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malkia
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posted October 09, 2001 11:48 AM |
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Talibans got destroyed Buda statues, because as islam being monotheistic religion don't approve idolarity.
Idols must be destroyed - that's for sure - and Buddha statues are being told as so.
The same goes for chrisitans and judaist - they also must destroy the idols.
When Mohamad with his uncle came back to Mecca from Medina after the long stay there - they've destroyed all the idols from the KAABA (the holy arabic-islam place) - built by Abraham and his first-born (but from slave woman) son - Ishamel - or also Ismael. This place is holly for islamic people (now it's in Saudi Arabia) - and I'm sure you've all seen it.
Same way I think, Solomon destroyed idols, and actually Abraham was the first one to destroy idols - his father was idolmaker and who was selling them (this must have happened 4000 years ago).
So Abraham destroyed all the idols which his father made, telling him that there are no gods in those idols - if there were - then he coulnd' been able to destroy them...
kind of like this - nice story - but now bad ending for all Budha's statues...
It's just that THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH!
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Milena
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posted October 09, 2001 11:55 AM |
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Well...
I said the taliban are sick people for all they see is religion and not ART. The Buddha statues are supposed to be masterpieces of art, don't you agree?
BTW, Sha_men, I have had the observation that we usually have different opinions on matters. I wouldn't call it an incident. :-)
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Sha_Men
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posted October 09, 2001 12:04 PM |
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Problem in todays world...
It's the same problem that always have been and also will always be part of human behaviour...
Is that people don't have any values outside their normal values. I think those Buddhist figures are part of human history and destroying them is like killing people who made them. If you would write a book for the future generations to read about whatever the book was about you would like it to be existent in the future, wouldn't you?
For me destroying cultural pieces (especially old) are attacks towards what humans are. Fundamentals usually deny the existent of other values. For them there aren't any outside values only those that are good or bad. For me world is grey but I see that some of the values like letting cultural masterpieces to exist doesn't hurt anyone so I don't find any reason to destroy them.
Who knows maybe I'm also at the sametime denying their values by saying they shouldn't destroy them.
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Shae_Trielle
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posted October 09, 2001 04:14 PM |
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Maybe they are pieces of art
Or maybe, to the Taliban, they are offensive pieces of artwork that do not reflect spiritual holiness, but rather, a primitive practice of idolatry. And when you are deeply religious in everything you do, and you are trying to lead your country into the same sort of spiritual lifestyle that you lead, then distractions, such as idols of foreign religions, have no place in your holy land. As such, they are destroyed.
The Taliban seem to have a short fuse for tolerance and infidels and are trying to create a land that is free from foreign yoke and completely utterly under their unyielding control. I can see why they destroyed the statues of the Buddha.
Can you?
-Shae Trielle
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posted October 09, 2001 06:55 PM |
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the taliban are sick messed up [insert bad word here]
and yeah, deleting a thread with long complex and well-thought-out posts would be rude, but that was not the case with the one you deleted the other day, and that is not the case with this one - well, at least not until people started talking about the taliban. 
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Milena
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posted October 09, 2001 07:19 PM |
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I'm inclined to agree with Sha_men
Artifacts are valuable and as long as they are treated as part of the history, they have to be kept. It's all about being humans. Humans are differ from animals because of 2 features. 1. The choice. People are the only creatures given a reasonable choice. Eg. the terrorists who knew they were going to die and still made the crash in the WTC. It's against the laws of nature. It's a matter of choice. 2. Empathy. Only a feature of true humans. The ability to understand the others and feel for them.
Result of 2 feature: if you don't want others to harm your faith, don't harm other people's faith. The taliban didn't think about it all. ARe the humans? OK, I'm going to shut up now.
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Sha_Men
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posted October 09, 2001 07:37 PM |
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Sorry I disagree now :)...
Humans are animals. Period.
We are no better and we have no "Upper hand" and we aren't any "chosen ones" of God. We are just animals called humans. We are different from many animals (like dog is from shark) but we are close to some animals.
But that doesn't happen ruin the idea that we have history. That says what we are. Those Buddha statues were pieces of culture.
I have not said Talibans are sick messed up people. They have their own values but I think people in 21th century should have left those things in the previous centure.
It's sad to see those things still exist.
I understand what they did it's just I would never do the same.
(Like if I would take over Islamist country I wouldn't be destroying their pieces of culture. But I'm not fundamentalist unless I am considered fundamentalist what comes to take care of our "shared" history)
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Milena
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posted October 09, 2001 07:44 PM |
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I didn't say people are NOT animals
And just like sharks are different from dogs- because they dwell in the water- people are different from all other species because of what I said.
I hope it's clear now. :-)
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Lith-Maethor
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posted October 09, 2001 07:54 PM |
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I have to dissagree with you lass...
...humans are NOT animals... animals adapt to their environment... humans change their surroundings to our pleasure and comfort...
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Milena
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posted October 09, 2001 08:04 PM |
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Why aren't we animals?
We eat, drink water, breathe, create offspring and die. We ARE animals. But as for the spirital part, we are not animals. This is what I was trying to say to Sha_men.
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Zud
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posted October 09, 2001 08:06 PM |
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not part of the discussion, but making a point
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...humans are NOT animals... animals adapt to their environment... humans change their surroundings to our pleasure and comfort...
so what do you call it when an amimal burrows a hole for a home, or a bird builds a next or a bee builds a hive...ect. ect. that is adapting to environment? I think it is more like changing their surroundings to their pleasure and comfort.
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Milena
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posted October 09, 2001 08:09 PM |
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so what do you call it when an amimal burrows a hole for a home, or a bird builds a next or a bee builds a hive...ect. ect. that is adapting to environment? I think it is more like changing their surroundings to their pleasure and comfort.
Nicely put, Zud! As my friend likes saying, laziness is the driving force of progress. LoL
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Lith-Maethor
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posted October 09, 2001 08:10 PM |
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maybe but I've never seen a beaver building a dam big enough to create a lake, a fox burning the woods or bees building a gigantic city... all animal dwellings are one with nature...
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Milena
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posted October 09, 2001 08:28 PM |
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maybe but I've never seen a beaver building a dam big enough to create a lake, a fox burning the woods or bees building a gigantic city... all animal dwellings are one with nature...
*follows the discussiona and chuckles* Well, I really can't imagine a chicken being able to lift weights... *imagines a
chicken lifting weights and roflmao*
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Zud
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posted October 09, 2001 08:42 PM |
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Well, I really can't imagine a chicken being able to lift weights
obviously you have never seen some of the guys at my gym
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Preserver
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posted October 09, 2001 08:50 PM |
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The big difference...
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Humans are animals. Period.
Humans know they are going to die, animals do not (or atlest they don't think about it).
But yes, they are animals...
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Milena
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posted October 09, 2001 08:50 PM |
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obviously you have never seen some of the guys at my gym
Don't mention the word "gym". I was in the guy yesterday and when I went back home, I found out I had lost my voice!! And gee, this backpain. *shakes head* 3 bucks for a desease! LoL
BTW, what are the guys at your gym like?
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Sha_Men
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posted October 10, 2001 05:55 AM |
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Just that...
that we have well develop brains and we have have hands that allow us change our improvement greatly doesn't mean we aren't animals.
It's just human way of thinking that we are "above others". Maybe we have to think that way or otherwise we would be killing other people and we shouldn't be killing someone from same race. But wait a minute...aren't we doing it right now?...
And yes it seems I agree with Milena in this issue kinda. But spiritual way is just that we have brains that can handle this kind of information and most animals don't have that kinda way. So we are religious animals. Isn't that nice?
I don't really want to talk about human/animal being different or same I was just making point to Milena but it seems I was wrong.
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Nimrod_The_D...
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posted March 06, 2004 01:57 PM |
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and my intention was to delete this one tomorrow. The guys claimed one couldn't delete a topic if s/he has started it.
uhm... u forgot!
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posted July 24, 2004 09:25 AM |
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I used to be able to delete threads.
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