turn into discussion on remaking the barbarian town, so that it becomes a real barbarian town, not just an extension of human town. or maybe we do need a nomad-style human barbarian town and a troll-style barbarian town?
i am afraid that the nomad-style barbarian town will get into difficulties in getting a reasonably interesting creature lineup, it would just be a lineup of bit more primitive human towm. and both the troll town and the elven town together will make the forest theme a bit overused.
i do like something about the troll feeling, but don't quite understand what it is.
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btw as some barbarian topics came into my mind in association with the troll town topic, and there is a genuine norwegian among us, i'd like to ask some clarification on an old topic:
what's the norwegian word for a boar?
what an online dictionary says about 'berserk' is:
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Etymology: Old Norse berserkr, from bjorn bear + serkr shirt
but i have read that an alternative to 'bear' could be 'bare', meaning 'without armor', and no one is really sure how the word was originated.
now, the celts clearly used boar to symbolize the berserk state of mind. the boar-headed orcs would fit perfectly as berserks, but if berserk meant 'bear' only, then some word like 'boar-warriors' should be used instead of berserkers, and that would be somewhat cumbersome.
it could of course be so that the celts talked about 'boar' while norwegians talked about 'bear' and they understood each other perfectly well, lol.
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posted June 02, 2004 10:03 PM |
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My opinion is that if you think at what it means a barbarian in the history, then the nomad human town must be it.
Therefore i think that it can't be another trolich barbarian town, but a realy new different one, that means a pagan the way filth spoken...
this can be only if we need more towns in the game, if not then we must revisited the already existent barbarian town concept!
I also think that the more greener this town gets the more original it will be (it must be canibalistic trolls the way they are in the scandinavian folklor, right filth?...)
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The-Filth
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posted June 02, 2004 11:24 PM |
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I like the ravens. One raven is infact made up by a flock of sveral ravens. But it functions like one creature.
I never intended to make this town a new Berbarian Stronghold town. When i think of barbarians, i think of humans mostly. So i should have mentioned that for this town to exist, the barbarian town would have to get some new (human)creatures that makes it unlike this town. And as far as i can remember the barbarian Stronghold town in Homm vere places in dry desertlike plases. My Ancient Forest is not.
My town was made to describe a darker side of nature town, where trolls roam the old dark forest and sit around campfires at night to sing, howl at the moon and drink.
As the elven towns are happy, happy love joy, this town would be placed among huge dark lush trees, in a valley maybe, and caves and moonlit ponds and lakes, big campfires and that kind of stuff. U would have your town walls and stuff but it would maybe not be so noticable, because of heavy forest vegetaion.
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The word Villsvin (wildpig) is the norwegian translation of the word Boar. In norwegian Bear = Bjørn. Shirt = Skjorte, old norwegian may be Serkr(not sure)
Berserk is a norwegian word. The Vikings used to drink mead and eat mushrooms and stuff before they went out to fight wars and rampage(berserkergang=berserkerwalk)) the english countryside and coast. when they ate mushrooms and drank, they went kinda crazy and berserk. The word berserk(r) means to Be dressed in the hide/skin/fur of bears.
In norwegian old language they wrote berserkr, now its Berserk.
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