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Arangar
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Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted January 07, 2004 03:56 PM |
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But hey...jinxer was right after all
All this opposition and he is correct 
The disintegrate effect took place on his paladin, apparently, so jinxer wins!
arrf!
Arangar
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
ranger of the north
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted January 07, 2004 05:18 PM |
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you must be kidding me ! 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted January 07, 2004 06:41 PM |
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Be careful people I just had a lengthly descussion with Teacher, and you all MUST agree with his views or he gets grouchy. If its not his way he cant see any other possibilities 
Jinxer
Willing to Learn
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted January 08, 2004 01:22 PM |
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i just wanted to correct your missinfo , or complete the lack of info, and for me, it sounded like an uninterested , volunteer help , not a method to impose my ideas , but ...it looks like my act was missunderstood. I have nothing to lose here.
jinxer, hope you'll find a better teacher
have a nice day
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BuckFarseer
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 10, 2004 08:01 PM |
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Hi again! Its a fun discussion.
Im not an expert - I can only tell you how I interpret the rules. And I do NOT think the disintegrate spell goes through. This is how I see it:
1. The spellcaster casts the disintegrate spell.
2. The spell hits the angels.
3. = The battle between the angels and the spell caster takes place.
4. The outcome is calculated. The outcome would be the amount of damage delt.
5. Normally hit points equal to the damage delt would be withdrawn from the angels...
6. But because of the martyr spell the damage is "given" to the paladin.
7. So instead hit points equal to the damage delt is withdrawn from the paladin
Accordingly:
an attack spell like disintegrate is something that is used DURING a battle
damage is something that occurs AFTER a battle
and a defensive spell lika the martyr spell also takes place AFTER battle.
Only if the martyr spell had been a spell that redirected the attacking spell (not just the damage) - like a bullit - I would have agreed w u Jinxer. But in such case the martyr spell would also have led to a battle taking place between the spell caster and the paladin.
Did I make ANY sense?
Anyway, its fun talking to u guys!
Buck
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Arangar
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Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted January 12, 2004 01:58 AM |
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But what jinxer was saying is that the Disintegrate shouldn't affect the paladin, but it did. So he means the same as you
I thought the paladin was killed by the spell, even with immo potion on, meaning the entire spell was transferred, not just the damage?
Arangar
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
ranger of the north
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted January 12, 2004 06:23 AM |
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YES disinegrate came thru and poof my hero dies DISappeared from field ( he had immortality on)
SO that means disinegrate came thru.
Now what do you have to say... BUCK ?
Jinxer
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted January 12, 2004 07:03 AM |
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ah see jinxer you are correct about that. the hero should NOT have been disintegrated. The problem is, earlier in the thread you were arguing that the hero should've taken no damage at all because he had GM magic resistance! which is ridiculous. So if you had only argued the right thing, you would've been right
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted January 12, 2004 02:24 PM |
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I still disagree with the fact that spell damage comes thru, but I am quickly learning that 3DO's descriptions are very vague and they vary. And have recently noted that the descriptions in the game and the ones in the book are often different as well.
I just think its funny how many people will defend a description is SO many ways, yet not really know why the spell works as it does. Only to find out that the spell was truely mistyped in the in game description.
Bottom line regardless how I introduced the problem, there is a problem with the spell and how it works.
Jinxer
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted January 12, 2004 02:37 PM |
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Spell descriptions: Part II
Problem:
How to figure out who gets hit with what when both armies have Magic Mirror on a hero or creature while f.ex. fireballs are cast
There are some seriously sneaky tacticts out there, and I've only heard of/seen some
Now.... someone should go test this on (unintentionally ofcourse) Jinxer so we can get a new interesting thread to post on!
I'm not a fan of this bug myself 
Arangar
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
ranger of the north
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted January 12, 2004 06:49 PM |
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The Angels were disintegrated as they had no protection to magic.
The hero nobly stepped forward (or is that backward?) to take all the damage instead of the Angels.
Hero died due to a massive blast of damage accepted.
May he (or was it she?) rest in peace.
End of discussion.
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted January 13, 2004 01:04 AM |
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well djive, the bug is that the hero had an immortality cast on him but was DISINTEGRATED. he shouldve died, yes, but shouldve been resurrected by the imm potion, since only the damage is transmitted, not the disintegrate. but yes, you are correct in saying that jinxer is definitely wrong in saying that the hero shouldnt take damage at all
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gerdash
Responsible
Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted January 13, 2004 07:06 PM |
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sorry for just popping in here and only reading a few posts, but this thread is somehow funny.
so the enemy archers hit the guy who was protected by martyr, and, omg, the archers didn't even have line of sight to the guy who was to take the damage!
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but the disintegrate thing is interesting. in this case, when blind is casted on the protected stack, the stack that takes the damage should also take the blind. but the blind isn't damage at all. same with slow, etc. as far as i remember, they say 'damage.'
i wonder where the disintegration effect should go then? or can disintegration be interpreted as damage?
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted January 13, 2004 10:54 PM |
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*sigh*... it seems over half of homm community, doesnt understand concept of martyr spell. It ONLY transfers damage. so blind will not be transferred. disintegrate does damage, so that damage is transferred, but not the "disintegrate" effect. Not that hard concept.. really now.
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Jinxer
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posted January 14, 2004 02:33 AM |
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That is correct Camel, but you keep forgetting that I have PROVED that the disinegrate effect DOES infact come thru. My hero vansihed from field after my immo potion didnt work. So not only did damage come thru but the disinegrate did as well.
Jinxer
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted January 14, 2004 04:32 AM |
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and i have been agreeing that the disintegrate coming through is a bug. but let's drag this out for another 20 replies because we can
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EmperorSly
Known Hero
Destroyer of Liver
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posted January 16, 2004 10:04 AM |
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Interesting case. Has anyone experience with martyr and other combined attacks, like shots from venom spawns or getting poked by unicorn? Or getting hit by squires? What would happen to poison, blind, or stun then?
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted January 16, 2004 06:13 PM |
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stun, etc. wouldn't transfer.
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BuckFarseer
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 18, 2004 06:25 PM |
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Hi again!
Just for the record;
I totally agree the paladin shouldn't have been disintegrated, only killed (and then resurrected by imm).
If that was what you ment all along Jinxer - my apologies!
(I thought you ment the damage shouldnt go through at all)
Thanks for the enlightening posts guys!
Buck
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