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frostysh
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posted September 17, 2016 12:25 AM |
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Edited by frostysh at 00:30, 17 Sep 2016.
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The Philosophy of the criminal guys, my opinion
In my early life (like the early game in the Heroes 5: Tribes of the East) I have been affected by the crime stuff, I was not a serious thief or something like that, but still I have liked this kind of philosophy and stuff.  Still, I have realized a very soon, that this kind of stuff is in the conflict with my way of "Justice and Allgoodness", and my child-like psychology 
To avoiding posting a boring stuff WHY, I would better to provide some examples and the conclusions.
The peoples that I have know in past, created a spectacle to rob me. They played a scene with a police that trying to capture me and the guys around me because of my deeds, all of us running like a crazy at low vision night time for a long distance, through a difficult terrain (I was have a super sorrow there, that I did not know the parkour! ). Where we are stopped for a rest, we have realized that someone is absent.
After some time their friend came and said that they has been captured, and blaming my own in that case 
But initial shock after running has been gone, and I can to think rationally now, so I have fast realized that they lying and I am a victim there .
Too poor it is was too late for myself, I am already has been surrounded by ~10 guys that synchronous shouting and blaming my own in the what has happens .
Also I have realized that they decided to personalize my cash, even in case of I will refuse to give up it as the reparations for what has happens  , so I decide to continue to play a stupid victim role and I gave the cash to the guys. Very poor, that I have found the evidence that my own friend has been involved there.
Anyway, after some time I have been actually captured by police, and I have gave up the all of my cash that I have to them to set me free  .
Irony indeed.
Perhaps the details of what have happened can be curved, I have a poor memory... Anyway the main things is a true.
SO after this example and other experience, I have realized that the Criminal Philosophy sux (I mean I know it from the beginning, but to know and to do, it is a different things)  It is oriented to the exploiting of the weakest than you and benting yourself before the strongest than you stuff.
The criminal philosophy is an another Reason Datre, along with the natio', commie, and religious stuff, and of course it is wide spreaded through a poor areas due to the life conditions.
So the frostysh' conclusions is: The criminal habits and it's philosophy sux, and have a very poor connection to the reality, it is just a way in which the peoples want to think, nothin' more.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted September 17, 2016 12:56 AM |
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Idk, all I've ever done was petty theft and assault, never spent more than a night in a prison cell. (there were ofc many times I was drunk and spent the night in a cell, but I wasn't under arrest or anything)
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Homer171
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posted September 17, 2016 04:19 AM |
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It's kinda sad that lot of petty thiefs are victims of circumstances. If you have choice and know better, then the responsibility of your actions are heavier on your own shoulders.
There is a saying: once a thief, always a thief. I don't buy that for a second. I had quick period in my youth when I shoplifted candy and switchblades, it stopped to wall and I would never dream of doing things like that anymore. Never, I would steal from store or people anyway.
Can't say aim totally innocent tough. We constantly battle in our lifes, what is good and how we like to live our lifes. One thing where I might have the "blindspot" is the internet and technology abuse in overall. I have modded multiple game consoles of mine, played hundreads of games what I have never bought. In cording to law this is theft but I just can't see it. I don't contribute by it, sell it or make own profit out of it. It's not like it's out from somebody else when I would not buy them if I would not have the other way, infact I would never probably played Heroes 1-4 if not for piracy and later I bought them all out from pure respect to genre. Here I go again "defending my own view" even tough I realize it's somehow, questionable to say the least. Blindspot, like I said before.
Like you might know, aim christian and I should probably do the right thing, regarding to morale, law and own justice beliefs. The thing is, I don't see it as that bad or I just sugar coat it to myself that I would not have the corresponding quilty out from it. There is a rule actually in bible that if you see something as bad and still do it, then it's sin for you because your heart convinces you are quilty (the justice definition of your own mind).
I say this because I have had plenty of time to think about this "philosophical question". I don't say, I have come to full closer but the comblexity of human mind and reality that everything is not black and white, keeps me overwhelmed time and time again.
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Celfious
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posted September 17, 2016 04:43 AM |
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I wonder if anyone here has done more country time than me... I have never been to prison but thanks to I have over a year of county time. It really really sucks especially when:
You have no money on the books, and are forced to live on low grade small portion meals starving. Then after continuances and a slew of bogus charges they tell you thisQuote:
if you say you're innocent, the state can decide to try you on any one of the charges risking a conviction and prison time. However!!!! If you plead guilty you get to leave jail today.
Thats after a month or two of starving and being "treated innocent". By the way in prison / penitentiary settings they have TV's in their rooms and rec yards, weight rooms, jobs, etc etc. County time here is more like pick out one book for the week, FAST HURRY LETS GO
Truth is I could have beat every last case hands down except my revocation of probation. Even the states attorney felt bad for me, but in this county among the highest conviction ratings, truth wont prevail a majority of the time. They want convictions and court fees.
Final note, I have not been to jail since not even close. Amy was PTSD from someone trying to kill her, and she is a vicious drunk with a 911 habit. I was stupid for letting her pick me up almost everytime i got out.
Emotionally deprived stupidity was my true crime.
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frostysh
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posted September 17, 2016 11:54 PM |
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tSar-Ivor - the drinking of alcohol sux too, better just to rid of it, IMHO.
Homer171 - And I almost become a ... Christian, but thank to the God , I have realized what it is actually are before I have done such mistake. The Christian idealogy is the same as the Criminal guys ideology. IMHO - just a simple explanation of the world around, a simple but a wrong one. IMHO. - DO NOT TAKE IT AS OFFENSE PLEASE.
I have a poor English level, so I am trying to be straight in my posts to avoid misunderstanding.
I thought you are not the simple Christian, you are Jewish stuff oriented, and also I thought you are supporting some ideas, some Reason Datres that can be easily found in the post of the many... users on this forum, but you see in the most of this ideas, there is no place for Jewish stuff on the Earth, I mean there is a place for them but ahh, I do not think they will like this place Weird it is ... or perhaps I am misunderstand you 
Celfious - this is a right of what about I am typing, the criminals have their own ideology, like the above mentioned ideologies (which is obviously sux).
1) If you are living in the country where the prison cells is equipped by a TV-boxes  , the countries like that providing an enormous wide range of possibilities where you can realize yourself
i.e. if you are suffering from a lack of food - sell you house in the city, go in the rural areas, and make your own the farm there. You will have your own food.
you see there is a plenty of places where you can put in yourself, in such countries.
2) I.e. 2 Usually the cyber-crimes is automatically whitewashing themselves (as the other crimes too) in the reason of "we are against the system! we are out of the matrix , and so on" but in the reality they are doing nothin' more that a harming the weak innocent peoples, because of their total inability to do anything that can harm a more tough targets - a standard crimes' habit.
3) To harm someone innocent because of you emotions - IMHO this is a weak guys, and hell I do not want to be like them.
4) Usually peoples in the rich countries have forgot about hte many possibilities and goods that they have, and they also bored of their lives.. and doing a non-necessary stupid things to solve such issues. i.e.3 - the Hollywood itself , above mentioned ideologies , and so on . But they totally forgot about how their life is comparing to the life on the other places of the planet Earth..
So the main point - The Criminal ideology sux! nothin interesting there.
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Homer171
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posted September 18, 2016 02:18 AM |
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Fear not frostysh aim not offended, you can think whatever you like about cristianity
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Elvin
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posted September 18, 2016 11:19 AM |
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I don't see what you would know on criminal psychology frosty. But assigning a universal philosophy to them and calling it the same as Christianity calls for immortalizing this thread  You'll laugh about it when you're older.
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Homer171
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posted September 18, 2016 03:02 PM |
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Don't waste your breat Elvin he's beyond salvation 
(Not in spiritual sense that is)
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markkur
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posted September 18, 2016 05:47 PM |
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Edited by markkur at 17:51, 18 Sep 2016.
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I think we have an epidemic of some sort of embraced/practiced psychosis in the "white collar world" that makes common criminality short of murder (the typical poor folk versions) look very tame by comparison.
Today many of the powerful conduct their person as if they were two different people and believe that madness. With "the good guy" they give big smiles and lie through their pearly-whites and say they care about the masses but out of the lime-light they steal millions/billions any damnit way they can and people better not get in their way or they will be dead bodies.
Around the world today the masses are complaining about the double-standards regarding law and taxes and we see it play out in the news all the time.
This Elite generational practiced breed will do anything for power and money and then escape with "their good side" <imo> are the worst criminals on the planet.
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frostysh
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posted September 19, 2016 03:10 AM |
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Edited by frostysh at 04:08, 19 Sep 2016.
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Elvin - The criminals have not only the psychology of the criminals, but also the ideology of the criminals, the criminal philosophy of some kind - it is somekind of the simplified explanation of the world around.
The any of Religion providing the simplified explanation of the world around too. i.e. we can compare Islam and Criminal Religion.
Islam: For what purpose the animals exist? - The Allah have created it to be exploited by a men (as a food and so on)
Criminal: For what a purpose the victims exist? - To be exploited by a criminal guys.
Islam: For what purpose the women exist? - The Allah have created it to born a child and for marriage, and so on, there is a bloody hell amount of rules for women in the Sharia.
Criminal: For what a purpose the women exist? - For pleasure (for sex only, the most of criminal communities are male oriented), but the marriage with the woman is forbidden in the most of the variations of the criminal ideologies, if you will restrict this rule you automatically become an outcast. In the many of the poor rural area criminal communities is wide spreaded the homosexuality. Especially in the prisons due to absent of the women for sex.
Islam: If someone have done something wrong, - Killed other Muslim without a reason, have stole something an so on ..? - There is many punishments in the Sharia provided by Allah itself.. it is hardcore punishments, the death for raping or heavy consequences , the arm cutting for robbery and so on.
Criminal: If someone have done something wrong, - Killed other criminal without a reason, have stole something an so on ..? - The most of punishments is a death, or crippling and making the outcast someone, i.e. if someone raped another criminal in the most of the criminal communities the victim must kill his raper.
We can continue this list for a long, a very long, but I want to summarize - The criminal philosophy, the criminal ideology have a many similar characteristic with the Religion, and the other, above mentioned mass-controlling ideologies.
It is providing the particular individual with Reason Datre, - the simple explanation of things and the purpose in the life. IMHO. - The criminal philosophy is much more materialistic than a Religion, or the Natio' stuff, I think it is on the same level of "reality " that the Commie' stuff is.
markkur - magnificent! This is actually what the most of the criminal guys think about the so-called Elite, and of course they think that this Elite have the same philosophy as they are, and of course they think that they are oppressed by this elite. This is somekind of the whitewashing their deeds and simplified explanation of the Global Power spreading through the Earth, and obviously it is wrong. IMHO.
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"I think the Money is not equal The Power, you see mr. markkur, the money it is just a rules of how the large amount of humans existing, but for someone who have created this rules, it is not necessary to follow them." - frostysh 2016AD
Wow! It is so good quote! I am so proud of myself! I am truly the Philosopher! 
The real Power is something close to the Technological Advancements, the Military Force, the Society Potential, and things like that.
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Elvin
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posted September 19, 2016 06:03 AM |
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I recommend that you start posting again when you know what you're talking about.
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fred79
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posted September 19, 2016 08:50 AM |
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Elvin said:
I recommend that you start posting again when you know what you're talking about.
ooooh, burn!
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Gryphs
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posted September 19, 2016 09:03 AM |
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I doubt he will understand it though.
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OhforfSake
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posted September 19, 2016 11:58 AM |
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Some (most I guess) commit crime out of need, and not because they can.
I have seen young wealthy people being total poop-holes simply because they can, they are perhaps the ones that fit your ideas Frostysh. But they don't have a criminal ideology in my opinion, they're selfish and immature and do not understand what they are doing, they are young children in adult bodies.
On the other hand we have societies where if you can't make a living you'll perish, and you can be forced to either perish or break the law. I think many people would then break the law, especially if they have other people depending on them.
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frostysh
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posted September 20, 2016 10:04 AM |
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OhforfSake -
I think in your society, in the society where you living is ahh, hmm, a little bit low percent of the criminals.
The criminal is a something little bit different from buying cannabis in the internet market, or even sellingm and the maniac that is a serial murdered it is not a true criminal. Even if in the first example such outlaws can hold some characteristic that I have mentioned (i.e. "we are against the system! " ), but in the second example, the maniacal serial murderer is totally outfit. Let me provide an examples of the criminals:
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Rafael Hernandez Morales, Marlon Bonilla Cruz, Osvaldo Perez Chavez, Daniel Rodriguez Aguirre, Andres Garcia Sanchez, photo of Edgar Menjivar not available.
MPD: 6 MS-13 gang members arrested on drug charges
Police have announced that they have solved two murders in Virginia linked to the violent gang MS-13, which is primarily made up of Central American illegal immigrants.
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African migrants are being held hostage and tortured by criminals demanding Europeans pay their ransoms - Reuters
Europol: Arab Gangs Threatening to Kill and Sell Organs of Africa Migrants
Whereever you are, the Criminals have their own Ideology, as I mentioned before, this very ideology is somekind of the simple explanation of the world aruond and the rules , and Reason Datre for the criminals. And of course you do not need to belong to Mafia or to the gang, or something like that to have this ideology, in general the peoples is need for such explanation that will whitewash their deeds.
In the poor areas of the Earth, the percent of the criminals is an enormous comparing to the rich areas, due to The life conditions is a VERY different.
Elvin - I do not understand you, you have posted , ahh, a something without any clue. As I said , I have provided the examples of the similar thing in the different types of the mass controlling ideologies, such as Criminal Stuff is one of it.
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markkur
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posted September 20, 2016 05:59 PM |
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frostysh said:
In the poor areas of the Earth, the percent of the criminals is an enormous comparing to the rich areas, due to The life conditions is a VERY different.
Sadly this is true. I read a few years back about an area in the Middle-East where 75% of the young men had no work in their region to pursue. Hopelessness, Anger and militant-indoctrination are a nasty-mix in a young mind.
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frostysh
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posted September 21, 2016 06:57 AM |
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Edited by frostysh at 07:02, 21 Sep 2016.
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markkur said:
Sadly this is true. I read a few years back about an area in the Middle-East where 75% of the young men had no work in their region to pursue. Hopelessness, Anger and militant-indoctrination are a nasty-mix in a young mind.
Hell this is.
The almost everyday suffering + poverty + no hope + low education + low power + other factors, almost useless states MULTIPLIED by a young mind EQUAL + 1 of the criminal ideology guy, or above mentioned mass-controlling ideologies.
This is very poor that the societies of the poor areas will support such habits, i.e. the radical Islam that ISIS shouting in the all directions wherever it is, is a something that the young man can be proud of, before society in the many areas of the Africa and the Middle East.
i.e. it is a very easy to say "hell, it is horrible, this guys are bad! Why do people even doing such things!" when you are sitting in the warm office and drinking your coffee, somewhere in the New Jersey (like the New Jersey from the ATHF-cartoon ), and it is a very difficult to say the same, when you are need to work hard every day to just do not die, and the only power that can protect you from a losing the all goods that you have , or even your health and life - the islamic radical guys, somewhere near the Mogadishu. The same with a criminal stuff, the same with other above mentioned ideologies.
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