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Strider_HL
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posted August 25, 2008 04:30 PM |
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Hmm, I thought that each hero can acquire goblins only once. Even if you sell and buy again this perk, only +2 defence changes but no more little bastards (unlike arcane excellence). If I'm correct then all he needed was several new orc heroes with some lvl5 to get play this joke. That means that for the 3rd time it wouldn't work as there are no more untainted orcs in tavern.
If I'm correct then he did real good management. The idea was great as well. That's what I'm looking in heroes - creativity and extraordinary solutions 
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traveling_oz
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 29, 2008 06:38 PM |
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That goblin thing is brilliant! I just checked out the skill wheel. Now all i gotta do is find a stack of warriors to join my necro hero with mentoring, grab some barbarian heroes at the tavern and party on down at the memory mentor!
10k skellie stacks rule again! Yippee!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 29, 2008 08:11 PM |
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I suppose we all have dreams 
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Zilonite
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posted August 29, 2008 09:58 PM |
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That goblin thing is brilliant! I just checked out the skill wheel. Now all i gotta do is find a stack of warriors to join my necro hero with mentoring, grab some barbarian heroes at the tavern and party on down at the memory mentor!
You gotta do one more thing, uninstall 3.1 patch 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 05, 2008 05:28 PM |
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Genesis-v1.2 Updated
Just some minor changes....
***Recent 1.2 Changes***
* Added 50 Spectres to GoldMines
* Changed the Water Garrison Guards- Since water elementals were nerfed.
* Removed All Seeing Crown
* Fixed the level 1 Creature Dwelling Island so players like Vangelis dont try and run there boat ON GROUND and thru the 1 way portal 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 24, 2008 09:31 PM |
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Just end my second game here. So far map is very poor. Week 5 with academy i cant build any arts. Its better if you start improve map Jinxer!
BTW if you are not pissed from me... Can i balance your map 
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted September 24, 2008 09:57 PM |
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the map is very rich in resources and gold. week 5 i can build 3 expert arties and 3 advanced. i agree though it should have some more gold and resources in the very beginning. other problems that are spotted are:
1) map is very in favor of those that have or easily getting logistics, academy for example loses a lot because it could have another skills in final battle. also it makes you choose logistics and that makes the game lose in freedom.
2) the map is in favor of those who use light magic (academy, sylvan). orcs and necromancers are in big disadvantage for that matter.
3) i see why to ban haggash but to leave ossir in? this is funny. under circumstances ossir becomes far better and more imba than haggash. just give him a ring of speed and try to beat him. totally unfair
in general the map smells like hourglass. not freedom to do things. you must follow certain rules or you are lost
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 24, 2008 10:22 PM |
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Haggash is more like Wyngaal, not Ossir ... Necro have raise dead from start, this is equal to resurrection spell ... About orcs - battle for garrison, i hit with 50 paladins in centaurus - 1 or 2 centaurus dead
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 24, 2008 10:30 PM |
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Just end my second game here. So far map is very poor. Week 5 with academy i cant build any arts. Its better if you start improve map Jinxer!
BTW if you are not pissed from me... Can i balance your map
The problem is Elit... you have only played Genesis twice.. and that is not near enough to be forming any opinions yet. The map has more then enough money. If you are a good scouter and get gold mine and 2nd town early.. you will be flooded with money. This map is a bit more complicated then standard maps that spoon feed you so its effortless to build every day.
Did you send scout to the water to get money early? I have scout on water by day 5-6. Thats 5-10k possible right there. Plus any artifacts that you find can be traded in for money.
And as Vangelis pointed out.. if you manage your resources getting all dwarven and mines early.. etc.. Every game I have played where my opponent was Acadamy.. they ALways had full mini arts on all units. And I thought Elit was the Acadamy Master???  just kidding.
Besides.. week5 is a bit rushed for genesis.. obviously it can be done that early... but there is and should always be risk to rushing things.. If you insist that you need to go week 5... then might have to sacrifice some mini arts. Acadamy is strongest town on Genesis.. just dont expect to be spood fed all your money and resources.. must earn your spoils thru out entire game.
Thanks for your comments Elit.. I always apprecite comments.. But please play the map 3-4 more times then we can talk more. There is infinite strategies and possibilties to be judging map after only 2nd game. I have played the map 10+ times.. and so far have yet to have 2 games played the same. I find a different strat or path or combination of things to do each game...
About money... here is an example.. in a recent game vs. Fiur.. I trained 120 Champions end of week 6 I believe ... I stole his sunken and traded all my worthless artifacts.. but obivoulsy the money is there... just have to go out and get it.
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted September 24, 2008 10:34 PM |
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I very much like the fact that there is no free treasure on this map, you need to earn the money you are going to spend.. and spend it wisely.
This map is absolutely nothing like hourglass, I have played 5 games or so on this now and none of those games have been remotely the same. There is of course a few moves or courses of action that you will attempt each game around the same time, but that will happen with any premade map when you know the goal you want to achieve by a certain day.
I have had no troubles with random resources on the map save for inferno build tree and at times dwarves upgrades. Gold is a bigger problem for me, the fight for the 2nd income for town 2 is a tough one, and the lack of build options in this town often makes it less of a priority. But the additional income is definately worthwhile. And when I have a set up I can take that town week 1 I surely will choose it over rare resource mines and level 3 dwelling. I feel there is a multitude of choices to make and many different paths to follow on this map.
The only thing I don't agree with is the placement of the tome of light magic, although I do feel those spells are somewhat nessecary for breaking through those garrison, there are other ways to do it also. And keep in mind that any town can use that tome, you don't need mastery in the magic skill to make the book usefull enough to keep you alive through garrisons.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 24, 2008 10:45 PM |
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Ty Jinxer for reply. I hav enough gold just not from sulfur/merc/gem/cristals. Maybe problems is because i build in both towns lvl 5.
For sure will play map few more time.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 24, 2008 11:06 PM |
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Cool! Good to hear!
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 25, 2008 11:26 AM |
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Jinxer start position n2 still have problems with teleport blockage by caravan ... Teleport become semi blocked, heroes from main town side can pass, but heroes from outside can not pass by teleport to main town. This create big problems to get to main hero reinforcements in time.
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted September 25, 2008 07:17 PM |
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Edited by diegis at 19:39, 25 Sep 2008.
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Just end my second game here. So far map is very poor. Week 5 with academy i cant build any arts. Its better if you start improve map Jinxer!
8 games here so far....
The map is very good!, but with Academy, yes...it's true; on week 5, very hard to get mini arts.
edit: why am I saying this?...because versus sylvan, you might need those arts, they might rush it with ossir for example...and so on...(i mean barbs)
For the rest, this map is my favorite so far.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 25, 2008 09:54 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 05:53, 26 Sep 2008.
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Sounds like the map is perfectly Balanced then.. Cause Acadamy in earlier verisons was unbeatable with the mini arts. So now it seems mini arts are easy to make unless you wanna rush things and build them week 5.. Otherwise I suggest sit back drink some coffee and build the rest of your mini arts week 6...
Dont forget that even if all the units have only a level 1 artifact of + 40% initiative mini art.. that can be a game breaker on its own. So even at week 6... IMO.. still should be hard to make level 3 arts on all units.
I played vs. Fraud ... Me Fortress( Runes cant be beat according to some) yet I was dead before i even got to move any of my guys. With his 40% initative mini arts... Runes arent any good if you got no army to cast them on
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fraudatio
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posted September 26, 2008 12:35 PM |
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I played vs. Fraud ... Me Fortress( Runes cant be beat according to some) yet I was dead before i even got to move any of my guys. With his 40% initative mini arts... Runes arent any good if you got no army to cast them on
Ahh, thanks for reminding me, you made my day I look forward to a rematch Jinxer, when i get some more time to play
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 27, 2008 04:23 PM |
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Its sure not "perfect balanced" Jinxer. Week 5 i have resurces to make 1 arts ONLY on 2 creatures. Week 6 will be not much different. Map is realy so poor for academy.
My 1st game i was dwarf and play map full blind. Totaly cant compare academy with dwarf on genesis 1.2 Second is very weak here.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 27, 2008 06:00 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 18:46, 27 Sep 2008.
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Keep in mind.. when I say perfect balance.. I mean that each town had its strengths and its DOMINANCE based on certain week. Acadamy is one of the strongest towns with Mini arts.. ANd the balance part come in to play with them.. in the fact that I didnt want them to beable to get full mini arts week 5... week6-7 is guarenteed full mini arts if you manage your resources correctly. You might have to sacrifice some builds in 2nd town.. but this map is all about choices. And making them at the correct times..
Acadamy becomes UNBALANCED and UNBEATABLE if you grant them the ability to make all full mini arts week 5... So by preventing an unbalanced situation, it thereby makes the town more balanced with others.
Trust me... you are just used to playing maps that spoon feed you all your resources.. with a bit of practice and fine tuning you will get better at it.
I do agree with you tho Elit.. that Sylvan/Ossir is very unbalanced... and hard to beat... but if I try to ban Ossir.. there would be a MOB !!!!
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 27, 2008 08:33 PM |
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Edited by Elit at 20:34, 27 Sep 2008.
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I do agree with you tho Elit.. that Sylvan/Ossir is very unbalanced... and hard to beat... but if I try to ban Ossir.. there would be a MOB !!!!
Dont worry i will smack Ossir next time 
So many new maps cant play all. ATM i'm play blind Zilo map Twilight World-v1.4 vs Tintagel and Insatiable SideKick-v1.2 vs Fred. Realy nice wave from good maps.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 27, 2008 10:52 PM |
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Elit - "Dont worry i will smack Ossir next time "
Will see, will see
Jinxer, for your anti sylvan attitude, Sylvan government put you in favorite enemy list, dwarfs are no more friends for us
From your comments in this forum results that only balanced faction in Heroes 5 is dwarfs ? I think dwarfs runes are the most balanced things in Heroes 5
Here is the replay Haven vs Sylvan Ossir , this is my second game as Haven, battleground Genesis, opponent - Ossir ... Please comment, i want to improve my Haven ... Tell my please in this replay Ossir is imbalanced ?
P.S. I start play Academy and Haven just to stop this lame cries about sylvan imbalances like - you play only Sylvan cos you want use imbalances in your advantage, etc ...
To defend my beloved Sylvan i ready to kick yours criers ass even with other races
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