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Chess Puzzles
here are some chess puzzles that i have found
this is one that my brother just tried on me and i found it very difficult and gave up quickly.
that will be the first puzzle to solve
Puzzle One
i will give you the setup of a board. u must achieve this exact setup within 4 moves. that is white moves 4 times and black moves 4 times. no more, no less. the only other rule is that all the moves must be legitimate. here is the setup
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posted November 09, 2005 06:29 AM |
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You're brother is messing with you. It's 3 or 4 moves for white and 3 moves for black.
1. e4 e5
2. Bc4 c5
3. Bxe5 dxe5
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posted November 09, 2005 06:41 AM |
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nice try but no cigar
it is possible, and the puzzle is to do it in 4 moves. it is easy to get it in 3 moves and 5 moves but u must get the board position in 4 moves. it is possible, i have seen the solution
if u think about it for some time u will realise something. this u can use to figure the puzzle out. i do not think that u have found this yet
fast facts: this took gary kasparov several minutes
keep trying guys
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posted November 21, 2005 10:41 PM |
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Do you have to make the moves alternating? Meaning black moves then white moves, then black moves, then white moves? Or can you do it in any random order of white moving and black moving?
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posted November 21, 2005 11:25 PM |
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Do you have to make the moves alternating? Meaning black moves then white moves, then black moves, then white moves? Or can you do it in any random order of white moving and black moving?
Hehe, that's what I came up with after 20 mins of thinking  "The ONLY other rule" made me think that there could be a trick to it I got a solution where black moves 2 times in a row followed by white moving 2 times in a row.
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posted November 22, 2005 06:06 AM |
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lol
stop cheating u guys. every move has to be legal. white then black, white then black, white then black and white then black, then u should be in that position
if u guys want o could give u whites first move
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posted November 22, 2005 06:58 AM |
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are you sure its 4 moves for black?
coz i cant see ANY possibility of black making 4 moves and getting to that position...
otherwise
e3 c6
Bc4 e6
Bxe6 dxe6
e4 ...
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posted November 22, 2005 07:13 AM |
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oh, did i right 4 moves, my mistake
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i know thats what u want to hear but its aint gonna happen. it is in 4 moves ppl. no more no less
keep in mind this wasnt meant to be easy. keep thinging guys
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posted November 22, 2005 09:18 PM |
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Ok, by elimination the only piece that can eat the black pawn is the white bishop.
There are 2 ways the two black pawns can be where they are now:
1) C and E just move forward (2 moves), in that case white bishop has to eat D pawn and another black piece has to eat the bishop and come back (2 more moves). There are 2 possibilities for the white bishop to eat the black pawn:
1a) Bxd5 - that requires 1 more move, which is bad
1b) Bxd7 - would be nice IF the white bishop could reach that spot, however by the time the white bishop can get there, that spot is already blocked by the 2 black pawns.
2) one of them is a front pawn that captured the white bishop.
2a) Bxe6 or bxc6 - requires exactly 3 pawn moves and eliminates the possibility of another black piece moving back and forth
2b) Bxc4 - would be nice IF black had 2 turns in a row, but as he said that is not allowed.
Did I exaust all valid possibilities?
The only other thing I can think of is that white and black did not have the standard lineup in the beginning (i.e. the black knight was in front, or smth like that.)
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posted November 22, 2005 09:33 PM |
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again, it is a normal game, no special positions for either black or white.
there is a vital piece of info that all of u should have found out by now
keep going guys
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posted November 23, 2005 03:06 AM |
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Well I'm not wasting my time on this thread anymore if you won't tell us some sort of hint. It's not possible as far as I'm concerned.
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posted November 23, 2005 04:32 AM |
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there is a vital piece of info that all of u should have found out by now
Im assuming you're referring to "taking en-passant"
but i still can't figure it out as of yet...
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posted November 23, 2005 07:06 AM |
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no its not that
the key thing that u should have figured out by now is that black must move a piece out and then back into its original position. otherwise black needs more than 4 moves to get to the shown position.
that is as far as i got with this puzzle
there is a big hint that i just gave u, hopefully it puts u on the right track
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posted November 23, 2005 09:08 AM |
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I already realized this. The problem is that it's not possible. I noticed this after like 5 seconds. The issue at hand is that when the one piece moves to and then back to its original position it must take the bishop. However before that the bishop must take a pawn first.
The problem is that if a pawn takes the bishop, then black must move a pawn three times making it impossible to move a piece back and forth. So bishop must take center pawn. But it can only do that on the third move. This means that black must move out the c and e pawns on the first two moves, blocking off the pawn at d7 from the bishop.
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posted November 23, 2005 09:26 AM |
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I already realized this. The problem is that it's not possible. I noticed this after like 5 seconds. The issue at hand is that when the one piece moves to and then back to its original position it must take the bishop. However before that the bishop must take a pawn first.
The problem is that if a pawn takes the bishop, then black must move a pawn three times making it impossible to move a piece back and forth. So bishop must take center pawn. But it can only do that on the third move. This means that black must move out the c and e pawns on the first two moves, blocking off the pawn at d7 from the bishop.
ahhh, now u are thinking. the bold part is key, what is in bold is all possible. there is a piece that can move back and forth and take the bishop at the same time
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posted November 23, 2005 12:52 PM |
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how is that possible?
it'll take 3 moves for the bishop, and in that time both pawns will have blocked the d pawn from being taken. if they werent ther the queen could take and move back...
but the pawns just ruin the whole thing
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posted November 23, 2005 04:30 PM |
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For f**k's sake!!! Are you even reading our posts? I've described this whole thing in details including that "important piece of info" that we "need to realize". FYI, most of us "realized" it after 5 seconds of thinking, and I think this fact's "importance" is not any more important as realizing that pawns move forward, that white moves first, and that this game is called chess. I've even described every possible combination, so here it goes again (I removed the other 3 possibilities except for the double move part):
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Ok, by elimination the only piece that can eat the black pawn is the white bishop.
There are 2 ways the two black pawns can be where they are now:
1) C and E just move forward (2 moves), in that case white bishop has to eat D pawn and another black piece has to eat the bishop and come back (2 more moves). There are 2 possibilities for the white bishop to eat the black pawn:
1b) Bxd7 - would be nice IF the white bishop could reach that spot, however by the time the white bishop can get there, that spot is already blocked by the 2 black pawns.
I have a strong feeling that you are just wasting our time, so I won't bother thinking any more.
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posted November 24, 2005 05:54 AM |
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Ok, by elimination the only piece that can eat the black pawn is the white bishop.
There are 2 ways the two black pawns can be where they are now:
1) C and E just move forward (2 moves), in that case white bishop has to eat D pawn and another black piece has to eat the bishop and come back (2 more moves). There are 2 possibilities for the white bishop to eat the black pawn:
1b) Bxd7 - would be nice IF the white bishop could reach that spot, however by the time the white bishop can get there, that spot is already blocked by the 2 black pawns.
i dont exactly now what to say to these theories of yours
1) true but that isnt not the way to get into this position so thats not it
1b) Bxd7, its possible
i am being very general because i feel that clues now will make the puzzle very easy.
i dont know what more to say. if u guys give up then say so, if u all give up then i will reveal the answer
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posted November 27, 2005 09:50 PM |
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It's been a month and I'm not gonna revive this thread again.
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posted November 28, 2005 06:10 AM |
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ok then
the solution is
(1)pawn to e4, pawn to e6
(2)bishop to b5, king to e7
(3)bishop takes pawn on d7, pawn moves to c6
(4)bishop to e8, king takes bishop
that is the solution, u had to move the king
i will post a new puzzle soon. that is a checkmate kinda one
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