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posted November 27, 2007 10:46 PM |
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But Russia and Serbia's relationship is similar to Russia and Bulgaria's, or Russia and any other Slavic Orthodox country. It's more of an alliance against outside forces, especially Turkey.
Wrong again.  Dude, you should really try to get to know stuff you're talking about.
For some reason, Russia and Serbia always had utter mutual affinity, whereas they never had such 'brotherhood' with, for example, Bulgaria and similar, though we all fought against the Turks together.
We were on the same side in every war we ever fought (Principality of Montenegro even declared war on Japan to show support for Russia in the Russo-Japanese war  ) - except in the Cold War where we remained neutral for some reason.
After WW2, for instance, the Soviets controlled every other country around (Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia...) but Yugoslavia remained without direct USSR control. Which is remarkable.
So it's a pretty complex relationship. 
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posted November 28, 2007 10:58 AM |
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actually the russians controlled Romania only from 1947 till 1962 after that we reamained communists but on our own terms, if memory serves Ceasescu took up Tito's example after 1974, but then things got nasty in the 1980's and in 1989 the miracle happened (a free, democratic country)
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posted November 28, 2007 03:10 PM |
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Baklava LoL this is politic not love, not brother nations, not slavic culture. Russia, Serbia and Bulgaria are close in many aspects, but this is politic.
1. Russo-Turkish Wars (all are 10 + the WW1 they are 11) till 19th century Russia is the only free orthodox country.
2. Peter the Great (Tzar of Russia to 1725) aimed to make his capitol city - Petersburg the new "Constantinople" new capital of the orthodox culture. Not in all but in most of the Russo-Turkish Wars, Russia was protector of the orthodox people.
3. Long, long time Serbia was puppet of Austria-Hungary.
4. If you still cant get what I mean I'll give you an example:
1885 - the Serbo-Bulgarian War, before the war there was diplomatic and military preparation, all the "major powers" (only Germany was neutral to the conflict) in Europe chose side, which they would support with capitals or with diplomatic help.
Austria-Hungary, Italy, France and Britain were on serbian side. Later Russia chose the serbian side too, only day after this, Britain changed their side to bulgarian one. You may ask - why? Because UK is opponent of Russia and they don't want to go in one side with the russians.
Its pretty same even now. Probably the bulgarian parliament will vote to support future independent Kosovo, if you ask our folk they will vote for Kosovo as part of Serbia.
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posted November 28, 2007 03:39 PM |
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Baklava LoL this is politic not love, not brother nations, not slavic culture.
I know that there is no sentiment in politics.
But there is sentiment among people, and politicians depend on people. Are you aware how much support Putin will lose if he doesn't help Serbia?
Remember how bitter the Russians were during the NATO bombing.
So it's in Putin's best interests. Cause he probably isn't a sentimental man by nature
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posted November 28, 2007 04:22 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 16:28, 28 Nov 2007.
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He,he,he!in the balkans war and bosnian war,serbs killed 200.000 people of massacreing them just like in the WW2.And they initialy wanted to do the same with Kosovo and probably did but in lesser value so they could occupy Kosovo fill it with their own people and take it to them and let people escape and leave the cities for the Serbs.
So the evils are clearly the Serbs.
If Russia would come in a war it would looose against the USA like a 10 peasnts against 1000 black dragons.Russia's economy is at collapse and military too.They need everything else than war.
And I want to add that eitherwise everyone has the right of independence so why no independence?
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posted November 28, 2007 05:02 PM |
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200.000
That was proven to be a lie told by the Bosniak government.
The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia reported a total of about 102700 casualties on ALL sides in the war. Of that, 47360 were soldiers.
Civilian casualties were as follows:
Bosniaks&Croats together - 38000,
Serbs - 16700.
Taken into account that genocides upon Bosniaks were committed by Croatian forces too, it gets quite clear that only a complete idiot would compare the Serbs with Germany of WW2.
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And they initialy wanted to do the same with Kosovo and probably did but in lesser value so they could occupy Kosovo fill it with their own people and take it to them and let people escape and leave the cities for the Serbs.
Actually that is how Albanians got on Kosovo in the first place. Most Kosovo Albanians immigrated there in the other half of the 20th century; until then, Kosovo was mostly populated by Serbs.
When they were allowed to immigrate by the Yugoslavian government, they started buying out Serbian property and, as they gained a foothold there, eventually rioting and making the living conditions undesirable for non-Albanian population.
After that, the riots became harsher and harsher, forcing the remaining Serbs to either seek refuge elsewhere or remain living in inhumane conditions, with constant life threats among other things.
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If Russia would come in a war it would looose against the USA like a 10 peasnts against 1000 black dragons.
After seeing how much trouble USA has had with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and other small and meaningless countries, it doesn't seem like they could really easily squash something as Russia; so I believe war is in no one's interests.
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And I want to add that eitherwise everyone has the right of independence so why no independence?
I don't know. Ask the USA which ethnically cleansed their entire continent of native Americans to avoid such problems in the future, or ask Spain why they aren't giving independence to the Basques, or Great Britain why not to Scotland and North Ireland, or Bosnia to Republika Srpska.
But everybody insists that Kosovo is a special case. That means that if it gets independence, that can't be applied to other would-be independent regions in the world.
So if every country has the right to keep its own territory, why can't Serbia?
Anything else?
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posted November 28, 2007 05:34 PM |
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Edited by russ at 17:40, 28 Nov 2007.
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2. Peter the Great (Tzar of Russia to 1725) aimed to make his capitol city - Petersburg the new "Constantinople" new capital of the orthodox culture. Not in all but in most of the Russo-Turkish Wars, Russia was protector of the orthodox people.
Just FYI: Peter the Great was not a particularly religious type, which has caused him a lot of troubles with the extremely religious general Russian population of that time. In fact, I strongly suspect that he was an atheist, but openly admitting it would most likely put an end to his political career. The people at that time could tolerate a brutal and ruthless but deeply religious tyrant (Ivan Grozny aka Ivan the Terrible), but they would never accept an atheist Tzar. You are the first one I hear talking about a "new Constantinople" to promote the Orthodox culture. He never wanted to promote Russian or Orthodox culture, in fact, it was quite the opposite, he was fascinated with Europe and wanted to promote western culture in Russia.
The reasons for building St. Petersburg were:
1) Create a trade port to trade with Europe ("A Window to Europe" as Peter called it). Until then the only sea port Russia had to trade with Europe was Archangelsk, which was only reachable for a few months every year via a very long and difficult Arctic Ocean route.
2) Create a powerful navy base in the Northern Sea on a newly claimed land to well... make sure this land stays Russian despite Swedish ambitions
3) Create a clean and neat looking capital. In his opinion Moscow was too old, too messy, too dirty and too cluttered.
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posted November 28, 2007 05:52 PM |
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Edited by russ at 17:55, 28 Nov 2007.
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If Russia would come in a war it would looose against the USA like a 10 peasnts against 1000 black dragons.
Obviously there will NOT be a direct war between Russia and USA! If you really want a good analogy, compare it to a fully upgraded week 3 army lineup fighting someone who barely managed to buy out 2-3 stacks while both players have 0 resistance and 99 spellpower Armageddon
The conflict will come down to giving each other mean looks and sneakily placing the pins on each other's chair, then sitting down on your pin with a smile trying to look unhurt, secretly hoping that the pin you've placed will hurt a lot more.
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posted November 28, 2007 06:47 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 18:51, 28 Nov 2007.
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Ye his main idea was the westernisation (not sure for en spelling) he also was interest to start war with Turkey because in this time Russia need sea outlet on warmly sea.
Religious or not on this time Petersburg was one of the religious centres in Europe and the only free slavic culture centres.
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posted November 28, 2007 11:32 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 23:37, 28 Nov 2007.
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200.000
That was proven to be a lie told by the Bosniak government.
The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia reported a total of about 102700 casualties on ALL sides in the war. Of that, 47360 were soldiers.
Civilian casualties were as follows:
Bosniaks&Croats together - 38000,
Serbs - 16700.
Taken into account that genocides upon Bosniaks were committed by Croatian forces too, it gets quite clear that only a complete idiot would compare the Serbs with Germany of WW2.
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And they initialy wanted to do the same with Kosovo and probably did but in lesser value so they could occupy Kosovo fill it with their own people and take it to them and let people escape and leave the cities for the Serbs.
Actually that is how Albanians got on Kosovo in the first place. Most Kosovo Albanians immigrated there in the other half of the 20th century; until then, Kosovo was mostly populated by Serbs.
When they were allowed to immigrate by the Yugoslavian government, they started buying out Serbian property and, as they gained a foothold there, eventually rioting and making the living conditions undesirable for non-Albanian population.
After that, the riots became harsher and harsher, forcing the remaining Serbs to either seek refuge elsewhere or remain living in inhumane conditions, with constant life threats among other things.
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If Russia would come in a war it would looose against the USA like a 10 peasnts against 1000 black dragons.
After seeing how much trouble USA has had with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and other small and meaningless countries, it doesn't seem like they could really easily squash something as Russia; so I believe war is in no one's interests.
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And I want to add that eitherwise everyone has the right of independence so why no independence?
I don't know. Ask the USA which ethnically cleansed their entire continent of native Americans to avoid such problems in the future, or ask Spain why they aren't giving independence to the Basques, or Great Britain why not to Scotland and North Ireland, or Bosnia to Republika Srpska.
But everybody insists that Kosovo is a special case. That means that if it gets independence, that can't be applied to other would-be independent regions in the world.
So if every country has the right to keep its own territory, why can't Serbia?
Anything else?
If really you were right than ethics would not have logics.
Kosovo always belonged to their people that of course were not Serbs.
I can take many facts about it but why should I argue with a complete fool like you who begins insulting.
And as for USA really should russia take some ww2 tanks and fight F22 and Ambrams and B2's.Really only a fool would do that.Vietnam and whatever was a guierilla army.Direct confrontation would be suicidive.For russia ahh what was it with Anna Politovskaya and Alexander Litvinenko.Yeah Polonium 210 used to kill a individual!Wow a great country if you ask me.
And read some books and see that killing a human and put him into a hole and put over them earth just like killing animals,has nothing to do with killing of jews in WW2! "Little thinking and no thought".Is that your motto my friend!
Do not 'COMMENT' with me next time OK> Really why should istart arguing for nothing.
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posted November 29, 2007 12:02 AM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 00:04, 29 Nov 2007.
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Obviously there will NOT be a direct war between Russia and USA! If you really want a good analogy, compare it to a fully upgraded week 3 army lineup fighting someone who barely managed to buy out 2-3 stacks while both players have 0 resistance and 99 spellpower Armageddon
That's actually a very fitting comparison.
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So the evils are clearly the Serbs.
Non-argument of generalisation about a complete race of people. Are you trying to be taken seriously?
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posted November 29, 2007 01:40 PM |
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Do not 'COMMENT' with me next time OK
Unfortunately, no. Not ok. Since mods take some time before deleting racist comments such as yours, I'll take the opportunity to answer a few of your "facts". People like you provide me with rather good entertainment and I just love to respond to their ignorant, propaganda-induced posts.
It's sort of fun.
If you didn't want an argument with me, you shouldn't have posted that "the evils (me speek englandish gooder than you!) are clearly the Serbs" sentence here in the first place.
Now, to the rest of your post.
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If really you were right than ethics would not have logics.
I see.
Well, I'm not going to try understanding that. But I believe it probably made sense in your native language
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Kosovo always belonged to their people that of course were not Serbs.
Well, before the Serbs, Kosovo was populated by ancient Romans...  So I guess it belongs to Italy then?
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I can take many facts about it but why should I argue with a complete fool like you who begins insulting.
Excuse me? Are you being serious here?
I begin insulting?
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And as for USA really should russia take some ww2 tanks and fight F22 and Ambrams and B2's.Really only a fool would do that.Vietnam and whatever was a guierilla army.Direct confrontation would be suicidive.For russia ahh what was it with Anna Politovskaya and Alexander Litvinenko.Yeah Polonium 210 used to kill a individual!Wow a great country if you ask me.
I'll gleefully leave this for Russ to respond. I believe it will be his pleasure.
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And read some books and see that killing a human and put him into a hole and put over them earth just like killing animals,has nothing to do with killing of jews in WW2! "Little thinking and no thought".Is that your motto my friend!
1) While we're at reading, and WW2, please read this before further comparing of Serbs and Nazis.
2) I am quite obviously not your friend.
3) Actually, I don't even have to think at all while talking to you. It sort of rests my brain from everyday worries. And I could never lead my entire life over a single motto. But what's yours? "Tons of national hatred and mixing up exclamation and interrogation marks"?
Please humor me with another post.
Please.
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posted November 29, 2007 02:15 PM |
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I'm gonna have to do something that I will mostlikely regret. I will have to laugh at this.
Therefore I'm sorry for advance.
WW2 tanks?!?!?! Rolf!
What next? Triplanes?
Where have you been living?
Yugoslavia you say? Where's that? Why can't I see it on the map?
Isn't it kinda like...um...I don't know. Gone?
Now after this I must apologize.
I'm sorry about my actions.
I'll delete this if anyone asks. No actual insults meant. Just having the time of my life.
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posted November 29, 2007 11:22 PM |
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Edited by russ at 23:25, 29 Nov 2007.
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And as for USA really should russia take some ww2 tanks and fight F22 and Ambrams and B2's.Really only a fool would do that.Vietnam and whatever was a guierilla army.Direct confrontation would be suicidive.For russia ahh what was it with Anna Politovskaya and Alexander Litvinenko.Yeah Polonium 210 used to kill a individual!Wow a great country if you ask me.
I'll gleefully leave this for Russ to respond. I believe it will be his pleasure.
Nah, is it not worth responding to a village fool who belives everything he's told.
PS: LOL @ WW2 tanks comment. He's actually serious, hahahahahahah! T-34 for the win!!!!!
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posted November 29, 2007 11:27 PM |
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Just STFU noobs
If you children keep talking like this than we need a babysitter here.
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posted November 30, 2007 04:58 PM |
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Kosovo is serbian holy land,land of serbian kings.
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posted November 30, 2007 08:42 PM |
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Perun, just out of curiosity, where exactly does your name come? (I want to know if it is what I think it is.)
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posted November 30, 2007 11:36 PM |
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The Slavic supreme deity, the god of thunder and ruler of heavens...
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posted November 30, 2007 11:55 PM |
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Warning to Seraphim.
If u can't stand the fact others have a different opinion than you have, and neither can't stand if someone quotes your post to have a comment on that, you shouldn't make your opinion public.
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posted December 01, 2007 01:16 AM |
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Yap Perun is god of thunder,i love mitology of slaws.Rusians and Serbs,belive in him before Christianity.
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