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War-overlord
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posted June 04, 2014 11:46 AM |
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Impossible.
The reason being that Sareth is the only one who could undo Sheogh, since he is the Dark Messiah. The key element here is that only a half-demon, who is both bound to Sheogh and Ashan could preform this act.
And there is only one half-demon: Sareth.
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Stevie
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posted June 04, 2014 11:52 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 11:57, 04 Jun 2014.
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Have him forcefully perform the ritual. Like mind control or something. Or use him like a catalyst, if the ritual doesn't require him to be conscious. Should be easy to figure out something.
Anyway I think it's a lot more consistent for him to refuse to open Sheogh even given he's a half demon. It's not like he puts away years of his life living as a human to do a demon's bidding, be it that it's his father.
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Steyn
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posted June 04, 2014 12:39 PM |
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Edited by Steyn at 13:02, 04 Jun 2014.
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I agree that with the escape of the demons from sheogh an all involving cataclysm is inevitable, it's just that I don't like it as a plot device 
As something that plays in the background it could be very nice, at least you can use it to get rid of that annoying falcon/griffin empire. If you let both Haven and Sylvan flee their homeland, doesn't that make their stories a bit too similar? Maybe stage the Sylvan campaign at the demon invasion of Irrolan. Then you can let the elves try to get help from other nations, such as the dwarfs, or perhaps even the dark elves.
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posted June 04, 2014 01:02 PM |
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Yea but I was thinking that having humans isolated on another continent alone is not a good thing too. So I wanted to balance their presence with another faction.
Dunno, it's just a plot idea, no need to get too serious about it.
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Steyn
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posted June 04, 2014 01:13 PM |
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They don't have to flee that far. Just let them be an annoyance to the other factions while they try to find a place of their own. I can imagine necro and the orcs not being too fond of the humans.
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War-overlord
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posted June 04, 2014 01:28 PM |
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Stevie said:
Have him forcefully perform the ritual. Like mind control or something. Or use him like a catalyst, if the ritual doesn't require him to be conscious. Should be easy to figure out something.
Anyway I think it's a lot more consistent for him to refuse to open Sheogh even given he's a half demon. It's not like he puts away years of his life living as a human to do a demon's bidding, be it that it's his father.
Admittedly it's been quite a while since I played Dark Messiah, but I find this all sounding somewhat implausible.
And I hope I've made clear enough that it isn't so much Ashan I have a problem with as it is the limits and boundries it currently has.
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Stevie
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posted August 04, 2014 07:37 PM |
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During the Wars of Creation, when the Dragon Gods fought one against another, their blood fell over Ashan. It formed a network of Dragon Veins and Nexuses that, with the passing of time, crystallized into magical nodes.
These are physical proof that the Dragon Gods once walked the surface of Ashan and flew its skies. These powerful magical sites became sacred to the Shantiris, elected as places of pilgrimage and meditation, and sometimes founding places of temples or cities.
As centuries passed and the Shantiris disappeared, the Dragon blood crystals became more strategic than sacred, for their magical powers could be used to craft powerful weapons and artefacts.
As the crystals were consumed they became rarer and their value increased even further, until they became the most precious resource on Ashan, until the control of a Dragon Vein became synonymous with absolute wealth and power.
There are seven different types of Dragon blood crystals, one per Dragon God.
From M&M Facebook Page. Newer posts present the blood crystals pertaining to each dragon, check them out.
These might be the next resources of Heroes 7. Meaning that the story will take place around the shantiri era. We might wanna reconsider our dark messiah hypothesis.
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War-overlord
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posted August 04, 2014 07:50 PM |
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Could be. But this info has been public since they published the compendium, so that's a lotta buildup.
Also, Shantiri might be interesting from a lore perspecitve, from gameplay maybe less so. The Shantiri Empire is a globe-spanning empire of all Elder Races, all together. All races lived intermingled in the same society. That would give us only 2 factions, the Shantiri and the Demons. As that was the only distinction of that time.
No, I think they are setting this all up, if they are setting up anything at all, to make 8 7 different rare resources and all of them are different kinds of BloodCrystals. But then again, I hope I'm wrong on that.
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posted August 04, 2014 07:55 PM |
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Damnit, now my thread looks stupid :/
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posted August 04, 2014 08:00 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Damnit, now my thread looks stupid :/
Only as far as the crystals go. The rest either isn't in the Compendium or the info is sparse.
I stand corrected, the info on the Demon Overlords is also the same as in the Compendium.
The Tower-stuff is new for those who don't play the Card games as far as I know though.
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Storm-Giant
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posted August 04, 2014 08:04 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Storm-Giant said:
Damnit, now my thread looks stupid :/
Only as far as the crystals go. The rest either isn't in the Compendium or the info is sparse.
I know, but I had the intention to debate Dragon Blood Crystal future in my thread and now it collides with Stevie post. What a mess
Well, whatever, if the discussion keeps taking place here then I'll edit later my thread and take away the speculation. It's up to you guys
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War-overlord
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posted August 04, 2014 08:09 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
I know, but I had the intention to debate Dragon Blood Crystal future in my thread and now it collides with Stevie post. What a mess
Well, whatever, if you end up using this thread for discussing DBC then I'll edit later my thread and take away the speculation. It's up to you guys
What's there to debate? It's either resources, in which case: [sarcasm]Way to think of something creative, Erwan![/sarcasm]
Or it has something to do with magic or artefacts like you suggested, Storm. In which case: So they are very special resources. [sarcasm]You realy had to think hard on that, didn't ya?[/sarcasm]
Or they are simply plot-McGuffins. In which case: Best thing to do with them, since this is the place they do least damage, as far as I can see.
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posted August 04, 2014 08:11 PM |
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You kill the fun very quickly, WO 
I'm trying to create some activity before Gamescom, this way we won't have it
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War-overlord
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posted August 04, 2014 08:15 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
You kill the fun very quickly, WO
I'm trying to create some activity before Gamescom, this way we won't have it
Me playing Buzz Killington never stopped the hopefull yet.
Besides, the whole blood thing is exceptionally minor on the scale of things. And I hope you agree with me that this whole Dragon Bloodcrystals thing isn't very creative writing to begin with.
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posted August 04, 2014 08:17 PM |
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I can't but agree, there's nothing like the good old four resources ^^
Ubi is so damn rigid on their lore...
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posted August 04, 2014 08:19 PM |
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Exactly! The lore! They can't deliver a good game because of the lore. It proves to be a pain in the ass much more than I imagined.
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posted August 04, 2014 08:24 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
I can't but agree, there's nothing like the good old four resources ^^
Ubi is so damn rigid on their lore...
I agree that the current lore is too rigid. I've been saying this for some time now.
But I disagree that the 4 old resources were so much better. They weren't. Crystals and gems are 1 redundant and 2 only good for decorative purposes. That is, if magic is not the reason they are used, in which case: Yeah, use your "Get out of jail free card" on one of the most easily fixable things, why dontcha.
Seriously, we can come up with 4 more usefull rescources to replace Crystals and Gems.
Sulphur and Mercury we can keep, those had practical use, even in Ye Olden Tymes. But Gems and Crystals are pointless.
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posted August 04, 2014 08:38 PM |
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Isn't dragon blood some sort of crystal? Also gems had "mystical qualities" in Medieval Alchemy, it was said that diamonds could banish evil spirits, opals brought misfortune, amethysts would keep demons at bay, amber had healing proprieties etc. What's the difference between that and dragon blood crystals? Only that gems have only their powers fictional, while the dragon blood is entirely fictional. Also let's not forget that diamonds are the toughest material on earth. Maybe gems and crystals were just trade tokens in older Heroes games and not held any magical proprieties. There was gold not "money" or "treasury", maybe some races preferred them instead of gold (let's not forget that many real world gems are far more expensive than gold)
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posted August 04, 2014 08:40 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Isn't dragon blood some sort of crystal?
They are called 'Dragon Blood Crystals' for a reason! 
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War-overlord
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posted August 04, 2014 08:43 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Isn't dragon blood some sort of crystal? Also gems had "mystical qualities" in Medieval Alchemy, it was said that diamonds could banish evil spirits, opals brought misfortune, amethysts would keep demons at bay, amber had healing proprieties etc. What's the difference between that and dragon blood crystals? Only that gems have only their powers fictional, while the dragon blood is entirely fictional. Also let's not forget that diamonds are the toughest material on earth. Maybe gems and crystals were just trade tokens in older Heroes games and not held any magical proprieties. There was gold not "money" or "treasury", maybe some races preferred them instead of gold (let's not forget that many real world gems are far more expensive than gold)
Yes, Dragon Bloodcrystals are crystalised drops of blood of the Gods
Even if you take all that into account, all the fictional mumbo jumbo. And even taking into account that as trade tokens they serve the exact same functionality as gold. Take all that. Why have them both? What is the difference between gems and crystals? Cause most gems are crystals themselves.
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