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2ndHero
2ndHero


Famous Hero
Floppy Slayer
posted January 26, 2008 11:08 AM
Edited by 2ndHero at 12:30, 26 Jan 2008.

WIP [NCF] Crusader and upgrades

I'm planning to make Crusader and it's upgrades.
I'm working on the textures, the first one is ready.

Here are stats and abilities, feel free to suggest better ideas.

Crusader(tier 4)

Attack 8
Defence 13
Damage 5-15
Speed 5
Initiative 8
Health 52
Exp 60
Power 700

Abilities: Child of Light, Large Shield, Bravery

Battle Monk(tier 4 upgrade)

Attack 12
Defence 16
Damage 7-15
Speed 6
Initiative 8
Health 55
Exp 70
Power 750

Abilities: Child of Light, Random Blessing(4 times),Bravery,Death Stare

Templar Knight (tier 4 upgrade)

Attack 10
Defence 20
Damage 9-15
Speed 5
Initiative 7
Health 60
Exp 70
Power 750

Abilities: Child of Light, Cleave, Bravery, Large Shield, Taunt

EDIT: I edited some abilities to be less imba.
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radar
radar


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Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
posted January 26, 2008 11:14 AM

Oh noooo

Please, not again imba creature with 6827468274 abilities!

We have Templar already (*hint, hint* look who's posting that)
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2ndHero
2ndHero


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posted January 26, 2008 11:23 AM

Yes I know that you made Templar, I haven't got any better name for it, but if you have, post it. And as for the abilities, which should be removed? (Random Blessing and Child of light have to stay, others can be changed.)
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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


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posted January 26, 2008 11:57 AM
Edited by Nelgirith at 11:58, 26 Jan 2008.

Omg, and people shouted loud about my Heretic being overpowered with 14 Initiative and No melee penalty

For a level 4, all 3 definately have way too many abilities. I'd go for :

- Crusader : Child of Light, Large Shield, Bravery
- Battle Monk : Child of Light, Random Blessing(4 times), Bravery,  Blinding Attack
- Templar Knight : Child of Light, Cleave, Bravery, Large Shield

That's still very strong for level 4 imo, but already better than the killing machines you posted earlier

Non-upgraded units should have as few abilities as possible imo.

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2ndHero
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posted January 26, 2008 12:18 PM
Edited by 2ndHero at 12:20, 26 Jan 2008.

Image of crusader and upgrades:

@Nelgrith: I admit they are bit owerpowered. If they would be tier 5, would they be less imba?
And as for the abilities, I tried to think which upgrades suit crusaders best, but the result is a kiling machine.
EDIT: Blinding attack might be too much for Battle Monk, because templar knight has only cleave and large shield.
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radar
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Castle/Haven player
posted January 26, 2008 12:18 PM
Edited by radar at 12:20, 26 Jan 2008.

I'd remove Blinding Attack also. My Arcane Blades have it, Gnoll Mage's Sun Warrior and Planeswalker do too. Some originality.

edit: 2ndHero, are you playing Stronghold2 or Legends?
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2ndHero
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posted January 26, 2008 12:21 PM
Edited by 2ndHero at 12:35, 26 Jan 2008.

Maybe purge would fit Battle Monks better, or spellbook with cleansing?
EDIT:@radar: No, I don't have either, but I think I have played it long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...
I need help for the data files, I can send textures to the one who wants to help. I can't edit data well. Here are some things that have to be done.
-Battle Monk should use Shield Bash anim for random blessing.
-Maybe Halo effect for all of them

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Wulfstan8182
Wulfstan8182


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posted January 26, 2008 04:32 PM

wow, you have done some good retextures there. great work!
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radar
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Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
posted January 26, 2008 05:03 PM

Quote:
-Battle Monk should use Shield Bash anim for random blessing.



Change 'specability' tag in his Animset file to 'cast'.
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Wulfstan8182
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posted January 27, 2008 02:43 AM

the only thing i would change is that the brown one would be the non-upg and the red&white ones would be the upg. i would also change the textures on the squire one so he does not have the golden spots.

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sith_of_ziost
sith_of_ziost


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Scouting the Multiverse
posted January 27, 2008 04:21 AM

I disagree Wulfstan, a battle monk usually wears less armor, so it fits. And what gold spots?

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Gnoll_Mage
Gnoll_Mage


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posted January 27, 2008 01:52 PM

It does kinda fit, but the middle one looks like the downgrade all the same... maybe some effects or a modelinstance added to the monk would be good?
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Wulfstan8182
Wulfstan8182


Famous Hero
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posted January 27, 2008 04:06 PM

yeah, some effects! make his sword glow and his hand without the shield have a glow like Gnoll_Mage's planeswalker does. except make it golden. i think that will make him look more "magical"
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radar
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Castle/Haven player
posted January 27, 2008 04:35 PM

I'd try to assign him priest's cross somehow.
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2ndHero
2ndHero


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posted January 27, 2008 06:30 PM

Thanks for ideas, but I'm not good at data editing, but I think I have to learn while doing it. As for the effects, I need time for making them. Monk's face will be changed, maybe more beard...
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2ndHero
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posted January 27, 2008 07:28 PM

Here is image of the better face of Battle monk.:

When you put your mouse over a creature, this yellow effect appears, can this effect be applied permanently to a creature? It would look very cool.
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2ndHero
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posted January 28, 2008 08:35 AM

What is WoH?
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Gnoll_Mage
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posted January 28, 2008 12:11 PM

Priest's cross hanging from his other hand ought to be possible, if you want I might try to explain how to do that / try it out myself.
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2ndHero
2ndHero


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posted January 28, 2008 03:14 PM

If you have time you can do it, thanks. Do I send you the textures of Battle Monk?
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Fauch
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posted January 28, 2008 06:15 PM

why does the battle monk have the death stare ability?
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