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posted November 12, 2001 02:08 PM |
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Okay, seeing as Wyvern copped the short end of the stick from Aranha, I think I'll try my hand at judging the eight legged spider.
You started off as a thoughtful poster Arachnid, once upon a time you had interesting things to say and I really enjoyed reading your posts. But somewhere along the way, your cynicism got the better of you and your posts grew shorter and less contentious. You began to use humour as a defence and sarcasm as a form of offence and now sadly, your posts consist of almost all the latter. I wonder what happened to you?
*smile*
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posted November 12, 2001 08:30 PM |
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Sorry Shae...
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your cynicism got the better of you and your posts grew shorter and less contentious. You began to use humour as a defence and sarcasm as a form of offence and now sadly, your posts consist of almost all the latter.
Don't get offended...
But that's how I thought about you when I have read some of your message in the past. Only that your message were far longer.
We all might go there for moment and then come back with some interesting post. I can say that I'm pretty lazy nowadays really post something with meaning I just quickly launch some joke along with some words to relax people. I think it's all about coming of HoMMIV and also that this community is more concentrated right now into Man-Woman relationships than anything else. Tavern changes soon from "Have some ale, tell us your story" to "Have some syrup and tell how's your relationship going"...
As Arachnid have said himself...he has find himself good spot in the community and he don't want to give up of it. Everyone has their role here. Some have more than just one role and have more variety in their posts...
There are some posters that I wait post more meaningless posts. Don't want to name anyone particular.
I felt before that RMS had great potential and now he has sometimes written some long but also thoughtful posts. I think he has probably got more confidence after he started as moderator.
I don't know does Arachnid take it as compliment if I say that I laugh to most of his messages. At least it's meant as compliment and there isn't really good humour never enough in this forum as long as we don't all end up being Arachnids.
"There is living little Arachnid inside every community member but there is only one true Arachnid."
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posted November 12, 2001 09:43 PM |
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I think it's all about coming of HoMMIV and also that this community is more concentrated right now into Man-Woman relationships than anything else. Tavern changes soon from "Have some ale, tell us your story" to "Have some syrup and tell how's your relationship going"..."
Oh, Sha. I hope you didn't mean it serious. I almost took offense. *muses* Maybe my breaking and shocking news' idea wasn't that good after all. *is sad* :'-O
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posted November 13, 2001 02:52 AM |
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...is it definate that whenever anyone posts a short or long post, that it's going to be something that isn't worth reading?
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Shae_Trielle
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posted November 13, 2001 05:41 AM |
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I have always been this way, Sha, ever since I first came here. I don't expect anyone to be all serious and stuff all the time, but I think it's pretty sad to see people who obviously have it in them go the way of the dodo bird, lol.
Maybe I just miss all of Aranha's good posts, but then again maybe I don't. We're all allowed to rest and joke and post silly stuff, but to do it ALL the time grows tiresome (I see you're all getting sleepy!). I don't know about you but I couldn't live with the reputation of being a non-thinker and a flippant poster all the time.
Can you?
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posted November 13, 2001 05:53 AM |
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I usually post serious in the other forums, but I find it hard to post much that is serious in the tavern, since most of the threads are random silliness anyway.
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posted November 13, 2001 12:33 PM |
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So... There is change in Personality? A member can have one personality in the beginning and then create another, very different? If this is his real personality, it should only develop and not become different. If this happens, however, then the person plays a role...
Who should we judge? The real member or the actor?
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Milena
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posted November 13, 2001 12:54 PM |
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Quote:
So... There is change in Personality? A member can have one personality in the beginning and then create another, very different? If this is his real personality, it should only develop and not become different. If this happens, however, then the person plays a role...
Who should we judge? The real member or the actor?
We are all actors here, my friend, and we choose to play different roles. We are not like out true selves. here we can choose to be what we WANT to be. If you are shy and needed to know how to talk to people, you can easily create a very open online persona and they will think you're what you're not indeed. But on the other hand, you may also want to stick on your true self and make a shy profile, reacting like yourself. It's not hard at all.
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posted November 13, 2001 03:28 PM |
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...gee, and I always thought that I was just being myself...you've sure showed me what's what 
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posted November 13, 2001 03:42 PM |
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Dear Shae...
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I don't know about you but I couldn't live with the reputation of being a non-thinker and a flippant poster all the time.
Can you?
No, as I have need for reputation.
My words are as truthful as they can be.
I say what I feel I need to say.
Nothing else I care about.
And if that gives me certain "reputation" I can't do heck about it. Those who know at least bit of me here (I wish there are few out there) they will understand why I said somethings. If those people don't understand I can always try to make them understand as I respect them and I believe it's important keep those relations in shape.
And I agree that it's better do something else too than post just jokes. That can make you clown and who wants to be the clown? But it's everybody's own choice.
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posted November 13, 2001 03:56 PM |
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[Hexa puts on his rednose]
Can LIKE I be the clown!@
LMAO
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Wyvern
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posted November 14, 2001 12:34 AM |
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I agree with RMS. I also thought that I'm my true self but since you say, Milena... Really, are you sure that everyone acts? Aren't there people who show their real personality? Of course you can play but it's not an obligation - it's a possibility and I hope that not everyone does it. And I think that however good you play, there are times when your real personality shows... As Hercule Poirot says, "People can't always lie! It's easier to tell the truth so they will do that!" Of course, if you make long posts regularly, somewhere in them we can really find the real Milena (or another person). So the completely different image that you talk about is just not possible.
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posted November 14, 2001 01:32 AM |
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Personality? Do I have Personality?
Opppss ....
Judging by Wyvern's judgement Djive's more or less a monster Witch hectoring poor wayward community members by killing their posts and dissecting them... 
... she writes long posts making community members stiff with boredom and there's a danger of them yawning and falling of the chair of sheer tiredness...
... fortunately she seems to have some more redeeming features as well, although they seem to be few and skimpily told ...
To comment on the he/she thing...
Djive is a witch, thus she is female. Call her something else and she'll zap you into a slimy Toad for three days. (Just ask Darion!!!)
Djive will call anyone by the sex of their Avatar unless she knows the person want to be called by the other sex.
About the '=>' feature and all the commenting / criticizing. I'm seriously considering cutting down on it. This was not the way I intended Djive to appear ... *sniffle*
Oh, great.... What am I doing right now??? Well, I assume one more post in the same way won't make all that much of a difference.
You can create an Avatar or alias with several different intentions in mind.
One way is to create it to reflect, develop and boost your own personality. (This would be common for people who are young and are creating themselves an identity, and it's also the option that requires the least thought so it would be the most common also for older members.)
Another way is to create it as something new and fresh because you want to try something new, and you want to start with a fresh slate. (In this case you'd want to RP your character in some way or other.)
A third approach would be if you want to create an alias which reflects your personality in a different way. For instance the alias can have vices or virtues that you yourself don't think you have, or it would never occur to you to try to get them in real life. That is the alias is in some way either complementing your real life personality (acting as a guardian and advisor of some sort), while at the same time the personality of your alias is in fact in opposition to the character of your RL self.
Of course in some cases the alias would be chosen in some other way, but these are the more common approaches I can think of.
In all cases, however, some parts of your real personality will show. In the first case it's obvious because you're being 'yourself'.
In the second case this happens because it's you who give life and breath to the RP:ed character, it therefore follows that it will use your experiences when it says something, and when you build it up it will inevitably lend some aspects of your real personality.
In the third case the resulting alias is taking a lot from your own personality so it will show to some degree in what you post. Mind you it may be very difficult for others to say which qualities are from the 'alternate self' and which are from the RL person.
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Shae_Trielle
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posted November 14, 2001 02:18 AM |
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Djive is a she??
God why doesn't anyone TELL ME these things!!!
(hiya Djive!)
Firstly, your post is pretty spot on, people either create a persona which they will act the teeth out of, be themselves or try to be the perfect self. Option 1 and 3 of course, are very similar and very difficult to do. Like Milena has always said, your deeds will betray the lie, but it's pretty obvious who RP's their character and who doesn't on this board. Milena has always openly admitted this, Sha likes to say that he's a lot more peaceful and reserved in real life too.
I've always tried to be myself here and lately I've come to realize that being just me isn't as easy as it looks. The depth of who people are, cannot possibly be expressed in a million posts on this board. Words can never define a person, never define how they look, how they really smile or laugh or how they frown and feel when upset or happy.
And so we're all stuck with distorted parodies of ourselves to some degree. Those parodies are intermixed with some truths, characteristics that people recognize from a post. Some people are a little more transparent than others, other's are as hard to read as a closed book.
I like to think that people here know me a bit better than they think, but oftentimes I've been told that I'm a completely different person away from the board. When I play heroes with Zud or email Sha or talk to Incubus via IM. Meld the two impressions you get and I think you can create a picture that's two thirds of what I am.
As for the last third, well that third for everyone often lies in the past. You childhood, your years as a teenager and what it's like to try and find your place in the real world. Obviously there is very little discussion about these sorts of personal things going on here because we all find it pretty unnecessary to learn about 'tales of my mother and father'.
We all suffer from schitzophrenia to some degree I think. We have different personalities for different occaisions, for interaction with different people. Around our parents, we are a certain kind of person. Around our friends, our personality changes. Around lovers and boyfriends we behave in another way too.
When we are around boyfriends/girlfriends, I think we tend to show our real selves. These are the people that are closest to us at most times (even closer than our parents) and we often feel safe in their judgement and so tell them things that few other people would ever know about you. If you watch a friend and her behaviour around her boyfriend, any idiot can see that her behaviour is clearer. It's probably the real her you're seeing, although she'll deny it afterwards.
When people are with lovers, it's the only time they feel truly comfortable being judged because in all relationships there's such a heavy emphasis on open and outright honesty. Sure, some guys are cheats and liars (grrr) but YOU as an outsider, watching them interact with their partners will have the knowledge to know how much they cheat and lie and so therefore, you can see more of their real selves than can their own partner.
Think about it!
*smile*
PS: I just bought myself a nice leather couch for those of you who are willing to lie down...
PPS: Now don't anyone tell me that Djive is a he okay?
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posted November 14, 2001 02:39 AM |
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(hiya Shae!)
About the sex of my alias, Djive, I believe you've read threads where it's fairly obvious that the alias is female. (Milena's Alias hunting for instance.)
And obviously, if I pick the Witch Merist to represent my alias then that means to me that for the purpose of this board I'm a female witch.
This doesn't mean that the RL me is female, and it doesn't mean I'm male either. I'm simply not playing my RL-self for this board, but rather RP-ing a character called Djive which I created some years ago. (On the other hand, the RL me will show in one way or other in Djive's personality, as explained in the previous posts. This is not really something I can control, but something which will happen even if I should desire otherwise.)
And if anyone dare call me 'he', I'll zap them into slimy toads.
*winks*
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posted November 14, 2001 03:51 AM |
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...well I believe in telling the truth...even at times, when it appears more convenient to tell a lie, or cover the truth, it'll usually just come back to haunt you in the long run...there are very few instances that I'de agree that it's a good idea to actulaly "lie" about something...and no, there is no possible way to totally define someone else, or even yourself...even if you think you know yourself as well as you can, or you believe that about someone else, something it going to surprise you sooner or later...there is no way to explain something like that...it is only something that you can experience...and even after that you may never fully come to understand...this of course includes the fact that you can only truly ever experience being yourself, no matter what you may do to yourself.
...if you want to pretend to be someone else, or try something new, and it's all in good taste, I have nothing against that...but still, no matter what, you're still being yourself...there is absolutely no way to change that...even if you make adjustments, and as everyone eventualyl does, you change in some ways throughout the years, there's no way to escape the fact that you're still who you are...
"If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything."
...if you want to be "reborn" into another body or whatever, that might not be such a bad thing, but don't try to be in denial that you can't truly change who you are like that...it takes time to adjust, especially to somehting that you can't fully understand...no is no way to constantly try to hide your true identity from everyone else...accept the fact that you are still in essence the same person, but turning a new leaf...be true to yourself, and you will do all the good in the world that you possibly can for yourself...do not lie about things that aren't important...don't live another's life if you don't feel comfortable with it...sooner or later, someone's going to break the ice, and your mask is going to slip...no matter what pains you may go to take, someone is bound to notice...even if the only one appears to be yourself...do not decieve yourself to believe somthing else...just be honest to yourself, and in that itself, you can be happy...
"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
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posted November 14, 2001 03:55 AM |
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"The object of the superior man is truth."
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Sha_Men
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posted November 14, 2001 10:53 AM |
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RL vs. Forum appearance
Quote from Shae:
"Sha likes to say that he's a lot more peaceful and reserved in real life too."
Tell you the truth I'm many times more nicer here in board than in real life. But it's not so easy to say. I only sometimes get into situations in RL where my more aggressive site takes control.
Maybe my characteristic have more changes here in board.
When you write message even one word can mean change from one extreme to other. So people trying to understand you cannot possible see the normal self but only the words that go from war to peace in five seconds. That confuses people and their image about others is hard to define.
In some boards I have kinda acted something else maybe "the roleplay" is good word for it. Deep inside I have known what I am. It's been only act to fire the place up so people can have little fun and of course it has depended on site.
Here...I have been more myself than any other place. I don't know am I nice or what I am to the people here in board. I don't speak so much in RL. I could but I just don't as I think it's best to speak when I have really something to say. Maybe I just don't have enough chances in RL. I much rather write also. I'm here because I find my place to say really something people who try to understand what I'm saying. Maybe it matters, or not.
Shae said I'm most misunderstood in one award thread...She was so right. Whatever I write and I believe in the end it has nothing to do with my english...people understand it wrongly. There are some who understand me way better than others. Maybe I have talked them through IM more, don't know...
Deepness of human character is really amazing and we should know that if we would write books about ourselves there wouldn't enough lifetime to do that so we could cover everything (unless you use that all time writing those books so there isn't really anything to tell, is there?)...and still people could understand we completely wrongly.
Basics of communication are pretty easy but what we really know about each other...is another thing.
We don't know each other and it's best to think that way.
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posted November 14, 2001 01:10 PM |
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The problem, I think, is that we can learn a lot of things about someone but we won't know which of the features are real and which are played... How to decide that? For example, if someone writes in one way for a long time and suddenly says something that is completely different from the image what does that mean:
1-he decided not to hide his personality anymore or at least in this particular case
2-he had been more real before and now decided to play
3-he is not the same person
I remember when CraigHack changed his avatar and said some absolutely new for him things, someone (Valeriy?) said that this is strange and should be checked. Maybe he thought that someone learned CraigHack's password? Anyway, I don't remember how did CraigHack act before the change of avatars but after that he acts in a way that hasn't changed... Which of the two personalities is the real one? My idea is that in the beginning he was himself but then he decided to show a more artistic personality and changed everything - avatar, way of saying things... Anyway, this is just a hypothesis and as Sha_Men said, we can't be sure. But we can try to learn the truth, can't we?
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Sha_Men
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posted November 14, 2001 02:48 PM |
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Truth...
Yes it's difficult...
You seem to be very enthuastic trying to solve mysteries behind some person...
It's very intriguing, I know...
I myself try to change my behaviour if I have notice that I have done something wrongly.
I can say that I hardly ever lie in reallife about myself. Then when I lie nobody knows that I'm lying as I'm so easy to believe.
And to lie the best you have to almost believe into lie yourself.
People trust me because they know I can be trusted and especially those who know me the best it's the truth.
It's mainly the same for me does others play some game or not. However I have been in too many forums and chats were people try to change their personality and are acting like little children. Maybe this isn't that kind of place...
Who knows...maybe Oldtimer ends up being 13 year old girl from Nebraska...
Should I care about it? We aren't going to dates or anything...
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