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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted January 08, 2004 08:30 AM

New House

This not really homm4 related, or at least kind of.  But anyways we put up stuff about our new house.  Come and take a look, and seriously, homm players are invited for hot seat.  This especially means you Deth8, Dargon & Zud.

http://www.toheroes.com/pics/newhouse/newhouse.html


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balcough_dragons


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unlucky? i want to pump you up
posted January 08, 2004 08:47 AM

nice house
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted January 08, 2004 08:51 AM

Can I stay in the upper middle left window room Ves ?
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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted January 08, 2004 09:17 AM

Hey Consis, that depends on Melissa.  She's in her 3rd year of Med School, and upon her graduation in 1.5 years, we would like to spend some time traveling, then yes, this home needs kids, otherwise its just one big empty house.
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insatiable
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Ultimate N00bidity
posted January 08, 2004 09:33 AM

well done guys- enjoy

very pretty outdoor too..
outdoor,,indoor or however it called  


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the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted January 08, 2004 10:51 AM

i had to look twice at the pictures to see the house , too ! very very nice, everything !

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hamsi128


Promising
Supreme Hero
tosser tavern owner
posted January 08, 2004 12:11 PM

great house

portal of glory.. earth version; now time to be father

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Tc_Fear


Famous Hero
posted January 08, 2004 01:37 PM

looks like its made from plastic..
no fear of earthquakes

kinda too big.how much square metres?guess about200



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posted January 08, 2004 04:10 PM

Dont hold back you have enough for 10+ kids .
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Promising
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box worshipper
posted January 08, 2004 05:04 PM

You dont have to wait !!!!

You dont have to wait for Mel to finish med school for a kid.

Lucky for you both, I'm available for Adoption.


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vesuvius

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Honor Above all Else
posted January 09, 2004 07:55 AM

yo

Started working in fast food jobs starting age 15.
Worked in McDonalds, Burger King, Haagen Dazs, Baskin Robbins, Montreal Arcades, And even like one of those 'mexican' guys cutting grass and trimming trees.

I owned my first car when I was 25 years old.

I went through school, nonstop, to dental school without ever a semester or a year off.  That means 10 years of higher education right of high school.

Finally graduated at 28, doing dentistry at 29.

At 31 (a year ago) I still could not afford to put a penny to retirement.

Nobody gave me the red carpet boyz, I just worked for it.  Some of you might know of the other websites I run, but this is what matters: Even to this day, I'm on the computer, 6-12 hours a day, sometimes 7 days a week supporting my websites, along with 2 days a week of dentistry.  And I will not turn into an obese slob either:  Arizona has good weather, so 5 days in the gym, 2 days hiking camelback mountain.

Moving out of doing dentistry for pay, and started volunteer dentistry in a childrens' hospital two months ago.

I think anyone if they want to, can move their asses and get somewhere.  As long as you don't die in some freak accident, or from some odd disease, you can get there.  Problem is, people are inherently lazy, especially here in the US.  Hence why in all my businesses, I do everything myself. Everything. It burns they eyes out of the sockets, but everyone else seems to take 10 times as long to do the same thing right (or wrong for that matter).

Right now my combined income with my wife is about $140,000 a month, and growing.  And I will continue to work my ass off.

Ok I ranted, and got it off my chest.
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posted January 13, 2004 04:38 AM

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You said i havent got idea how hard is to become doctor but do you know that many people never go to doctor cause they not trust to them? Do you know that doctors make mistakes and even make vrong diagnosises, our medicine is not perfect so that make me think it is not education cause you learn how to cure people but tommorow you will be need cure yourself cause of your low knowledge, you know that some people able to cure people with medical grass but other doctors says need to do operation.So before to declre this is education you need to know many other things cause that what you call education can be just low knowledge.



"Doctors make mistakes so therefore they are not educated."

Wow, that's a new one.  So you're basically saying that anything short of infallibility means idiocy?  

What do you call education?  Regurgitating Plato?  Swooning over Kant?  Or is education just sitting by yourself bashing everybody else and then patting yourself on the back about how enlightened and wise you are?

I am not in medical school, but I work with a number of people who either are in medical school or have completed medical school and it is anything but "just memorization."  A single cell is incredibly complicated, and when you put as many of them together as a human being is, it becomes an insanely complex object.  Being able to diagnose when something goes wrong and to be able to even attempt to correct the problem or even mitigate it requires not only knowing a huge number of facts but being able to integrate them as well.  Being able to memorize something may not be a sign of brilliance, but not memorizing something isn't a sign of brilliance either.  Memorization is involved in medical school but only because if you don't know the facts, you can't make connections between them and understand how interactions between the little details you had to memorize can lead to problems on the large scale.

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Professional photograf? That is not education. Teeth doctor? That is not education too.


I'm sort of surprised that everybody jumped on the second part of this statement but not the first.  What, you think you can be a professional photographer by buying a disposable camera and just pointing it at things you think look neat?  Do you know how to utilize depth of field to accent your subject or put them in the context of a background?  Do you know how to use fill flash to eliminate harsh shadows on a face?  Do you know how to compensate for the reflectivity of water if you're taking a picture of a swimmer?  Do you know how to make lighting look natural?  And that's just the technical part of it.  You think composition is just pointing and shooting?   It's not.  Photography is an art form just like painting or sculpture.  That's why Ansel Adams and Avedon and Leibowitz get exhibitions in the MET while all those black and white pictures of somebodies friend standing against a tree looking all deep and mystical (or at least, looking like they have gas) that get turned in during Freshmen Photography 101 end up in the trash can.

I hope you live up to your standards of what it means to be "educated."  I hope you find "high" knowledge, since clearly "low" knowledge isn't good enough.  Really, I do.  I'd hate to think your going to just be one of those people who sits in his parents' basement talking about how stupid and useless everybody else and never do anything at all with their lives other than ridicule and criticize people who at least got out there and tried.
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posted January 14, 2004 06:55 PM

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You said i havent got idea how hard is to become doctor but do you know that many people never go to doctor cause they not trust to them? Do you know that doctors make mistakes and even make vrong diagnosises, our medicine is not perfect so that make me think it is not education cause you learn how to cure people but tommorow you will be need cure yourself cause of your low knowledge, you know that some people able to cure people with medical grass but other doctors says need to do operation.So before to declre this is education you need to know many other things cause that what you call education can be just low knowledge.



"Doctors make mistakes so therefore they are not educated."

Wow, that's a new one.  So you're basically saying that anything short of infallibility means idiocy?  

What do you call education?  Regurgitating Plato?  Swooning over Kant?  Or is education just sitting by yourself bashing everybody else and then patting yourself on the back about how enlightened and wise you are?

I am not in medical school, but I work with a number of people who either are in medical school or have completed medical school and it is anything but "just memorization."  A single cell is incredibly complicated, and when you put as many of them together as a human being is, it becomes an insanely complex object.  Being able to diagnose when something goes wrong and to be able to even attempt to correct the problem or even mitigate it requires not only knowing a huge number of facts but being able to integrate them as well.  Being able to memorize something may not be a sign of brilliance, but not memorizing something isn't a sign of brilliance either.  Memorization is involved in medical school but only because if you don't know the facts, you can't make connections between them and understand how interactions between the little details you had to memorize can lead to problems on the large scale.

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Professional photograf? That is not education. Teeth doctor? That is not education too.


I'm sort of surprised that everybody jumped on the second part of this statement but not the first.  What, you think you can be a professional photographer by buying a disposable camera and just pointing it at things you think look neat?  Do you know how to utilize depth of field to accent your subject or put them in the context of a background?  Do you know how to use fill flash to eliminate harsh shadows on a face?  Do you know how to compensate for the reflectivity of water if you're taking a picture of a swimmer?  Do you know how to make lighting look natural?  And that's just the technical part of it.  You think composition is just pointing and shooting?   It's not.  Photography is an art form just like painting or sculpture.  That's why Ansel Adams and Avedon and Leibowitz get exhibitions in the MET while all those black and white pictures of somebodies friend standing against a tree looking all deep and mystical (or at least, looking like they have gas) that get turned in during Freshmen Photography 101 end up in the trash can.

I hope you live up to your standards of what it means to be "educated."  I hope you find "high" knowledge, since clearly "low" knowledge isn't good enough.  Really, I do.  I'd hate to think your going to just be one of those people who sits in his parents' basement talking about how stupid and useless everybody else and never do anything at all with their lives other than ridicule and criticize people who at least got out there and tried.



First of all my last messages are deleted as well as other messages and i found it is hard to make dialog with people who cant listen, but i will post on other forums about Vesuvius dictature statment, and about photografy maybe you know academic Vernandski he never liked to make photografy and he didnt like photgrafers this job does not produce any resurses and people was living before very well without photografy but in our novadays nearly everyone wants to become photografer or  movie artist or pop singer it looks like soon we will have only photografers,movie artists, pop singers and no farmers or very little amount of them and after that what will you eat? As i said before you can make everything also very complicate but will it be so productive? And i tthink photografer isnt that job that should be pay big money or resurses for it.

Vesuvius or moderator of this forum just disliked or something from my last messages and i think it is not right btw i posted about new house if you dont like something it is your problem try to make good arguments but just deleting showing you cant defend well and dont have arguments at all. It is just a shame for you

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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted January 15, 2004 04:42 AM

You & what army .
I stand alooone but I am superior because I am so ocerconfident in my selfffff.
My nose is up in the aiiir, smelling the viles of acid,even tho mu head is pointing straight aheaaad.
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Prince_Legolas
Prince_Legolas

Bad-mannered

posted January 27, 2004 01:41 AM

Here is some things about education.  

Do you know the historical moment when Philat asked question <<what>> is the truth?By this  he showed very well  to where came  all ancient idea at least idea that had place in the rome impire time. Idea about what is the truth.Skepsis at the end so spread  the human consciousness that philosofy idea came to the conclusion that talk about truth is useless.The Ancient Sofists ( means wise mans) showed by they work that every confirmation is possible to refute and every idea is possible to proove. What is in that way the truth?The question of Philat quite answered for the spirit of his time.He didnt intend that truth is not <<what>>
but <<who>>.That didnt know the idea of the ancient greece  not  generallly the ancient idea.But by intuition it was in sobconscious, all humanity was religious and religious means admit the existence of god but if admit the existence of god doesnt that mean the truth is <<who>>? I repeat Philat didnt know that.

You know that is difference between Rational and Sensible mind, like is diference between Logos and Nus it is  two  of greece concepts that possible to translate equally like mind.When come question about searching of Sensible mind by this means not simple rational work, means something more wide and deep, sensible mind including not only thinking but also that big region of human living that is connected directly with sense and perception.What is rational mind?For example now is computers and easy to determine rational mind it is computer facultyes, it is that iron from wich is taken facultyes of logic thinking and logic operations. Sensible mind is something different, sensible mind including heart in the hearth is organ of cognition.And how rich that organ of cognition  i think everyone of you  have about it some expirience.

By this what i want to say? We can look what is the way to find truth of  Rational mind and what is the ways of Sensible mind.What do we intend by this?  From one side we intend  cleary  thinking work in finding the truth and from other side we intend finding itself nature of human,soul of human, which is trying to find truth, truth means meaning of life. We didnt trying to find truth like something abstract meaning but every human interesting to find  why do i live?what is the meaning of my life?When i something doing and  someone asking  me why you doing this? I will explain why i am doing this.But why do i live? It is maybe look strange but quite often this question is slip away from our consciousness.The Elephant i didnt recognize how often it happens


So what is the way of rational mind in finding the truth?Those ways  in they basic form is two. It is way of philosofy first and way of the science second.Oldest that give to us history it is way of philosfy idea, way of philosofy searching,you must understand that it is not only rational work it is ofcourse connected with soul of human but how in main way it is work? Thats why i call it  way of rational mind. What is the way of philosofy searching?First it is the big history, history that still continue in our days.History that known from one side in ( i dont know that word in english but it is mans who learning history of religion, explaining many things in religion and so on. I think it is Godspeacking in english) by termine << natural cognition of the god >> what is naturaly belong to human, what is natúraly proceed from human.From other side it means something like those evasions of human thinking wich we can see in region of philosofy and in region of religious consciousness known by name Pagan or ( Paganity). But both meet in one, Natural searching of truth the very sincere and those mistakes wich has place in region of Pagan religious consciousness, both shows  on what run into our human thinking on which limits. Once in ancient time didnt know about those limits and after this question become interesting.And found this interesting <<picture>>, first was thinking that human thinking can comprehend all and truth herself in philosofy was understanding like a product of clear thinking, truth  at the last it is that  idea that we can have about main point of things.What is the truth if primetively try to explain? It is what is !But what is ?!For example  chair now is but i start to talk about Napoleon and express my emotions and break this chair, someone will say to me Napoleon is great but why to break chair?But chair will be gone and i will say what kinda truth is this? If it is exists and not exists.It means truth it is something which exists everytime.Was talking different is world wich exists everytime and is world of things wich is always changes and for that he never exists, he never is!And if from that point to come understand what is truth we will find  that truth it is what always exists, what is fundament of all existence.Understanding of that will give possibility  to human unite with this  constancy with this existence.And by this human himself will find laws of cognition of existence, laws of investigation of existence will become  himself eternal.What is exist eternal is goodness and unite with this exist eternity is goodness for human too for that reason.So what we can say about philosofy way of searching truth?Maybe something interesting if not  touch history of philosofy thinking   is that this way of searching truth  not give  result that want achieve philosofy.

It was prooved matematicly in 20 centry, but earlier was also  enought facts doubt in philosofy truth.I Said before about Sofists who was able to proove anything and refute anything, and by this humans dissapointed in possibility to find truth, but also they didnt know other thing, maybe it is our thinking on this moment not enought?!And  maybe we will find other ways , rational ways, and will come to cognition of the truth?!But in real ,situation is other!In 18 centry  with this question was working Kant in his Critic of Clear Mind he very clear showed limits of philosofy knowledge, limits of the clear mind. His basic idea was  the point of things is hidden, things are not comprehend , we comprehend only phenomenons,appearances of things,but not the things themsels.And those phenomenons isnt the reality , but is something other in generall not reflectable reality. To this came Kant it was 18 centery.


Now i want to look in 20 centry.Philosofy cognition  it is rational cognition like i said before, and rational cognition  like a rule based on  two fundamental things, on concepts or words and on logic ( laws of the point ),how produced concepts? Here is one of those water stones on wich break philosofy thinking, The idea is that  at the last all our words or concepts come from Imperic world from our imaginations, i saw blue grass..., i saw blue water...., i saw blue sky...., and after i say  there is blue flower ! Human never saw it but he know what is blue , produced concept <<blue >> Now it is clear if someone once saw what is blue he wil know what it is when to him say for example blue ball!It means concepts come from the world of  contact, from the world of contact human with things!Concepts are different, is conrecte, is general,at the last is categoryes mostly general.But what is the secret here, interesting point?All those concepts at the last taken from this Imperic reality ( from our earth reality) or at least  become full of this reality, it means if  talk figurative they are trihedral ( dunno if it is translated right but i think you will understand) taken from this trihedral world !But all of them cannot be definite, definited to the end. Everytime is possible other description and so  different descriptions that we dont know how to be.For example take word aesthetics it was define  many times by many variants that i dont know what to answer what is aesthetics?! Another concept Logos if you will look in dictionary of Dvorecki you will find 34  descriptions and in each description several more so who can say what is Logos?! It is Examples! Of What?! How our concepts not definite, not definited! Gizenberg one of the creators of quantom mechanic was writing: Since meanings of all concepts and words not define, we will never with way of rational thinking come to the absolute truth!If you look in philosfy terminology you you will find that there is hard to understand cause concepts is not define. And from this totality of not definite concepts wich use philosofy coming attempt to come to cognition of something definite!Is it possible to be in our consciousness something definite if our fundament based on not definite concepts?! It is first water stone and cleary seen that make us doubt in philosofy at least in her conclusions ! Is one more and more dramatical!
I will write about it next time and also about science i took it from lecture of Professor of Moscow Spiritual Academy Aleksei Ilich Osipov, text i translated my self maybe i not explained many things well but i hope it will be understandable cause this man also talk understandable on my own language and he very clear explain things.

So it is first part of education i want you to show in hope you will learn something about science in wich you believe next time i will translate second water stone on wich break philosofy and about science.



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posted January 27, 2004 01:55 AM

Here on after whoever actually gives a BEEP, post it here after mine cause sure ib heck dont .
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posted February 02, 2004 08:04 PM

Sweet! Fantastic taste -- thanks for the post. I concur: be aggressive and work you're *sses off boys and girls, it's worth it. Worth it for the way you live your life, not necessarily what you outwardly see as the monetary rewards.

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Prince_Legolas

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posted February 10, 2004 05:16 PM
Edited By: Prince_Legolas on 10 Feb 2004

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Sweet! Fantastic taste -- thanks for the post. I concur: be aggressive and work you're *sses off boys and girls, it's worth it. Worth it for the way you live your life, not necessarily what you outwardly see as the monetary rewards.

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It is not agressive Salpinx i am just saying what i think and i dont hate Vesuvius and i am not envy to him, but i wanted to say that what i see is not the meaning of life it can be meaning for a wile but it will become boring later, riches dont make you happy also if you have girl that doesnt mean you happy  it depens how you will build your life on wich moral principles, and i am sorry but i dont see those moral principles in  Vesuvius he cant answer cleary on many questions and even if you ask him something that he dont like, that will put shade on his hapiness he will just ignore you and push off in the  abyss, truly happy people love other people they dont know what is hate they soul open and the light coming from inside, i will first come with white flag and say i dont want to shoot in you and even if you shoot in me i will not hate you but i am telling you will not get anything and will not be statisfied if you shoot in me, all what you have is just for a wile maybe you think that i am immature or stupid or something other but i see life from different side, all what you have will be gone and pleasures that you take now doesnt give you anything and doesnt make you own anything, you want be popular ok but popularity also doesnt give you anything worth, this world only projection of immortal world, the only way like i think is to choose way of reconciliation to everything, forgive to people what they did, if someone saying that he is great of the greatest in something and wont even listen you if you say  to him it is shame to think so just live him alone anyway his grandeur will be for a wile and will not give him anything really worth. I am not on the side of terror but i am also not on the side of goverment wich make war as only a solution to resolve situation, I am also not on the side of capitalistic system i think  this lead people to the death destruction, and weapons only make more agression i better to surrender and let others to beat my flesh but i will not take weapon and will not help to make weapons.I am just happy i avoided war thing but i know it is not wise to be optimistic as not wise to be totall pessimistic and need to think about situation around you and prepair to meet death face to face without fear i hope that god will help me to do that cause human dont have enought strenght to suffer pain and torment.


If you know Scorpions music band here is some of they songs: Sometimes people can explain things what they think by mysic or art or poetry there is many  ways.


In the heat of the violence
The night's exploding everywhere
When hate pulls the trigger
The devil comes to take his share
In the garden of Eden
The time is running out so fast
Into heart of the demon
With no escape our die is cast

In the city of angels
Death is just a moment away
In the city of angels
Your future won't see the light of the day

Beware of the alien nation
Beware of the truth that they seek
They pray for eternal salvation
They pray for your soul to keep

On the eve of destruction
A reign of terror rules the street
When the heads start rolling
The devil comes to let it bleed

In the city of angels
Death is just a moment away
In the city of angels
Your future won't see the light of the day

Walk on past the alien nation
Walk on to the end of your reach
No fear of the alien nation
No fear of the hatred they preach

Don't run, there's no place to hide
Today or tomorrow it will get you
Don't move, the knife is right at your throat
And whatever you do, there's no way out
When the shroud comes down on this place
To bury us all alive
We'll know the time has come, to face the heat

Beware of the alien nation
Beware of the truth that they seek
They pray for eternal salvation
They pray for your soul to keep
Walk on past the alien nation
Walk on to the end of your reach
They pray for eternal damnation
They pray for your soul to keep

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The wise man said just walk this way
To the dawn of the light
The wind will blow into your face
As the years pass you by
Hear this voice from deep inside
It's the call of your heart
Close your eyes and your will find
The passage out of the dark

Here I am
Will you send me an angel
Here I am
In the land of the morning star

The wise man said just find your place
In the eye of the storm
Seek the roses along the way
Just beware of the thorns

Here I am
Will you send me an angel
Here I am
In the land of the morning star

The wise man said just raise your hand
And reach out for the spell
Find the door to the promised land
Just believe in yourself
Hear this voice from deep inside
It's the call of your heart
Close your eyes and your will find
The way out of the dark

Here I am
Will you send me an angel
Here I am
In the land of the morning star
Here I am
Will you send me an angel
Here I am
In the land of the morning star

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I'm still living for tomorrow
I'm living for today

Let's make this world
A better place to live
Start to take
Start to give

Love's got the power
To get it done
To stop the pain
Of a killing gun

And even if you say
We're gonna die today
I'm still living for tomorrow
I'm living for today
Cause love will find a way my friend
Whatever it will take
I'm still living for tomorrow
I'm living for today
Why don't we try today my friend
To make this world a better place

Let's make this life
A better life to live
Stop to hate
Learn to forgive
Even power can kill
The human race
If we gave life
A human face (a human face)

And even if you say
We're gonna die today
I'm still living for tomorrow
I'm living for today
Cause love will find a way my friend
Whatever it will take
I'm still living for tomorrow
I'm living for today
Why don't we try today my friend
To make this world a better place (a better place)

And even if you say
We're gonna die today
I'm still living for tomorrow
I'm living for today
Cause love will find a way my friend
Whatever it will take
I'm still living for tomorrow
I'm living for today
Why don't we try today my friend
To make this world a better place

I'm still living for tomorrow

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We don't own the world

We don't own the world

My world is your world
The air we breath, the stars we see
our journey called discovery
my time is your time
Your silent scream
Remains unheard
Humility is not just a word

We don't own the world (we don't)
We don't own the world (oh no)
We don't own the world (we don't own the world)

Your light is my light
The tears we cry, the joy we share
To love just means we really care
My dream is your dream
We could save the world
We could share so much
If we don't live like this no more

We don't own the world (we don't)
We don't own the world (we don't)
We don't own the world (oh no)
We don't own the world (we don't own the world)
We don't own the world (we don't own the world)
We don't own the world (oh no)

We don't...


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Let's spend the night together
I know you want it too
The magic of the moment
Is what I've got for you
The heartbeat of this night
Is made to lose control
And there is something in your eyes
That's longing for some more
Let us find together
The beat we're looking for

The rhythm of love
Keeps me dancing on the road
The rhythm of love
Got the groove that hits the bone
The rhythm of love
Is the game I'm looking for
The rhythm of love
Is the heartbeat of my soul

Let's reach the top together
One night will never do
An exploding shot of pleasure
Is what I've got for you
Why don't you close your eyes
And let your feeling grow
I make you feel the taste of life
Until your love will flow
Let us find together
The beat we're longing for

The rhythm of love
Keeps me dancing on the road
The rhythm of love
Got the groove that hits the bone
The ryhthm of love
Is the game I'm looking for
The rhythm of love
Is the heartbeat of my soul

Let us find together
The beat we're looking for
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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted February 11, 2004 11:56 AM

snow, if ya want German metal, at least try Blind Guardian, Helloween, Rage or Kreator....

Jeez, Scorpions lol
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Lord_Woock
Lord_Woock


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
posted February 11, 2004 12:41 PM

Blind Guardian is German? O_O
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