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DarkShadow
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Cerise Princess
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posted February 11, 2008 05:55 PM |
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How it could?Kha beleth had ruled for...I dunno, really long atleast.If he didn't die what happened to him after H5 campaing's?He just disapeared?
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akul
Hired Hero
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posted February 11, 2008 05:57 PM |
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Edited by akul at 18:00, 11 Feb 2008.
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Er, Kha-Beleth didn't die in the original Heroes V. If he had, he wouldn't have returned in Dark Messiah now would he?
Thats why I wrote "presumed". He was probably weakened and needed to hide himself until he regains his powers or some Demon Lords might get too ambitious and try to usurp his crown. He woudn't be sovereign if he had IQ like Veyer has. Only few most loyal like Biara know that he is alive, but I doubt even she knows his location.
Also, the HoF scenario probably happened after H5std, like all Scenarios (besides the dwarven one) in that expansion.
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DarkShadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted February 11, 2008 05:59 PM |
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Uhhh,seem's like I really need to play DM...
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted February 11, 2008 05:59 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 18:05, 11 Feb 2008.
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I think you're a little confused here. The Sovereign is both a ruler and a prisoner: he can't leave Sheogh. It comes with the job. He can only manifest outside of Sheogh at certain times but can't actually do anything as such (well, apart from beating Leanna around), which is why he's not in HoF or TotE.
If you play Dark Messiah you'll see what happened to him and Isabel's son - you know, the whole reason he captured her? 
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Thats why I wrote "presumed".
In that context I took it as "we presume he died," not "everyone in Ashan presumed he died but we know otherwise."
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I doubt even she knows his location.
It's a given fact that he can't actually leave Sheogh.
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akul
Hired Hero
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posted February 11, 2008 06:05 PM |
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Edited by akul at 18:08, 11 Feb 2008.
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It's a given fact that he can't actually leave Sheogh.
He is hiding somewhere in Sheogh, for which I doubt is a small country. Veyer, his servant, considered him dead and tryed to become a new Sovereign which shows that he is presumed dead by fellow demons.
And he probably can leave Sheogh as all other demons, but can't stay outside for long, like all other demons.
Only demons summoned and controlled by sorcerers can live in Ashan for a long time, but I doubt that he would like idea of being controlled.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted February 11, 2008 06:09 PM |
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Veyer, his servant, considered him dead and tryed to become a new Sovereign which shows that he is presumed dead by fellow demons.
Nope. I guess you're under the impression that Veyer's custom mission took place during the HoF timeline. It didn't, it's set in the past directly after one of the previous Sovereigns died. Veyer did not try to become the Sovereign, he tried to locate the Demon destined to become the new one - Kha-Beleth - for his own personal gain.
That scenario can't have taken place during HoF's timeline because Veyer died in the original Heroes V - as did Erasial, presumably, who is also mentioned.
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akul
Hired Hero
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posted February 11, 2008 06:14 PM |
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Edited by akul at 18:15, 11 Feb 2008.
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Didn't Agrael just use Heart of the Griffin on Veyer? And the Heart does nothing else but Banish demons to Sheogh (as shocked Agrael found out)?
And since in scenario name of dead sovereign was never told, it is obvious that they meant Kha'Beleth, the only Sovereign of Hell and the only one, because of his power and age, who can be called by title alone. Else they would mention the name of the dead sovereign.
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Cepheus
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posted February 11, 2008 06:20 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 18:22, 11 Feb 2008.
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Didn't Agrael just use Heart of the Griffin on Veyer? And the Heart does nothing else but Banish demons to Sheogh (as shocked Agrael found out)?
Yes he did, but I am talking about the last mission of Raelag's campaign, where he actually did kill Veyer in battle - you know, when he met Isabel and Markal.
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And since in scenario name of dead sovereign was never told, it is obvious that they meant Kha'Beleth, the only Sovereign of Hell and the only one, because of his power and age, who can be called by title alone. Else they would mention the name of the dead sovereign.
...Nival are not famous for their continuity. But since Veyer announces multiple times that he's looking to find a new Sovereign, and that nothing contradicts this goal since he does find one, it's more than obvious that they meant an earlier Sovereign when they said "the Demon Sovereign is dead".
Also they have rarely if ever used Kha-Beleth's name in-game, referring to him as "the Sovereign" almost everywhere.
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the only Sovereign of Hell and the only one
Then what do you say to my eariler quote...
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Ur-Vesphaal is the former Demon capital, first the residence and later the mausoleum of the current Sovereign’s predecessor. When the Sovereign killed him and moved the seat of power away, Ur-Vesphaal was slowly taken over by what was left of the competing army -- succubae. Now it’s their town.
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DarkShadow
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Cerise Princess
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posted February 11, 2008 06:33 PM |
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But didn't Kha beleth slay other demon overlord's one by one?
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Darkavatar
Adventuring Hero
Overlord Divine
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posted February 11, 2008 07:08 PM |
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But didn't Kha beleth slay other demon overlord's one by one?
It´s surley the demon overloards that where the previouse demon sovereigns, and Kha-Beleth slayed them to rule sheogh for himself. He is probably one of the overloards himself.
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