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RedSoxFan3
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posted February 24, 2005 12:34 PM |
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Rewards for Playing Different Maps
I remember back in the days of Season 3, when fixed maps were the big thing and random maps were only just being discovered. Back then you would see dozens of rooms, with game descriptions of something like
dw, hg3, w vs e
and if you asked if they wanted to play bfh or boomerang or something, you wouldn't even hear, sorry I hate that map.
You would instead hear something like I've never played that map or I don't know that map. I've always hated how people refuse to play maps that they haven't "memorized" even against players who have a much lower rank than they. However I did get the honor of playing Frank and after the first game, he said to choose any map I like and we would play that one, so Kudos to him.
Anyway to get to the point I was thinking there should be some sort of medal or bonus for playing 25 different maps or whatever number seems appropiate. I might be going out on a limb here, but I'd say that most players haven't tried probably even 75% of the maps. I would rank myself at probably around 90%, however I haven't played hundreds of games in my life. I've only played a handful over the years.
Wiggy Wam would definitely like this idea as I still remember his quest to play every single map on the map page. I can't remember if he ever did complete it that season though.
Anyways, I'd like to know what the rest of you think about an idea like this.
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Leo_Lion
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posted March 25, 2005 01:09 AM |
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I like this idea, RSF! I wonder if something like this would apply only to fixed maps or if it would also consider random templates?
Either way, it would add a little spice...and that's always nice! 
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balcough_dra...
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unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted March 25, 2005 08:08 PM |
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don't forget about the h4 side either 
and jinxer would love you right now 
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Patrel
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posted April 24, 2005 04:59 PM |
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Why not simply let the lower ranked person choose the map? Or am I over looking something that prevents this from being a simple solution/suggestion?
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 16, 2005 06:20 PM |
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I just had a look at the rankings page and noted that Wuderior the current leader who will surely be this years champion with only a few days let has played 46 different maps. So it seems we have a champion who is leading by example in this respect.
Kubkollo has played 34 and Frank 28 so i am glad to see that map speciallity is not the way of all the top players.
Here is my idea.
Instead of a reward for playing so many different maps how about a penalty for playing a particular map or template so many times. Example.
once you have played lets say HG3 10 times you will no longer be able to get points for playing that map anymore
Or It would work in a similar way to the cherry penalty where players who play other players ranked well below them too often get a cherry logo next to their name. Lets face it do we really want a champion with only 5 maps to their name and is there really any honour in winning an entire season this way.
This would not completely take away the fun of the game for those who like their maps as there are always tourny's where they can get prestige points for success with a limited number of maps. But map specialising outside of these tourny's should i feel incur some kind of penalty.
Btw i have yet to see a player with a cherry next to their name so evidently this kind of penalty does work as a detterent. It's really just a question of whether or not most players including the tourny organisers and ToH leaders really feel that this is an honour issue.
What do you think?
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balcough_dra...
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unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted May 17, 2005 05:17 AM |
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the cherry is a hard thing to get
i know of only a few who really deserve it
first of all you must be a high ranker that beats only footmen and below
and there is only 1 of those this season on the h4 side
and he knows who he is but i don't think he posts here
plays newbs on an open rush map and i bet he picks alighment also
some people like to play like this i guess
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CMEPTb
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posted May 17, 2005 08:38 AM |
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May be it will be interesting makes cherry more useful? About 80% newbie games or lesser?
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 17, 2005 05:38 PM |
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Actually I thought my first idea about some sort of cap being put on the number of times you can play a map after which you will no longer get points was the most usefull sugestion.
Would this be difficult to implement because there is no question that it would work.
I think 10 is a good number because it means that for each 100 games you play you will have to play at least 10 different maps. For a lot of players this would not seriously alter their current playing habits.
Really it is just to stop players from having say 90 games on one map that they memorise and only 2 or 3 games
on a handfull of other maps. Now that player will have to play at least 9 other maps in order to get the same number of games played.
Perhaps ToH feels that it is not worth changing anything now with homm5 just around the corner, but i think the the same issues will come about in this game also eventually and that it would be a good idea to have a tried and tested system allready in place to stop it from ever happening.
Ves what do you think ?
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Patrel
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posted May 23, 2005 01:59 AM |
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I'm not too keen on the idea of limiting the # of times you can play a map. I understand the desired effect, but then folks could just be picky on who they want to play maps against.
Playing a skilled player? Better play a map you know very well. Then ofcourse people can always use the limit as an excuse to avoid playing a certain map with "oh no, another friend and I plan to play that map alot, sorry"
Again, I think the desired effect is nice, just that there will be ways around it.
I think it would keep things more positive as well to reward players who make an effort to play a wider range of maps, rather than punish the ones that do not.
After all, you can always look up someone's record before playing, and if they have alot of wins on the map they want to play, you know that going in, and no one is forcing you to play them.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 23, 2005 03:26 AM |
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well you would have to reward them with more points then otherwise they would have no reason to do it.
Its a competition based on points and thats what all players will play for at some level, and it just does not seem credible to offer players points for playing more maps because then you will have players with no skill or no wins with points, just because they played lots of maps.
Remember i was not talking about taking points away from players, just making them play more maps if they wish to conbtinue aquiring points.
The abuses you speak of will not happen amoung honourable players, and for those who do not wish to play honourably, we have a place called HOS. And if their offences are not heavy enough to put them in HOS then there is another place called a do not play list.
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Patrel
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posted May 24, 2005 11:44 AM |
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Then again, with the reporting system as it is (which is fine, I just mean in terms of this discussion) it's to simple for people to simply change the map names upon there reporting.
I know, I know 'honorable players' and all that. But if enough people don't like the idea of being forced to play different maps to keep earning points, then even the vets can keep playing their same maps and just agreeing to spread the reporting of such around different map names. Not accusing that anyone would, just saying that it'd be to simple to ignore.
So basically now I'm thinking, what's the point? It's easy to get around.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 24, 2005 12:04 PM |
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If the vets were like that then they would allready be in HoS for something else by now. Also False reporting is one of the honour councils specialities.
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Patrel
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posted May 25, 2005 05:08 AM |
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I just meant that it may be alot of work for nothing, as if someone doesn't like the rule, they don't really have to follow it.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 25, 2005 09:27 PM |
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I see your point, but i am not talking about a player made rule here which is why i am hoping Ves will respond.
If Ves says no this can not be made into a tourny rule then that is that, and you hear no more from me about it.
C'mon the Ves.
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Patrel
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posted May 26, 2005 10:00 AM |
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I think by them listing maps played and # of times in player profiles, that Ves/ToH feels that that's enough of a precaution. If I as a new player see that a player has played a map 20 times and won 19 of them, and still agree to play 'their' map, then I know what to expect
However, if a few friends and I enjoy playing the same 3 different maps over and over I wouldn't want to get penalized for it. And yes just lower the points awarded for playing the same maps over and over is the same thing as a penalty to me.
I do agree thought that it'd be nice if there were some incentive to play different maps. Maybe some kind of bonus for the first players to 'win' on a certain map 'X' # of times per season or some such?
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