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posted March 02, 2011 10:26 PM |
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Okay. Let me rephrase. How did you measure your maturity? What makes you able to compare your maturity to someone elses?
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applies to, say, 80% of people.
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There is undoubtedly an official psychological "scale" and measurement method
I doubt it. After all, if it was the case, then what's the point of laws that require a certain age of you, before you can vote, have sex, etc.?
I see you list a lot of variables of how what you think decides maturity. Have you considered that many of those variables are very subjective? Who should decide what it is to be sophisticated? How would you differ between ones ability against being influenced if you can only see half of the process?
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How do you measure maturity?
Edit: It'd be nice to know, because then we would no longer need to link age and maturity.
Hmm, Well I'd hope that it would be measured by how strongly we stand for what we believe is right and good in our hearts as well as how well we treat others, but then someone like JJ or Elodin would come out of some crack in the wall, punch me in the face and say "No, child. You are wrong, wrong, wrong. Go spread your foolish ideas in the VW and the Glade like you were told and never return to the OSM."
That's rather funny.
You are wrong. 
How much do you want to bet that Elodin would have thrown a biblical quote on morality at me.  and I know that yo actually wouldn't do this, but that there would be some kind of argument that resulted from me stating my opinion.
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It would be very immature to say such a thing. The mature thing would be to express forgiving understanding for the errors of your ways and ask you to back your statements up and whether standing for what we believe is right and good in our hearts would more often than not be something we do as children, in youthful and immature rashness, even though we believe crap, while maturity might well mean that we do things because we somehow feel it would be wrong not doing it.
I'd maybe argue that maturity might have something to do with experience and the way people cope with it and accept it as part of their life, as well as being able to keep yourself in check and don't act rash.
Or I could state my opinion and we could just accept that as my opinion that I'm only stating. It doesn't have to turn into a 2 page long argument... But obviously this is not mature and I should not express such an absurd idea seeing as everyone on the OSM follows this code.
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posted March 03, 2011 04:00 AM |
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GOD=COMMUNISM God (and religion) is a synonym for communism, with an additional chapter of "afterlife".
 
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posted March 03, 2011 09:25 AM |
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Or I could state my opinion and we could just accept that as my opinion that I'm only stating. It doesn't have to turn into a 2 page long argument...
No, it doesn't. But doesn't maturity mean also, that opinons are not cut in stone, but open to discussion? That if you do have an opinion that you have to check it against counterpoints?
Anyway, this is not my thread. I just read my name and couldn't resist to point to a certain paradox in your statement.
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posted March 03, 2011 02:18 PM |
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That's how all such things (Like 2 page long discussions) begin.
But anyway, New question, Volk?
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I knew someone would make a misinterpreting comment on this. That was a loose metaphor...but I'm sure you are well aware of that, but simply felt the urge to manipulate my statement to make it look adverse to it's message. Let's pretend I said 60-70 years old to make this more comprehensive.
I manipulated nothing. You said you were mentally like a 100 year old. What else is there to interpret? Either you are saying you are senile or you simply didn't think through the logical implications of your thought before you put pen to paper. Why did I bring it up? Simple: because it's a crystal clear representation of pretty much everything you write. Bombastic, arrogant, self-important and yet utterly wrong. What is the purpose of a "loose metaphor"? In philosophical discourse, language needs to be as taut as a steel cable holding up a building. If it isn't, the building collapses. Loose language is half of your problem. If there is any weakness in your argument, loose language will expose it.
Look. Someone I respect here at HC has stated to me privately that he/she likes you but is afraid of where you're headed. I've no doubt you are intelligent, but that's neither here nor there. Most of the people here are reasonably intelligent. HoMM attracts reasonably intelligent people. What you are not is intellectually mature. That easily comes across in your sloppy rhetoric, your illogical statements and - most of all - your near total lack of emotional restraint.
Now please, before you get all hot and bothered, I do not willfully insult you. You're 16. I'm 33. I've got better things to do with my time than get in a pissing contest with a teenager.
What I'd like to do is help you. First, while my beliefs are generally aligned in the same direction that yours are, I'd like to help you see why many of your arguments are about as water tight as a submarine with a screen door. Second, I'd like to help you see why your style of argument is self-defeating and counterproductive - not just to yourself but to the philosophical argument that we are all invested in. All the intelligence in the world will not make a lick of difference if you lack the ability to communicate your ideas properly, and by making an ass of yourself you color the perceptions of other people toward everyone who holds similar views to yours. Yeah, that includes me. Of course, you're a teenager, and maturity in this regard takes much time to develop. But I can help, and I'm interested in doing it not just for your sake, but for mine as well. This is self-preservation.
I tried taking the hard line, but that didn't work. You misunderstood what I was getting at. So, I'll try it the nice way. I will parse your words in this thread and try to show you why you are wrong, and offer you guidance so that maybe you can perform better. I can't teach you the science, of course - that would take years. But I can show you by example why your approach to the science is all wrong. And why your approach to the debate is all wrong as well.
But I'm not going to do it unless you want it. All I ask is an open mind and a willingness to admit the shortcomings of your knowledge and experience. That takes humility, but only through humility can a person learn.
So. What do you say?
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posted March 03, 2011 10:23 PM |
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that would mean 50% of older Poles are in reality kids 
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Okay. Let me rephrase. How did you measure your maturity? What makes you able to compare your maturity to someone elses?
By comparing the various aspects mentioned by me before, of course it is a lot more complicated than that. Additionally to that, I consider a trait I'll refer to as "not being a swarm animal that forgets about it's individuality when in a group, simply being a mindless indifferentiable component of an annoying unintelligent organism" that makes someone immature to me to start with.
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I doubt it. After all, if it was the case, then what's the point of laws that require a certain age of you, before you can vote, have sex, etc.?
Well the laws are a REFLECTION of the general age most people become relatively (society-functionally and decision-makingly) mature. Of course it isn't 100% reliable and far from perfect, but there should be one in existence, at least a general official model. Example: no sexual intercourse before the age of 16(?, varies in different countries) this is mainly because of finances (the coverup of morals aside) if a juvenile gets pregnant it could lead to pregnancy, which in consequence means a child would be brought up by a parentally-immature person, AND of course it is a financial strain and something against the will of the teenager's parents.
Generally, countries' sexual intercourse and minimum working age barriers match, coincidence? No, it means that a young person that gets pregnant (or gets someone pregnant) can legally earn money for the baby and take responsibility.
In other words, if there was a 100% guarantee that contraception will prevent pregnancy, I'm sure sexual intercourse wouldn't be illegal for anyone over, say 12/13, or simply when they are physically able to have it.
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I see you list a lot of variables of how what you think decides maturity. Have you considered that many of those variables are very subjective?
Well yes I admit, but every law/moral in the world humans created is only a reflection of certain human values, hence subjective.
Humans didn't create a law stating that killing animals and abusing them is illegal because all that violence doesn't, and never will be a threat to them. Vice versa, human laws are primarily egoistic, because knowing one is THEMSELVES legally protected against murder and any form of abuse, they will obey that law.
By the way, I consider animal slaughter wrong on all grounds, and would personally bazooka everyone who slaughters animals in the face, if I had the power to do so. Criticise me but that's in all honesty.
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Overall I respect and understand what you said, but what you seem to have wrongly assumed, is that a loose internet discussion is a matter of life and death to me. All the comments you (correctly) made about more carefully choosing words to make my arguments look stronger and less flawed are all true, but I am aware of that and knowingly phrase my comments in such ways. And please, for the last time, if you don't ignore my age(or simply don't associate it with the teenage stereotype, I HATE teenagers) while talking with me, I will simply assume you don't respect me.
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You said you were mentally like a 100 year old. What else is there to interpret?
It was an emphacising metaphor for old age compared to a teenage mind...if you still pick on this it's like me correcting your "... before you put pen to paper." with "oh well, think well before you speak because actually I am typing on a keyboard". Ridiculous and unnecessary right?
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If there is any weakness in your argument, loose language will expose it.
Correct. But when talking to an intelligent person (which you are) I assume you won't waste mine and your time on trying to use this against me, but concentrate on my message which you understand anyways. But OK, I'll try to use language that suits you from now on.
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Look. Someone I respect here at HC has stated to me privately that he/she likes you but is afraid of where you're headed/
What? Can you tell me more because that was very unexpected and I don't see why (well I suspect why, but everyone here has their different views).
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What you are not is intellectually mature.
What's wrong with you? I shouldn't even need to mention you don't possess enough information about me, nevermind know me, to be saying such nonsense. Paradoxically, in our conversation it's you who's acting out the role of a hormonal teenager.
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That easily comes across in your sloppy rhetoric, your illogical statements and - most of all - your near total lack of emotional restraint.
My statements are not illogical, if you claim otherwise please provide proof.
Lack of emotional restraint? I am the most emotionless person I know, and never act or say anything on an impulse. I suppose you got that impression from the language I sometimes use, only to emphacise my point at most, but doesn't reflect my emotional state at the slightest...
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I've got better things to do with my time than get in a pissing contest with a teenager.
That pathetic attempt of provocation was neither amusing, nor insulting, and I will not be a victim of your prejudice in any way. "Pissing contest"? What kind of language are you using, it is well below my and hopefully your levels so why? It is you that seems to have some emotional disorders.
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Of course, you're a teenager, and maturity in this regard takes much time to develop.
Mine has fully developed, and at least to the level of any adult I know. I thought I'd let you know because your whole argument against me seems to be centered around that aspect.
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But I'm not going to do it unless you want it. All I ask is an open mind and a willingness to admit the shortcomings of your knowledge and experience. That takes humility, but only through humility can a person learn.
I truly do, it is very interesting and constructive to converse with people of good knowledge and intelligence. If you prove me wrong, I will admit it, however please don't comment on my knowledge and experience of which you have no idea. I agree with the humility statement, but what is it an allusion to?
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So, I'll try it the nice way. I will parse your words in this thread and try to show you why you are wrong, and offer you guidance so that maybe you can perform better. I can't teach you the science, of course - that would take years. But I can show you by example why your approach to the science is all wrong. And why your approach to the debate is all wrong as well.
That'd be interesting to see, I'm curious.
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So. What do you say?
I say yes. Mutual respect and understanding is the most important, just tell me specifically what your problem with my statements is, quotes appreciated.
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posted March 03, 2011 11:48 PM |
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Generally, countries' sexual intercourse and minimum working age barriers match, coincidence?
How did you arrive at this conclusion? I doubt it does.
In any case. Unrequired generalization, is unrequired. As such, there's no reason for having something that fits almost everyone, if you can have something that fits everyone.
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Humans didn't create a law stating that killing animals and abusing them is illegal because all that violence doesn't, and never will be a threat to them.
Cruelty against animals is illegal.
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I consider animal slaughter wrong on all grounds, and would personally bazooka everyone who slaughters animals in the face
Right, so slaugthering is wrong, but bazookaing an animal is okay?
Or are you gonna bazooka yourself after you bazooka the guy who slaugthered the animal?
Or doesn't your rules apply to yourself?
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First you will have to understand that I do not participate in quote wars, so I will not respond to every sentence you write individually. I find that the content of a discussion suffers when that happens, for reasons which I will elaborate on at a later time.
That said, I do wish to address a few of your statements.
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And please, for the last time, if you don't ignore my age(or simply don't associate it with the teenage stereotype, I HATE teenagers) while talking with me, I will simply assume you don't respect me.
You may or may hate teenagers. Nonetheless, you are one, and no matter how much you associate being called a teenager with disrespect, this will not change. There is of course great variation in the intellect, education level and general maturity of people from any age group, and I do not make a habit of cramming people into tightly defined boxes. As a scientist, I make conclusions based on data. When making judgments about people, that data takes the form of what they say and what they do. Granted, an online format provides for a rather limited viewpoint in that regard, and what comes across over a computer screen may be different from that which is reality. Still, having been in academia for some time and having mentored students at a wide range of academic levels - and, in particular, dealing with their writing samples and analyzing the way they think - I'm a fairly good judge of intellectual maturity based on writing samples.
Let me be direct. When I call you a teenager, that is not a slur or a means for me to show disrespect. (Though, your race to interpret things as disrespect or intended insult does tell me a lot about your intellectual maturity.) It is a fact. Another fact is that gaining knowledge of science takes time, and even moreso does turning that knowledge into logical conclusions and gaining experience in communicating that knowledge to other people. I speak not only in crafting sentences and paragraphs, or formulating a logical argument, but also dealing with criticism, understanding counterarguments, finding flaws in logic, knowing when further debate is worthless, and, most importantly, exposing yourself to quality sources of other viewpoints. Skill in debate and intellectual discourse is honed through years of practice.
So, really it's just a matter of arithmetic. You are 16. Ignoring a few extremely rare and well-publicized counterexamples, it is strictly impossible for you at 16 to have gained the experience of which I speak. This is also quite evident to me by the way you write and form your arguments - you have some good things to say, but the way you say them is clumsy and clunky. Your language is imprecise and hurried. Watching you argue with Elodin is sort of like watching someone try to use a sledgehammer to open a can of soup - sure, it might accomplish the task of opening the can, but you've ruined the soup in the process, so did you really accomplish anything? [Ok, well, Elodin is a bad example. He's absolutely hopless to have a meaningful discussion with.. but I think you get my point.]
My point is that you have a lot of emotional and intellectual growth ahead of you. You're only sixteen, after all. But if it makes you feel better: I am 33 and I still plan on growing intellectually. There is no endpoint to this kind of maturation, so your assertions of having arrived at intellectual maturity aren't very convincing to me. So there's no reason to get indignant when someone points out that you are still young and have a lot to learn, especially when that someone is twice your age and has a lot more experience in science/logic than you do.
So. I hope that we can abandon this "you don't respect me" stuff. It takes a lot more than being young and inexperienced to lose my respect. What I respect is people who actively try to grow and who are interested in learning about other viewpoints. Perhaps I have not done the best job of making this fairly clear to you. I hope it is clear now.
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Lack of emotional restraint? I am the most emotionless person I know, and never act or say anything on an impulse. I suppose you got that impression from the language I sometimes use, only to emphacise my point at most, but doesn't reflect my emotional state at the slightest...
I have no objective data on you or your emotional state. I refer to emotionally charged language.
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That pathetic attempt of provocation was neither amusing, nor insulting, and I will not be a victim of your prejudice in any way. "Pissing contest"? What kind of language are you using, it is well below my and hopefully your levels so why? It is you that seems to have some emotional disorders.
You are not American and (I assume) not a native English speaker. You probably don't have much experience in the use of English literary allusions, idioms and expressions of similar kind. "Pissing contest" is an English expression used to signify a contest of egos of little ultimate importance. You can see more about it here. No provocation was intended.
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If you prove me wrong, I will admit it, however please don't comment on my knowledge and experience of which you have no idea. I agree with the humility statement, but what is it an allusion to?
I am not out to prove anything. You need to abandon your hangup on proof. It is a very much overused term and most people don't really understand what it means. And I'm not asking you to admit to any deficiencies, either. What I'm asking is for you to approach a conversation with the attitude that you want to learn something.
Let me put it this way. When you take a class, you take it because you are interested in a topic and want to learn more about it. You respect the professor/teacher as a person of authority who knows more about the topic than you do. Therefore, you do not go into the class with an adversarial attitude, i.e., one in which the teacher must prove that every statement he/she makes is correct. You don't go into the class already believing you know everything about the material and are daring the teacher to prove otherwise. You go into the class with the assumption that your knowledge is incomplete, and that what you used to think you know about the material may not be correct. This does take a certain degree of humility. Learning ALWAYS takes a certain degree of humility, because you have to admit to yourself or others that you are imperfect. The best students are those who are most honest about what they do not know.
What I'm advocating is a particular attitude. The good thing is that, more or less, we ultimately share some common beliefs. This would be much more difficult if I was a Christian. All I'm asking (really, all I want from anyone) is that you think about what I say before you leap to defend your point of view. Changing your posting style will help in that regard, but I'll get to that later.
Look, this will take me some time. I've been fairly busy lately. My lengthier posts often take a considerable amount of effort to compose because I choose my words carefully. It might be several days before I do this.
If nothing else, I hope you now realize that I don't really hold ill will toward you (or anyone else here). Sometimes my posts evoke a short temper or disdain, but you should know it is not at a personal level. I just have little patience for opinions framed out of closemindedness. Thankfully there aren't many people here who qualify. For what it's worth, the tone of my first (now deleted) post to you was, I believe, framed out of a misjudgment. Having read more of your posts since then, I don't believe you to be close-minded so much as unskilled in rhetorical debate due to inexperience (although, openmindedness takes practice, too). At least, that is my current impression. If you want to know what I believe is the true value of openmindedness, please read this. In the end, however, you do have to understand that I hold close-minded atheists in just as low regard as close-minded anything else. They do a disservice to other atheists because they contribute to prejudice. Thankfully, the benefit of being young is that you still have time to chart your own course.
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posted March 04, 2011 03:02 AM |
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In any case. Unrequired generalization, is unrequired. As such, there's no reason for having something that fits almost everyone, if you can have something that fits everyone.
yeah good luck. when people think they have a such an idea and want to apply it, it often ends in bloodbath.
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You are not American and (I assume) not a native English speaker. You probably don't have much experience in the use of English literary allusions, idioms and expressions of similar kind. "Pissing contest" is an English expression used to signify a contest of egos of little ultimate importance. You can see more about it here. No provocation was intended.
not a native english speaker? I felt his english was good for a 16 years old. I wish you good luck finding a teenager who speaks english that well here, most of them barely master the bases.
in another hand, you talk about literary allusions, idioms and expressions, and nowadays, at least in France, I'm not convinced teenagers have much knowledge about them. spending their time on Facebook, seeing the level of language there, doesn't help them much.
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posted March 04, 2011 05:06 AM |
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not a native english speaker? I felt his english was good for a 16 years old. I wish you good luck finding a teenager who speaks english that well here, most of them barely master the bases.
I was not being critical. His English is fine. But why would a non-American be familiar with American expressions and slang?
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posted March 04, 2011 10:14 AM |
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Hmm, Well I'd hope that it would be measured by how strongly we stand for what we believe is right and good in our hearts as well as how well we treat others, but then someone like JJ or Elodin would come out of some crack in the wall, punch me in the face and say "No, child. You are wrong, wrong, wrong. Go spread your foolish ideas in the VW and the Glade like you were told and never return to the OSM."
Sorry, but you are wrong baout me. I'll even say you are lying. I've never punched anyone in the face for anything they said. I'd appreaciate it if people "like you" would stop lying about me.
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Well elodin. You just did exactly that... I mean, you do understand it's not something that should be taken literally, right?
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Hmm, Well I'd hope that it would be measured by how strongly we stand for what we believe is right and good in our hearts as well as how well we treat others, but then someone like JJ or Elodin would come out of some crack in the wall, punch me in the face and say "No, child. You are wrong, wrong, wrong. Go spread your foolish ideas in the VW and the Glade like you were told and never return to the OSM."
Sorry, but you are wrong baout me. I'll even say you are lying. I've never punched anyone in the face for anything they said. I'd appreaciate it if people "like you" would stop lying about me.
Ummmmmmmmm.... Elodin? I was talking about figuratively punching me in the face............. Which you just did Pluss, that post was about 30% joking, 10% bitter raging and 60% I don't want to get involed in an argument....
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Well elodin. You just did exactly that... I mean, you do understand it's not something that should be taken literally, right?
No I did not. A poster made a personal attack on me with a false statement about me and I called him on it. The statement about me was a lie and I did not hesitate to call it a lie.
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A poster made a personal attack on me...
... ok I'm not posting here again.
BTW. You gave up, Elo?
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posted March 04, 2011 06:27 PM |
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I was using you as an example of one of the extreme sides that wouldn't like that I was staying nicely in the middle, not making commitments one way or the other, about what is mature. I apologize if you think that what I said was a personal attack but, d@mn man, your stances makes you the pime target for this kind of thing. No matter what, you view-point will be influenced strongly to one way, while JJ and other posters will be going a different way, and I wanted to make a post but I knew that one side, or both sides, would draw me into an argument that I really didn't want. So instead, I made my point of view clear and then made a joke so that we could avoid the situation we are currently in.
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posted March 04, 2011 07:49 PM |
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A poster made a personal attack on me...
... ok I'm not posting here again.
BTW. You gave up, Elo?
Eh, I have a life outside the OSM. I've been quite busy of late. But I've proven so many anti-theist statements to be false so far. How many do I have to prove false before I can just laugh and point when an anti-theist says anything about religion?
For example, the claim that Christans say women are not human, that I proved false. My claims the anti-theits post appear to be just for provocation rather than an actual serious discussion.
Anyways, my wife and I are leaving town for a couple of days so have a good weekend.
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Cruelty against animals is illegal.
Theoretically yes, but to me mass slaughter of animals for food is also cruelty (obviously).
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Right, so slaugthering is wrong, but bazookaing an animal is okay?
Or are you gonna bazooka yourself after you bazooka the guy who slaugthered the animal?
Or doesn't your rules apply to yourself?
I was referring to people specifically, not other animals. What I'm trying to say is, that if I was the "dictator" of Earth, I'd make all animal slaughter farms illegal and make vegetarianism compulsory; now I know you'll call me a hypocrite because carnivores also kill other animals, but the animals mistreated and slaughtered for food are ironically 90% herbivore. MOREOVER a lion's digestive system wouldn't allow it to survive off any diet other than meat, it is strictly carnivorous in nature, a human on the other hand, is an omnivore, and taking me as an example an exclusively vegetarian diet for the past 7 years has not had ANY adverse effects on my health. So using a HOMM fantasy-like example, we are like Vampires, who despite the possibility of drinking synthetic blood and not killing anyone, still choose to slaughter and drink true blood.
MOREOVER all the immense amount of food fed to the poor slaughter animals, could be used to feed the starving PEOPLE instead too, while killing no one.
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Yes, I understand that it is a simple fact that my age is 16, however that doesn't state anything about me other than revealing my approximate birthdate, I hope you understand. Additionally, I am sure comparing you to other 33 year old people would be absurd. Now I also comprehend your message of maturity and experience taking time to expand and advance during a lifetime, however I REALLY am different, though everything you mentioned about maturity is very correct in general. And I am not offended by being referred to as a teenager, because I obviously am one, however what is quite irritating (yes, irritating) is using that fact to emphacise anything, it is in my case irrelevant.
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I admire you for having the nerve and patience to be able to routinely cooperate with teenagers I doubt I would...
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it is strictly impossible for you at 16 to have gained the experience of which I speak.
Corribus my friend, this is exactly where you are wrong about me, that statement being true for 99% of teenagers nontheless.
Regarding my rushed and unprecise way of writing, I agree to a certain extent, however my justification is an abundance of events happening lately in my life, followed by the fact I really don't have enough free time to casually sit here and spend a few hours carefully reanalysing my post before publishing it; I'll improve.
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Watching you argue with Elodin is sort of like watching someone try to use a sledgehammer to open a can of soup - sure, it might accomplish the task of opening the can, but you've ruined the soup in the process,
Ah well, Elodin's arguments are the soup in this metaphor, which I DO intend to ruin OK I'm joking and I know what you mean, I shall handle his inpenetratable can of highly-saturated biblical puree more delicately next time.
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My point is that you have a lot of emotional and intellectual growth ahead of you.
I hope otherwise, any progression in my way of thinking would make me incapable of functioning in a society filled with people so different from me...
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You are not American and (I assume) not a native English speaker. You probably don't have much experience in the use of English literary allusions, idioms and expressions of similar kind. "Pissing contest" is an English expression used to signify a contest of egos of little ultimate importance. You can see more about it here. No provocation was intended.
Okay, let me clarify. I am Polish and hence Polish is my mother language, I have moved to England at the age of 11, therefore spent 5 years in a British school. (although irrelevant I also speak French and Finnish, my proficiency in progression). Regarding my knowledge of English, I can surely state (and this has been reflected by a popular opinion among my English friends/English teachers and my grades) that it is highly advanced compared to most British teenagers. I have understood what you expressed by "pissing contest" but it is beyond me why you assumed we could possibly have one (oh, my bad reputation due to the antitheist comments, well religion is an exceptional subject where I don't hesitate to say what I think)
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because you have to admit to yourself or others that you are imperfect.
Yes, but notice neither is the teacher.
So in conclusion I am glad we understand each other and are willing to converse politely and with empathy. Admittedly, what you probably extracted from my comments already, is that I have a strong disliking and criticism towards the human species in general, atheist or theist, empowering my hate for religion due to hypocrisy, lack of consequence, an illusion that humans are better/more important than in reality, it's political aspect, and sheer nonsense and stupidity it represents.
Overall I am open to any more constructive criticism you wish appropriate for me, though I am already aware of most of the things you said.
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not a native english speaker? I felt his english was good for a 16 years old. I wish you good luck finding a teenager who speaks english that well here, most of them barely master the bases.
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But I've proven so many anti-theist statements to be false so far. How many do I have to prove false before I can just laugh and point when an anti-theist says anything about religion?
I don't know what statements you refer to, but you have proven NONE of my statements false, I dare you to even try. Besides, the Bible is just a book composed by humans, and Jesus was simply a mentally ill person with very good intentions and heart, though still only a human in the end.
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For example, the claim that Christans say women are not human, that I proved false.
Well they are considered human, but widely discriminated nevertheless, but that claim rather applies to Islam...Muslims are even worse and more fanatic than Christians 
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People are animals too. Aren't they?
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No I did not. A poster made a personal attack on me with a false statement about me and I called him on it. The statement about me was a lie and I did not hesitate to call it a lie.
No. You're behaving like a complete moron, in this regard. You've all the information there's to understand what you replied to. It's your problem you still don't understand it.
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